Gay Thank you for that suggestion. I had also wondered if there had been more than one marriage. However I know that Charlotte VIPERS' husband William FAULKNER died in Nov 1873 which was a few months before his daughter Harriet was born. So I would have expected to find at least some of the family together in 1871. Harriet's parents are given as William FAULKNER deceased and Charlotte FAULKNER formerly VIPERS, and the 1881 has the family there minus William rather as predicted. What is frustrating is that I can't even find Charlotte VIPERS, who I think would have been born about 1830-1836 Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gay O'Neill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:15 AM Subject: [HRT] VIPERS; FAULKNER >I have been having a very good look and your family is not easily found. > However I did find this family in 1871 with similar names of the children > and birthdates and in the right order. > Except parents different. So I am wondering if Margaret died, then John > remarried, then John died all before 1881 census - again not easy to find. > 1871 England Census William Faulkner Age: 10 > > born abt 1861 Relation: Son > > Father's Name: John > > Mother's Name: Margaret > > Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England > > > Civil Parish: St John > > Ecclesiastical parish: St John > > County/Island: London > > Country: England > > > Registration district: St Olave Southwark > > Sub-registration district: St John Horsleydown > > Household Members: Name Age > > Anna Faulkner 1 > > Frederick Faulkner 6 > > John Faulkner 33 > > Margaret Faulkner 39 > > Minnie Faulkner 4 > > William Faulkner 10 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Gadsby" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:38 AM > Subject: [HRT] VIPERS; FAULKNER > > >>I have just subscribed to this list in the hope that someone can throw >>light on a long-standing problem I have had. >> >> I have a birth certificate for Harriet FAULKNER (b. 1874 Marylebone) >> which >> shows her parents to have been William FAULKNER (deceased) and Charlotte >> FAULKNER formerly VIPERS. I am interested in Harriet's brother William >> FAULKNER junior, b. abt 1862 in Chelsea according to census entries. I >> am >> presuming his mother was also Charlotte VIPERS but can find no proof. >> >> The 1881 census shows Charlotte FAULKNER as a widow living at 8 Little >> Church Street Marylebone with her children as follows: >> >> 1881 census >> Street address: 8 Little Church St >> Civil Parish: St Marylebone >> Registration district: Marylebone >> Sub-registration district: Christchurch >> >> Charlotte Faulkner Head Wid 45 plain needleworker b. Hertfordshire >> (abt 1836) >> William Faulkner son U 19 Shunter on railway b. Chelsea, >> Middlesex (abt 1862) >> Frederick Faulkner son U 16 Van Guard G W R b. Marylebone (abt >> 1865) >> Annie Faulkner dau U 12 scholar b. Marylebone (abt 1865) >> Harriet Faulkner dau U 7 scholar b. Marylebone (abt 1865) >> >> Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 154; Folio: 27; Page: 45; Line: ; >> GSU roll: 1341034. >> >> I have been unable to follow this family back before this and I wonder if >> anyone can tell me if a record of the marriage between Charlotte VIPERS >> and William FAULKNER is recorded in Hertfordshire. I suspect it is more >> likely to be in the Middlesex area but have no idea where to start >> searching. Nothing on Free BMD looks right. >> >> I have discovered that the VIPERS surname is almost completely restricted >> to the Hertford area in 1881 which is interesting and seems to fit the >> census information. >> >> An suggestions gratefully received. >> >> Chris

Hi Chris, Try looking for them under the name FACKENDEW IN 1871. I think the actual spelling is FALKENDER. Fred looks more like Frank + there's a rather original spelling of Chelsea but the rest seems a pretty good fit. Regards, Glen. Chris Gadsby <[email protected]> wrote: Gay Thank you for that suggestion. I had also wondered if there had been more than one marriage. However I know that Charlotte VIPERS' husband William FAULKNER died in Nov 1873 which was a few months before his daughter Harriet was born. So I would have expected to find at least some of the family together in 1871. Harriet's parents are given as William FAULKNER deceased and Charlotte FAULKNER formerly VIPERS, and the 1881 has the family there minus William rather as predicted. What is frustrating is that I can't even find Charlotte VIPERS, who I think would have been born about 1830-1836 Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gay O'Neill" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:15 AM Subject: [HRT] VIPERS; FAULKNER >I have been having a very good look and your family is not easily found. > However I did find this family in 1871 with similar names of the children > and birthdates and in the right order. > Except parents different. So I am wondering if Margaret died, then John > remarried, then John died all before 1881 census - again not easy to find. > 1871 England Census William Faulkner Age: 10 > > born abt 1861 Relation: Son > > Father's Name: John > > Mother's Name: Margaret > > Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England > > > Civil Parish: St John > > Ecclesiastical parish: St John > > County/Island: London > > Country: England > > > Registration district: St Olave Southwark > > Sub-registration district: St John Horsleydown > > Household Members: Name Age > > Anna Faulkner 1 > > Frederick Faulkner 6 > > John Faulkner 33 > > Margaret Faulkner 39 > > Minnie Faulkner 4 > > William Faulkner 10 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Gadsby" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:38 AM > Subject: [HRT] VIPERS; FAULKNER > > >>I have just subscribed to this list in the hope that someone can throw >>light on a long-standing problem I have had. >> >> I have a birth certificate for Harriet FAULKNER (b. 1874 Marylebone) >> which >> shows her parents to have been William FAULKNER (deceased) and Charlotte >> FAULKNER formerly VIPERS. I am interested in Harriet's brother William >> FAULKNER junior, b. abt 1862 in Chelsea according to census entries. I >> am >> presuming his mother was also Charlotte VIPERS but can find no proof. >> >> The 1881 census shows Charlotte FAULKNER as a widow living at 8 Little >> Church Street Marylebone with her children as follows: >> >> 1881 census >> Street address: 8 Little Church St >> Civil Parish: St Marylebone >> Registration district: Marylebone >> Sub-registration district: Christchurch >> >> Charlotte Faulkner Head Wid 45 plain needleworker b. Hertfordshire >> (abt 1836) >> William Faulkner son U 19 Shunter on railway b. Chelsea, >> Middlesex (abt 1862) >> Frederick Faulkner son U 16 Van Guard G W R b. Marylebone (abt >> 1865) >> Annie Faulkner dau U 12 scholar b. Marylebone (abt 1865) >> Harriet Faulkner dau U 7 scholar b. Marylebone (abt 1865) >> >> Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 154; Folio: 27; Page: 45; Line: ; >> GSU roll: 1341034. >> >> I have been unable to follow this family back before this and I wonder if >> anyone can tell me if a record of the marriage between Charlotte VIPERS >> and William FAULKNER is recorded in Hertfordshire. I suspect it is more >> likely to be in the Middlesex area but have no idea where to start >> searching. Nothing on Free BMD looks right. >> >> I have discovered that the VIPERS surname is almost completely restricted >> to the Hertford area in 1881 which is interesting and seems to fit the >> census information. >> >> An suggestions gratefully received. >> >> Chris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message