Hi All: In a year and a half on this list, I have posted nineteen messages re finding Sarah J, GILES at St. Albans Herts, b. 1830. I have had far fewer replies. However, about two weeks ago a breakthrough occurred when I made contact with a direct descendant via a different list (non-Rootsweb). Today I received a scan of Sarah's marriage certificate from 1858, which by and large agreed with the transcription from the Parish Register in Portsea, Hampshire where this marriage took place. The possibly significant difference was the name of one witness - Elizabeth Giles is shown on the certificate, but the transcription, checked by a second person, said Elizabeth Luke. The marriage certificate is written in a single hand, so I can suspect it was a hand-transcribed copy of the register made soon after the event. Now by the time George GILES, the bride's father, was listed at this marriage, he was already on his second marriage. Listers from Portsmouth have helped with the 1851 census and found a George GILES age 50 with wife Maria age 35. No sign of Sarah, however. Next, I found the 1871 and 1881 entries for a George and Maria GILES in Portsea, which respectively show George as 64 and 75, and Maria as 50 and 60. These ages don't agree with 1851 though. George's birthplace is given as Newbury Berks and Reading Berks respectively, while Maria is from Portsmouth. I have found a George GILES b. 13 Feb 1807, chr. 15 Feb 1807 at Letcombe Regis, Berks parents Francis and Elizabeth. There is a marriage of George GILES and Maria JOHNSON 16 Oct 1843, St. Thomas Portsmouth, Hampshire. As Daniel JOHNSON is listed in the 1871 census, as Brother-in-law, it seems that this is the right marriage. While Daniel was chr. at St. Thomas, parents John and Mary, there is no sign of a Maria of the right age range. This all implies that George was previously married, so I searched for George GILES and Elizabeth marriages and found George GILES m. Elizabeth BLAKE at West Tytherly, Hampshire, on 15 Dec 1828. This would make Sarah likely their first child and Elizabeth (the witness) could be their second. Elizabeth BLAKE was chr. 12 Jan 1807 at West Tytherly, parents Augustine and Hannah. (Note, Sarah could have been b. 1832, so it is possible she was the second daughter.) With this scenario in mind, immediately after their marriage they must have moved to St. Albans where Sarah was born in 1830-32. Some time after that or possibly before, they had a daughter Elizabeth. Between then and 1843, Elizabeth (first wife) died. Possibly at that time, George and his daughter Sarah moved to Portsmouth, where his occupation in 1858 was "Office Clerk." In 1871 he was a Pensioner (Naval) so possibly his work was at a Navy establishment in Portsmouth. I now have a photo of William Robert Willcocks and Sarah's grave, but it reveals only her death date January 6 1907, age 75 years (which puts her birth at 1832.) This I hope has painted a background for my question. I need two things looked up, please. 1) 1841 census for St. Albans for a family comprising George GILES b. Letcombe Regis, or possibly Newbury or Reading, Berkshire age 34 (rounded to 30), Elizabeth GILES b. West Tytherly, Hampshire, also age 34(30), Sarah GILES dau. age 8-11, and Elizabeth GILES abt. 10 or less. 2) A baptism record for Sarah Jemima GILES somewhere in St. Albans in 1829 or early 1830 through 1832. Not, however, one written in invisible ink! She gave her birthplace as St. Albans in 1861, 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses, and probably on 1871 as well, but I now know that the Colchester Workhouse - where William was the Master from 1867 - census record 1871 is lost. Now, I realize the 1841 census for St. Albans is probably not indexed, but I would appreciate some information - anything anyone has - on which black hole this family disappeared into when they arrived in St. Albans! Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT USA.