Thanks to all the help I've received from this list I've now made considerable progress with my RUDD family and I've managed to put together a tentative tree for John Bray RUDD'S family. As John is proving rather elusive in the 1851 census I don't at the moment have proof that he is part of the family. I wondered if anyone had access to the 1841 census for Sandon. If so I would be most grateful to have the details of the RUDD family who were probably living at Red Hill. Also I wondered if there are any marriage indexes for Hertfordshire so that I can find the marriage of William RUDD in about 1813. This is what the family looks like at the moment: William RUDD, born in about 1781 in Preston, Hertfordshire. He had the following children: 1. William RUDD, baptised on 16 October 1814 at Red Hill Independent, Sandon, Hertfordshire. In the 1871 census he was a wheelwright living at the Bucks Head Public House in Little Wymondley with his wife Elizabeth, 64, who was born in Reed, and his niece Emily, 13, who was born in Waltham Abbey. In 1881 his widowed daughter Sarah A WEST, 39, born in Little Wymondley was also living in the household together with a grandson Sarah E WEST, born 1871 in Stevenage. 2. Sarah RUDD, born about 1816 in Sandon. 3. Ann RUDD, baptised on 18 May 1818 at Red Hill Independent, Sandon. 4. Philip RUDD, baptised on 21 July 1822 at Red Hill Independent, Sandon. 5. Isaac RUDD, baptised on 21st July 1822 at Red Hill Independent, Sandon. In 1871 and 1881 he was an unmarried wheelwright living at the Public House, Red Hill, Sandon, with his unmarried sisters Sarah, Charlotte and Hephzibah. 6. Charlotte RUDD, born in 1824 in Sandon. 7. John Bray RUDD, born about 1826 in Sandon. He married Isabel Hunter in 1858 in Stepney, London. 8. Hephzibah RUDD, born about 1829 in Sandon. Best wishes Debbie Kennett