Hi Peter, I wasn't sure whether the Eliza Page from London was yours. I added it simply because the age and birthplace were possibles. Happy hunting, Cheers Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy and Peter" <petjud52@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] new member interests > Maureen, > > Below I have sent my notes on Mary Page nee Wiltshire and as you will > pretty much match you email, thank you. I am curious why you think Eliza > was in Islington, St Mary,London working as a servant for John and > Catherine Stewardson > > ( Eliza Page 21 years, servant, born Tewin Herts.) I guess this is from > the 1861 census. > > Perhaps Alfred and FREDrick are the same person. > > 1851 Joshua's first wife Mary is still a Page and shown as a needlewoman > and wife living at Poplar's Green, Tewin. Her family has increased, Eliza > Rebecca (Joshua's daughter) is now ten years old but there are two > illegitimate children, Emma 4 and Fred 2. By 1861 Mary had moved to > Burnham Green, Datchworth, is calling herself a widow, has added George, > Sarah and Alice to the family and her trade is charwoman or tea lady. Her > family did not stop growing, with William baptised in that year . Ponder > her relationship with Joshua's parents, William and Jane, who are now both > 76 years old. She is living in the same village having borne seven > children in his name well after he had left for Van Diemen's Land. In 1866 > Joshua's father passed away, his mother the following year and Mary has > her last child baptised Maria. The Datchworth Parish Baptism Register > highlighted Mary Page's plight with the following entries; > > March 21st 1858 > > Baptised Sarah Anne, illegitimate daughter of Mary Page, whose > > husband is under sentence of Transportation. > > > August 27th 1859 > > Alice, illegitimate daughter of Mary Page, the husband has not > > returned from transportation. > > > February 10th 1861 > > William, illegitimate son, husband still away. > > > June 10th 1867 > > Maria, illegitimate daughter, husband in Australia. > > > Needlewoman 1851 Charwoman 1861 > > Census 1861 > > Burnham Green:Mary Page head of household widow 38 - Charwoman b. Tewin, > Emma 15 servant b. Tewin, Alfred 11 Ag lab, George 9 scholar, Sarah 4 > scholar b. Datchworth, Alice 5 scholar b. Datchworth. > > William Roy or Ray lodger 31 Ag Lab b. Datchworth. > > William Roy/Ray maybe the father of the children born after Joshua was > transported ? Note William was born 1861, at this time, thus William > Roy/Ray is most likely the father, another child Maria is born 1867. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Player" <player6@bigpond.com> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [HRT] new member interests > > >> Hi Peter >> >> Here is Eliza on the 1852 Census. She appears to be with her mother and >> siblings: >> >> 1851 Census Hertfordshire >> >> Registration District: Hertford >> Ecclesiastical Parish: Rochester >> Civil Parish: Tewin >> >> Surname: Page >> >> Mary 32 years, Married, Born Tewin Herts, Occ Needle Woman >> Eliza 10 years, Born Hertingfordbury, Scholar >> Emma 4 years, Born Hertingfordbury, At Home >> Frederick 2 years, Born Hertingfordbury, At Home >> >> They were living with Mary's parents at Poplars Green: >> >> Surname: Wiltshir >> >> Richard 61 years Married, Born Tewin Herts, Occ Farm Labourer >> Maria 60 years Wife, Born Hertingfordbury, House Wife >> William 24 years Son, Unmarried, Born Tewin, Occ Farm Labourer >> Emma 18, Dau, Unmarried, Born Tewin, At Home >> Charles 14, Son, Unmarried, Born Tewin, Farm Labourer >> >> In 1861 Mary was living in Barnham Green, Datchworth Herts >> >> Mary 38 years Widower, Charwoman >> Emma 15 years Dau, Servant >> Alfred 11 years, Son, Ag Labourer, born Tewin >> George 9 years, Scholar, born Tewin >> Sarah 7 years, Scholar, born Datchworth >> Alice 5 years, Scholar, born Datchworth >> William Ray, 31 Years Lodger (????) Ag Labourer born Tewin >> >> >> I think your Eliza was in Islington, St Mary,London working as a servant >> for >> John and Catherine Stewardson >> >> Eliza Page 21 years, servant, born Tewin Herts. >> >> Not sure what happened to young Frederick, there is a Frederick Page aged >> 10 >> living with another Page family in Datchworth but it records him as being >> their son... probably related. So may be poor Freddy died. >> >> Nothing jumps out for the 1871 Census so maybe the women had married or >> Mary >> had remarried. If you check FreeBMD or the IGI Index, you might be able >> to >> track them. >> >> Cheers Maureen >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judy and Peter" <petjud52@bigpond.net.au> >> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:27 AM >> Subject: [HRT] new member interests >> >> >>> >>> >>> Greetings to all >>> My name is Peter Page and my interests are centred around Joseph aka >>> Joshua Page born in Datchworth c1815 married Mary Wiltshire 1839 >>> Hertingfordbury and fathered Eliza Rebecca Page who was baptised in >>> Tewin >>> 1840. Joshua was transported to VDL (Tasmania) in 1842 for stealing from >>> his employer a tea merchant - thus making him a tea leaf ( thief ) in >>> the >>> real sense. The merchant name was Edward Rayment of Hertford. >>> >>> I have documented Joshua's descendeants in Australia but have never >>> discoveredc the fate of his English born daughter Elizabeth Rebecca >>> Page. >>> >>> Is ther anybody aware of this family? >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >>> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >>> >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the >> message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other >> readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. >> >> > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >