Sorry if I'm stating the over-obvious, or if someone else has already covered this, but.... Hertford is a town - the county town of the county Hertfordshire. So perhaps he was born in Hertford, Hertfordshire ?? Gerald and Joan Hickey <hickeygj@iprolink.co.nz> wrote: In the 1861 census John Ives, then 36 years of age, gave his birthplace as Hertford. Unfortunately he did not name a town or village. However from his birth certificate he gave his father's name as William and who was a farmer. By 1861 John had married Hannah Platt, daughter of Richard Platt, who was born in Finchley, and had moved to Bermondsey and had five children. Has anyone an idea as to where I might search for these ancestor's birthplaces. Joan from Auckland, New Zealand. ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail