Hello Debbie , Try for the marriage then you will get the fathers name then look that up. Name: Rudd, John Bray & Isabel Hunter Record Type: Marriages Year: December 1858 District: Stepney, London Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 990 He probably had apprenticeship papers in Islington. Otherwise try street map http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: <DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: [Herts] John Bray RUDD >I wonder if anyone might be able to help with a baptism record for my great > great grandfather John Bray RUDD. He was born about 1826. According to > the > 1871 census he was born in Red Hill, Hertfordshire. In the 1881 census he > gave > his place of birth as Landown, Hertfordshire. I can't find Landown > anywhere > on Genuki or in my road atlas but there does seem to be a small village > called > Redhill which is near Wallington, Baldock and Letchworth. > > John moved to London where he married Isabel HUNTER on 27th November 1858 > in > Stepney. At the time of the marriage he was a licensed victualler but by > 1871 he was working as a wheelwright. > > I don't know how accessible the early Hertfordshire censuses are and I > don't > know when John moved to London but if anyone is able to locate him in > the > 1851 census I would also be most grateful. > > Debbie Kennett > Berkshire > Hertfordshire names include: > PIGG, WOLFENDEN/WOOLFENDEN, AMER and ANDREWS > Also researching CRUWYS worldwide > >