Hi Valerie, Try this website and do a search for Webb - you will find Richard Holden Webb and his wife Frances. They are talking about a property the family owned. I looked in Family Search and found the marriage for Richard Holden Webb and Frances but nothing for Benjamin Cherry and Frances Orme. By the way, how did you find out the information from the Gentleman's Magazine? Is it online? Regards Diana Re: According to Gentleman's Mag, Frances ORME [sister of Rev. Robert ORME] married Benjamin CHERRY [son of the late alderman of Hertford] at Essenden in 1791. However the Essenden church records state that Frances ORME married Richard Holden WEBB in 1797. In his 1843 will, Rev Robert ORME refers to Richard Holden WEBB as his bro in law. Can anyone help me sort this out. Regards Valerie Saari

Thank you, Listers, for your help and suggestions. "Hertfordshire 1731 - 1800 as recorded in Gentleman's Magazine" was found using the Google Book Search feature. Some of the books are searchable on line. For others there is a find the nearest library using your postal code. Some of your answers indicated the problem, if Frances were a widow, wouldn't she be remarried under her married name, CHERRY, rather than her maiden name ORME? Frances came from a reasonably influencial family, her grandfather was a viscount, her uncle a marquess, her mother an honourable, her father retired from the Cold stream Guards. Would they have thought the son of a dead [under iffy circumstances] butcher/cattle dealer/alderman a poor choice and annulled the marriage [tho a bit late after its been in the papers]. How could I find out? Thank you, also, for the reminder to check the CHERRY wills. There were several generations of Bens. 0ne who fell/jumped into his own moat [1785] is supposed to haunt his old neighbourhood. Another died 1817 after being Hertford's town clerk for 21 years. Richard WEBB and Mary are no relation. Starting with Richard Holden WEBB, this line all have 2 names, i.e. Frances's grandson Robert Orme WEBB. Thanks again for your thoughts. Valerie Saari . ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Cherry/Orme/Webb > Hi Valerie, > > Try this website and do a search for Webb - you will find Richard Holden > Webb and his wife Frances. They are talking about a property the family > owned. > > I looked in Family Search and found the marriage for Richard Holden Webb > and > Frances but nothing for Benjamin Cherry and Frances Orme. > > By the way, how did you find out the information from the Gentleman's > Magazine? Is it online? > > Regards > > Diana > > Re: According to Gentleman's Mag, Frances ORME [sister of Rev. Robert > ORME] > married Benjamin CHERRY [son of the late alderman of Hertford] at > Essenden > in 1791. > However the Essenden church records state that Frances ORME married > Richard > Holden WEBB in 1797. In his 1843 will, Rev Robert ORME refers to Richard > Holden WEBB as his bro in law. > Can anyone help me sort this out. > > Regards > Valerie Saari > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A thought ... Assuming Frances was the widow of Benjamin CHERRY, it is possible that she remarried under her maiden name to avoid press and local comment about the circumstances of her previous husband's death. Probably a good idea, especially if there were stories about ghosts, etc., to start another round of local gossip. After all, there is no legal objection to using a maiden name providing there is no intent to deceive her new husband. Michael Walsby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Saari" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Cherry/Orme/Webb > > Thank you, Listers, for your help and suggestions. > > "Hertfordshire 1731 - 1800 as recorded in Gentleman's Magazine" was found > using the Google Book Search feature. Some of the books are searchable on > line. For others there is a find the nearest library using your postal > code. > > Some of your answers indicated the problem, if Frances were a widow, > wouldn't she be remarried under her married name, CHERRY, rather than her > maiden name ORME? Frances came from a reasonably influencial family, her > grandfather was a viscount, her uncle a marquess, her mother an honourable, > her father retired from the Cold stream Guards. Would they have thought the > son of a dead [under iffy circumstances] butcher/cattle dealer/alderman a > poor choice and annulled the marriage [tho a bit late after its been in the > papers]. How could I find out? > > Thank you, also, for the reminder to check the CHERRY wills. There were > several generations of Bens. 0ne who fell/jumped into his own moat [1785] > is supposed to haunt his old neighbourhood. Another died 1817 after being > Hertford's town clerk for 21 years. > > Richard WEBB and Mary are no relation. Starting with Richard Holden WEBB, > this line all have 2 names, i.e. Frances's grandson Robert Orme WEBB. > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > Valerie Saari > > > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:19 AM > Subject: Re: [HRT] Cherry/Orme/Webb > > >> Hi Valerie, >> >> Try this website and do a search for Webb - you will find Richard Holden >> Webb and his wife Frances. They are talking about a property the family >> owned. >> >> I looked in Family Search and found the marriage for Richard Holden Webb >> and >> Frances but nothing for Benjamin Cherry and Frances Orme. >> >> By the way, how did you find out the information from the Gentleman's >> Magazine? Is it online? >> >> Regards >> >> Diana >> >> Re: According to Gentleman's Mag, Frances ORME [sister of Rev. Robert >> ORME] >> married Benjamin CHERRY [son of the late alderman of Hertford] at >> Essenden >> in 1791. >> However the Essenden church records state that Frances ORME married >> Richard >> Holden WEBB in 1797. In his 1843 will, Rev Robert ORME refers to Richard >> Holden WEBB as his bro in law. >> Can anyone help me sort this out. >> >> Regards >> Valerie Saari >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >