As a complete aside, does anyone remember the excellent detective series "Pie in the Sky" starring Richard Griffiths as the policeman turned chef. It's always being re-run on one cable channel or another. The bow-fronted restaurant from the series was situated in the High Street of Hemel old town backing on to the register office and church. It's in a dip behind some railings and is very easy to pick out if you're familiar with the series. It continued trading as a restaurant for some time after the series ended but, then became a shop. I don't know if it's still open. The odd Hemel location crops up in the series too - if you know what you're looking for. Elaine Saunders Author - A Book About Pub Names www.completetext.com