Hi Pattti My Elizabeth Kingsley was born about 1807 in Reed, Hertfordshire. In the 1871 and 1881 censuses she was living in Little Wymondley. Do you have her anywhere in your tree? Do you know the names of her parents? Best wishes Debbie In a message dated 25/03/2005 13:28:15 GMT Standard Time, ps015p6402@blueyonder.co.uk writes: Hi Debbie I have Kingsleys in Sandon, can you tell me which Kingsley family your Elizabeth came from (the one who married William Rudd). My co-researcher and I have Kingsleys going back to Andrew KINGSLEY 1575 in Hitchin. Regards Patti