Hi, I tried to find Edwin in the 1861 when it appeared that he was at Chatham , but got nowhere , and then when the Probate was found it said that he had previously been of Cheltenham, a favourite retiring place for officers , and couldn`t find him there either , what on earth could he have been mistranscribed as ??? we know almost to the day when he was somewhere , and he should be in both 1851 and 61 census ... Thanks Simon for the ancestry clue , this is the right one and explains entirely that Margaret MacKensie was b 1802 Bishopsgate, London, m Henry Brooks, 1825, married Edwin Griffiths , Parramatta May 1843 ........it also says that Margaret died in NSW in 1867, and interestingly that the family arrived in NSW three days before Christmas in 1822, on the Admiral Cockburn . Of Margaret and Edwin`s three children , Jane Augusta b 1845 seems to have married someone called Lees, and to have died 1891 . This doesn`t have anything further for George, b 1844 , nor for Georgina Marianne. The Australian owner of the The Norton Tribe is Patrick , on witelite@adam.com.au and the tree was last updated in Dec 2009... the Mackenzies are a very interesting family . There doesn`t however seem to be anything more about the origins of Col Edwin . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter@health.sdu.dk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths >I think we are on the right track. The 1863 marriage of Georgina Griffiths >and John Llewelyn Roberts is on FreeBMD. Then I used the FamilySearch >Record Search Pilot and got a date 21 July 1863 and a place St John Chatham >Kent. Now Harts Army List of about this date (a whole slew of them just >posted on TheGenealogist) shows Edwin was still Paymaster of the 96th >(after about 50 years of service!!) and guess what? they were quartered at >Chatham. Anthony > > ________________________________________ > From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard > [elizgh@btinternet.com] > Sent: 11 September 2010 12:24 > To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > > Hi, the Griffiths have ballooned from a simple query into a most > interesting discussion , and now there seem to be three possible Margaret > , > 2nd wife , of Col Edwin , possibly Margaret Johnson m 1844 ?Shropshire , > possibly Margaret Macormister, and then Margaret Mackenzie and then > Margaret > Brooks .........I also looking in the NSW bapts and couldn`t find a child > of > the post 1843 marriage to Margaret Brooks , but only looked at NSW , > didn`t > think to look at Tasmania .... > So apart from the new found George b Australia 1844, is there any > further sighting of the earlier Edwina Eliza Ann b Cheshunt , 1819 ? or > the > two little boys Edwin Arthur and Frederick ? and yes why the big gap > between 1821 and 1832 or were Edwin and Frederick born between those two > dates but only christened in 1832 when Col Edwin was on leave ? > Is anyone able to check the burial register of Cheshunt between > 1819 > and 1833 ? > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> > To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > > >> Thanks Anthony. >> >> I was following the same line of thought last night, but in England. I >> found the death of an Elizabeth Griffiths, registered in Ware (the >> registration district for Cheshunt) in 1844, followed by a marriage for >> an Edwin Griffiths in 1848, with a Margaret Johnson on the same page, >> but it was in Shropshire. >> >> However, I'm inclined to think that your finding makes more sense, >> especially with no sign of any of the family on the UK censuses. I >> reckon the two sons of Edwin and Eliza Ann stayed in Australia or >> wherever Edwin next went on his army service and never came back to the >> UK, or not until they were very much older. >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/09/2010 10:55, Anthony M. Carter wrote: >>> As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza >>> Ann >>> Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the >>> marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, >>> Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th >>> Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. 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Complete mystery why none of them are on the 1861 census. I did an address search on the two places mentioned at Probate and they were not there either!!! There is a George Griffiths of right age born Australia (no specifics) about 1844; in the 1871 census he is a retired army officer and in the 1881 census married and an insurance agent. Not enough here to guarantee he is Georgina's twin. Have only scribbled notes but one of these records was Hornsey. Ancestry trees can be full of pitfalls but for what its worth one of them claims Jane Augusta died Maida Vale 13 February 1891 although it does not mention a Lees marriage. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 11 September 2010 17:21 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, I tried to find Edwin in the 1861 when it appeared that he was at Chatham , but got nowhere , and then when the Probate was found it said that he had previously been of Cheltenham, a favourite retiring place for officers , and couldn`t find him there either , what on earth could he have been mistranscribed as ??? we know almost to the day when he was somewhere , and he should be in both 1851 and 61 census ... Thanks Simon for the ancestry clue , this is the right one and explains entirely that Margaret MacKensie was b 1802 Bishopsgate, London, m Henry Brooks, 1825, married Edwin Griffiths , Parramatta May 1843 ........it also says that Margaret died in NSW in 1867, and interestingly that the family arrived in NSW three days before Christmas in 1822, on the Admiral Cockburn . Of Margaret and Edwin`s three children , Jane Augusta b 1845 seems to have married someone called Lees, and to have died 1891 . This doesn`t have anything further for George, b 1844 , nor for Georgina Marianne. The Australian owner of the The Norton Tribe is Patrick , on witelite@adam.com.au and the tree was last updated in Dec 2009... the Mackenzies are a very interesting family . There doesn`t however seem to be anything more about the origins of Col Edwin . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter@health.sdu.dk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths >I think we are on the right track. The 1863 marriage of Georgina Griffiths >and John Llewelyn Roberts is on FreeBMD. Then I used the FamilySearch >Record Search Pilot and got a date 21 July 1863 and a place St John Chatham >Kent. Now Harts Army List of about this date (a whole slew of them just >posted on TheGenealogist) shows Edwin was still Paymaster of the 96th >(after about 50 years of service!!) and guess what? they were quartered at >Chatham. Anthony > > ________________________________________ > From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard > [elizgh@btinternet.com] > Sent: 11 September 2010 12:24 > To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > > Hi, the Griffiths have ballooned from a simple query into a most > interesting discussion , and now there seem to be three possible Margaret > , > 2nd wife , of Col Edwin , possibly Margaret Johnson m 1844 ?Shropshire , > possibly Margaret Macormister, and then Margaret Mackenzie and then > Margaret > Brooks .........I also looking in the NSW bapts and couldn`t find a child > of > the post 1843 marriage to Margaret Brooks , but only looked at NSW , > didn`t > think to look at Tasmania .... > So apart from the new found George b Australia 1844, is there any > further sighting of the earlier Edwina Eliza Ann b Cheshunt , 1819 ? or > the > two little boys Edwin Arthur and Frederick ? and yes why the big gap > between 1821 and 1832 or were Edwin and Frederick born between those two > dates but only christened in 1832 when Col Edwin was on leave ? > Is anyone able to check the burial register of Cheshunt between > 1819 > and 1833 ? > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> > To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > > >> Thanks Anthony. >> >> I was following the same line of thought last night, but in England. I >> found the death of an Elizabeth Griffiths, registered in Ware (the >> registration district for Cheshunt) in 1844, followed by a marriage for >> an Edwin Griffiths in 1848, with a Margaret Johnson on the same page, >> but it was in Shropshire. >> >> However, I'm inclined to think that your finding makes more sense, >> especially with no sign of any of the family on the UK censuses. I >> reckon the two sons of Edwin and Eliza Ann stayed in Australia or >> wherever Edwin next went on his army service and never came back to the >> UK, or not until they were very much older. >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/09/2010 10:55, Anthony M. Carter wrote: >>> As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza >>> Ann >>> Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the >>> marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, >>> Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th >>> Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony >>> >> >> >> >> Hertfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Deepest apologies for being dismissive about Lees. Take a gander at the marriage register from St Marylebone (on Ancestry). Jane Augusta Griffiths married William Munning Lees, Major in the Army, on 8 April 1869. Her Father Edwin Griffiths Lt Col, His Father John Campbell Lees Knight. Married by J. L. Roberts, Vicar of Spratton, her brother in law. Among the witnesses were her sister G. M. Roberts and one surmises her brother G. Griffiths. :-) Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 11 September 2010 17:21 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, I tried to find Edwin in the 1861 when it appeared that he was at Chatham , but got nowhere , and then when the Probate was found it said that he had previously been of Cheltenham, a favourite retiring place for officers , and couldn`t find him there either , what on earth could he have been mistranscribed as ??? we know almost to the day when he was somewhere , and he should be in both 1851 and 61 census ... Thanks Simon for the ancestry clue , this is the right one and explains entirely that Margaret MacKensie was b 1802 Bishopsgate, London, m Henry Brooks, 1825, married Edwin Griffiths , Parramatta May 1843 ........it also says that Margaret died in NSW in 1867, and interestingly that the family arrived in NSW three days before Christmas in 1822, on the Admiral Cockburn . Of Margaret and Edwin`s three children , Jane Augusta b 1845 seems to have married someone called Lees, and to have died 1891 . This doesn`t have anything further for George, b 1844 , nor for Georgina Marianne. The Australian owner of the The Norton Tribe is Patrick , on witelite@adam.com.au and the tree was last updated in Dec 2009... the Mackenzies are a very interesting family . There doesn`t however seem to be anything more about the origins of Col Edwin . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter@health.sdu.dk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths >I think we are on the right track. The 1863 marriage of Georgina Griffiths >and John Llewelyn Roberts is on FreeBMD. Then I used the FamilySearch >Record Search Pilot and got a date 21 July 1863 and a place St John Chatham >Kent. Now Harts Army List of about this date (a whole slew of them just >posted on TheGenealogist) shows Edwin was still Paymaster of the 96th >(after about 50 years of service!!) and guess what? they were quartered at >Chatham. Anthony > > ________________________________________ > From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard > [elizgh@btinternet.com] > Sent: 11 September 2010 12:24 > To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > > Hi, the Griffiths have ballooned from a simple query into a most > interesting discussion , and now there seem to be three possible Margaret > , > 2nd wife , of Col Edwin , possibly Margaret Johnson m 1844 ?Shropshire , > possibly Margaret Macormister, and then Margaret Mackenzie and then > Margaret > Brooks .........I also looking in the NSW bapts and couldn`t find a child > of > the post 1843 marriage to Margaret Brooks , but only looked at NSW , > didn`t > think to look at Tasmania .... > So apart from the new found George b Australia 1844, is there any > further sighting of the earlier Edwina Eliza Ann b Cheshunt , 1819 ? or > the > two little boys Edwin Arthur and Frederick ? and yes why the big gap > between 1821 and 1832 or were Edwin and Frederick born between those two > dates but only christened in 1832 when Col Edwin was on leave ? > Is anyone able to check the burial register of Cheshunt between > 1819 > and 1833 ? > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> > To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > > >> Thanks Anthony. >> >> I was following the same line of thought last night, but in England. I >> found the death of an Elizabeth Griffiths, registered in Ware (the >> registration district for Cheshunt) in 1844, followed by a marriage for >> an Edwin Griffiths in 1848, with a Margaret Johnson on the same page, >> but it was in Shropshire. >> >> However, I'm inclined to think that your finding makes more sense, >> especially with no sign of any of the family on the UK censuses. I >> reckon the two sons of Edwin and Eliza Ann stayed in Australia or >> wherever Edwin next went on his army service and never came back to the >> UK, or not until they were very much older. >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/09/2010 10:55, Anthony M. Carter wrote: >>> As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza >>> Ann >>> Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the >>> marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, >>> Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th >>> Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony >>> >> >> >> >> Hertfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message