Hi all, Regarding my post re: John Cutler and Ann Bull's marriage, I have just found on Family Search a marriage for Ann Bull born 1752 of Hemel Hempstead married to John Butler born 1748 of Hemel Hempstead on 11 Oct 1773 at Hemel Hempstead. Can anyone verify which is the true marriage please? Thanks, Diana

From: [email protected] > Regarding my post re: John Cutler and Ann Bull's marriage, I have just > found on Family Search a marriage for Ann Bull born 1752 of Hemel > Hempstead married to John Butler born 1748 of Hemel Hempstead on > 11 Oct 1773 at Hemel Hempstead. > > Can anyone verify which is the true marriage please?> I should point out that the Hemel Hempstead marriage has an A batch number, indicating it is a private submission by an LDS member? These are unreliable until formally checked with an official source, i.e. the parish registers of HH. You should also regard with suspicion the alleged "about 1752" birth date given for Ann Bull. These entries are notoriously unreliable, being arrived at merely by deducting 25 years from a marriage date for a male and 21 years for a female - a practice which the LDS Church persists in, to the annoyance of some of us who prefer much better evidence! I note that the Bull-Cutler marriage was at Tring and has an M batch number, making it more reliable as an officially extracted entry from the parish registers (clicking on Source Call establishes this). However, you cannot assume that this was the same marriage!!! Ann Bull is not an entirely uncommon name and it is perfectly possible there were two of them, one of whom married a John Butler at Hemel Hempstead and the other of whom wed a John Cutler at Tring. I know it seems rather a coincidence if both were on the same day, but coincidences abound in genealogy. Obviously, Tring and Hemel Hempstead are two entirely separate and different parishes, so you will either have to hope somebody has access to both sets of registers or hire a researcher to go to the Hertfordshire Record Office. Maybe the Herts RO has its own research service, so look on their website. However, either way it will cost you money. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

HALS offers a research service for £7 per 15 mins.. which I guess would cover the 2 lookups here? > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:33:13 +0000> Subject: Re: [HRT] Cutler or is it Butler?> > From: [email protected]> > > Regarding my post re: John Cutler and Ann Bull's marriage, I have just> > found on Family Search a marriage for Ann Bull born 1752 of Hemel> > Hempstead married to John Butler born 1748 of Hemel Hempstead on > 11 Oct 1773 at Hemel Hempstead. > > > > Can anyone verify which is the true marriage please?>> > I should point out that the Hemel Hempstead marriage has an A batch > number, indicating it is a private submission by an LDS member? These > are unreliable until formally checked with an official source, i.e. the parish > registers of HH. You should also regard with suspicion the alleged "about > 1752" birth date given for Ann Bull. These entries are notoriously > unreliable, being arrived at merely by deducting 25 years from a marriage > date for a male and 21 years for a female - a practice which the LDS > Church persists in, to the annoyance of some of us who prefer much > better evidence!> > I note that the Bull-Cutler marriage was at Tring and has an M batch > number, making it more reliable as an officially extracted entry from the > parish registers (clicking on Source Call establishes this).> > However, you cannot assume that this was the same marriage!!! Ann > Bull is not an entirely uncommon name and it is perfectly possible there > were two of them, one of whom married a John Butler at Hemel > Hempstead and the other of whom wed a John Cutler at Tring. I know it > seems rather a coincidence if both were on the same day, but > coincidences abound in genealogy.> > Obviously, Tring and Hemel Hempstead are two entirely separate and > different parishes, so you will either have to hope somebody has access > to both sets of registers or hire a researcher to go to the Hertfordshire > Record Office. Maybe the Herts RO has its own research service, so look > on their website. However, either way it will cost you money.> > --> Roy Stockdill> Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html> > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about."> OSCAR WILDE> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the next generation of Windows Live http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live