As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard Sent: 10. september 2010 11:13 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi ,, this is fascinating and for sure why he doesn`t appear in the 1851 census because he is in India , and perhaps in Gibraltar for the 1861 .... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter@health.sdu.dk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths The brother of one of my family served in a far humbler capacity in the 96th Foot. Here is a resume of what I learned: The 96th Foot was responsible for providing detachments to transport convicts to New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania). From 1839-49 they served as prison guards. The regimental HQ was at Windsor and Parramatta NSW then from 1843 at Launceston VDL. In 1849 they arrived in Calcutta and were in India until 1854, returning home to the UK before deploying to Gibraltar for garrison service for rather less than a year in 1856-7. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 09 September 2010 18:29 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, glad you are pleased........you can also go on the London Gazette and just put in Edwin Griffiths , and you will be able to chase him right through his career from his start in 1813 ........and googling 48th and 96th regts shows that both regts were for a time in Australia , can`t now remember which , think it was the 48th was in Australasia from 1817 - 1824...........and you could get the Colonel`s will from the York Probate office as you know his date of death , I think they still charge £5 , google York probate office for all post 1858 wills . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. > > I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for > Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same > there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles > journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. > > I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had > found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the > initials E but no details of rank. > > I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote > my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate > from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of > the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot > (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we > don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony > and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the > women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she > was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter > of one of the officers. > > I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a > lot to work my way through! > > I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in > response to someone who had searched for info without results and was > surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm > convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge > database and it is always worth looking again. > > I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good > results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first > name) and 96th Foot. > > Again, many thanks. > > Susan > > > > > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Edwin is on his own in the 1841 census in Cheshunt so Eliza Ann clearly between the birth of the second daughter in 1821 and 1841 , pity the marriage is in Parramatta , certs can be got from NSW... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter@health.sdu.dk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard Sent: 10. september 2010 11:13 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi ,, this is fascinating and for sure why he doesn`t appear in the 1851 census because he is in India , and perhaps in Gibraltar for the 1861 .... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter@health.sdu.dk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths The brother of one of my family served in a far humbler capacity in the 96th Foot. Here is a resume of what I learned: The 96th Foot was responsible for providing detachments to transport convicts to New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania). From 1839-49 they served as prison guards. The regimental HQ was at Windsor and Parramatta NSW then from 1843 at Launceston VDL. In 1849 they arrived in Calcutta and were in India until 1854, returning home to the UK before deploying to Gibraltar for garrison service for rather less than a year in 1856-7. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 09 September 2010 18:29 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, glad you are pleased........you can also go on the London Gazette and just put in Edwin Griffiths , and you will be able to chase him right through his career from his start in 1813 ........and googling 48th and 96th regts shows that both regts were for a time in Australia , can`t now remember which , think it was the 48th was in Australasia from 1817 - 1824...........and you could get the Colonel`s will from the York Probate office as you know his date of death , I think they still charge £5 , google York probate office for all post 1858 wills . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. > > I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for > Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same > there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles > journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. > > I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had > found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the > initials E but no details of rank. > > I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote > my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate > from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of > the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot > (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we > don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony > and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the > women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she > was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter > of one of the officers. > > I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a > lot to work my way through! > > I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in > response to someone who had searched for info without results and was > surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm > convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge > database and it is always worth looking again. > > I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good > results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first > name) and 96th Foot. > > Again, many thanks. > > Susan > > > > > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last night I followed up your IGI findings of the daughters of Edwin and Eliza Ann Griffiths and found two sons as well: Edwina Eliza Ann chr Dec 1819 in Cheshunt, England Emily Griffiths chr Sept 1821 in Cheshunt, England Edwin Arthur Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England Frederick Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England (presumably twins) It's possible that there were more children between1821 and 1832. I may have missed some on the IGI (I was going cross eyed after a while) or they may have been born anywhere that the father, Edwin Griffiths served. I looked through all the censuses for any sign of any of the family (but not for Emily), together or apart and found nothing. Emily married Robert Bush, a Capt in her father's regiment, in 1843 in Tasmania. They are still absent from the UK in 1851 but I have them in the censuses from 1861 onwards. If Emily and Robert were back here from his army service by 1861, I would have thought the older Edwin Griffiths would have been too. From the age given on that death certificate index, he would have been 69 in 1861 but he might have been one of those who couldn't settle after such a long army career around the world and kept travelling for some years. Susan On 10/09/2010 11:00, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi, Edwin is on his own in the 1841 census in Cheshunt so Eliza Ann > clearly between the birth of the second daughter in 1821 and 1841 , pity > the marriage is in Parramatta , certs can be got from NSW... > >

Thanks Anthony. I was following the same line of thought last night, but in England. I found the death of an Elizabeth Griffiths, registered in Ware (the registration district for Cheshunt) in 1844, followed by a marriage for an Edwin Griffiths in 1848, with a Margaret Johnson on the same page, but it was in Shropshire. However, I'm inclined to think that your finding makes more sense, especially with no sign of any of the family on the UK censuses. I reckon the two sons of Edwin and Eliza Ann stayed in Australia or wherever Edwin next went on his army service and never came back to the UK, or not until they were very much older. Susan On 10/09/2010 10:55, Anthony M. Carter wrote: > As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony >