Hi ,, this is fascinating and for sure why he doesn`t appear in the 1851 census because he is in India , and perhaps in Gibraltar for the 1861 .... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter@health.sdu.dk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths The brother of one of my family served in a far humbler capacity in the 96th Foot. Here is a resume of what I learned: The 96th Foot was responsible for providing detachments to transport convicts to New South Wales and Van Diemen’s Land (Tasmania). From 1839-49 they served as prison guards. The regimental HQ was at Windsor and Parramatta NSW then from 1843 at Launceston VDL. In 1849 they arrived in Calcutta and were in India until 1854, returning home to the UK before deploying to Gibraltar for garrison service for rather less than a year in 1856-7. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 09 September 2010 18:29 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, glad you are pleased........you can also go on the London Gazette and just put in Edwin Griffiths , and you will be able to chase him right through his career from his start in 1813 ........and googling 48th and 96th regts shows that both regts were for a time in Australia , can`t now remember which , think it was the 48th was in Australasia from 1817 - 1824...........and you could get the Colonel`s will from the York Probate office as you know his date of death , I think they still charge £5 , google York probate office for all post 1858 wills . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. > > I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for > Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same > there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles > journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. > > I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had > found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the > initials E but no details of rank. > > I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote > my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate > from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of > the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot > (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we > don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony > and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the > women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she > was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter > of one of the officers. > > I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a > lot to work my way through! > > I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in > response to someone who had searched for info without results and was > surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm > convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge > database and it is always worth looking again. > > I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good > results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first > name) and 96th Foot. > > Again, many thanks. > > Susan > > > > > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I'm trying to locate Cock St., Hitchin. It appears in the 1841 and 1851 censuses but not after that and the maps on Old-maps.co.uk date from the 1880s. In 1841, my 2g grandfather Rev John Broad and family were on Bancroft, which is where I understood the manse was (and where they are in 1851). But in the margin, it says Cock St. and so it's unclear to me which address they were at in 1841. Looking at the census sheets around, it looks as if it should be somewhere not far from Bancroft and/or Golden Square and/or Portmill Lane, but that's as close as I can get. Does any one have access to an older map or some other reference document that might help? Thanks Alison Vancouver

Harts Army List 1840 under 96th Regiment of Foot. Footnote attached to Paymaster Edwin Griffiths: Paymaster Griffiths served the campaigns of 1813 and 14 in the Peninsula, Served also in the American war, including the capture of Washington; battle before Baltimore, and the several operations on the coast. Present during the several attacks upon the enemy's lines before New Orleans. In the batteries upon the banks of the Mississippi at the blowing up of a man-of-war schooner. Taking of Fort Boyer. Plenty of history here. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Morris [susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk] Sent: 09 September 2010 20:05 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Thanks Anthony. Yes, I have an Ancestry subscription. I've got a lot to work through now, to establish that we have got the right body. The website about the 96th Foot, http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/96thfoot.htm does list two Griffiths, both with the initial E, but without rank, so it looks promising. Susan - feeling a lot more positive than I did last night about the Griffiths connection On 09/09/2010 18:46, Anthony M. Carter wrote: > If you have a subscription to Ancestry you will find Lieutenant Colonel Edwin Griffiths. He left Not above £4000, a tidy sum in 1867. His widow was Margaret Griffiths so if we have the right body he must have remarried. Anthony > > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fascinating. Thank you. My book shelves used to be full of geography books but they're rapidly being replaced by history books. I think it would have been much better if we'd been taught history at school as it affected our ancestors rather than nations. Not sure how it could have been done but, IMO, much more interesting. Susan On 09/09/2010 21:30, Anthony M. Carter wrote: > Harts Army List 1840 under 96th Regiment of Foot. Footnote attached to Paymaster Edwin Griffiths: > Paymaster Griffiths served the campaigns of 1813 and 14 in the Peninsula, Served also in the American war, including the capture of Washington; battle before Baltimore, and the several operations on the coast. Present during the several attacks upon the enemy's lines before New Orleans. In the batteries upon the banks of the Mississippi at the blowing up of a man-of-war schooner. Taking of Fort Boyer. > Plenty of history here. Anthony > >

Results for: Lucas, British Isles Father: Henry , Mother: Charlotte batch Number: C138282 International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 2 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. CHARLOTTE <LUCAS> - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 01 JUN 1789 Pampisford, Cambridge, England 2. ELIZABETH ANN <LUCAS> - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 22 SEP 1790 Pampisford, Cambridge, England I believe your Elizabeth Ann Lucas is the one above born Pamisford, Cambridge Name: Elizabeth Ann Lucas Gender: Female Birth Date: abt 1790 Christening Date: 22 Sep 1790 Christening Place: Pampisford, Cambridgeshire, England Father's Name: Henry Lucas Mother's Name: Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gay O'Neill Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 6:03 PM To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi Susan, This is what I can find Father: Edwin , Mother: Elizabeth Batch Number: C072251 1. EDWINA ELIZA ANN GRIFFITHS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 18 DEC 1819 Cheshunt, Hertford, England 2. EMILY GRIFFITHS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 19 SEP 1821 Cheshunt, Hertford, England EDWIN GRIFFITHS Marriages: Spouse: ELIZA ANN LUCAS Marriage: 30 JUL 1816 Saint Paul Covent Garden, Westminster, London, England Batch No.: M001571 Lieutenant Colonel Edwin Griffiths Burial 11 Jul 1867 Age: 75 Estimated birth year: abt 1792 Death Date: 11 Jul 1867 Parish: All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green Borough: Kensington and Chelsea County: Middlesex Name: Edwin Griffiths Estimated birth year: abt 1792 Year of Registration: 1867 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 75 District: Marylebone (1837-1901) County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 316 In 1841 census I find Edwin Griffiths only Name: Edwin Griffiths Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Civil parish: Cheshunt Hundred: Hertford Hertfordshire Occupation: Army Edwin Griffiths 40 Not the rest of his family...... Regards Gay -----Original Message----- From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Morris Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 8:57 AM To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, plus researching Bush, Griffiths, Lucas, Buckworth-Herne, Beverley. Hello I'm new to this list, normally inhabiting the Wiltshire one. I wonder if SKS has the baptismal records for Cheshunt and could please do a look up for me. I'm looking for Emily Adria Griffiths or Adrin Emily Griffiths who, according to the censuses was born in Cheshunt c 1822. She married Robert Bush in Tasmania. I'm waiting for her marriage certificate from Tasmania. Their index has her as Adrin Emily Griffiths but the censuses have her as Emily Adria (Bush). I've also seen her as Emily Adrin (Bush). On family papers her father was referred to as Colonel Griffiths; her mother was Elizabeth Lucas. Elizabeth was the daughter of Henry Lucas and Charlotte Buckworth-Herne. I know quite a bit about the Buckworth-Herne family but nothing about Henry Lucas or Colonel Griffiths. So far I have nothing other than the census to locate her in Cheshunt as place of birth. Her son, John Ernest Bush married Mabel Katherine Beverley and settled in Berkhamstead. If anyone else is researching any of these families, I'd be interested to hear from them. Susan Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, I left out the key words: National Probate Register. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Morris [susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk] Sent: 09 September 2010 18:08 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the initials E but no details of rank. I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter of one of the officers. I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a lot to work my way through! I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in response to someone who had searched for info without results and was surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge database and it is always worth looking again. I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first name) and 96th Foot. Again, many thanks. Susan Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you have a subscription to Ancestry you will find Lieutenant Colonel Edwin Griffiths. He left Not above £4000, a tidy sum in 1867. His widow was Margaret Griffiths so if we have the right body he must have remarried. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Morris [susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk] Sent: 09 September 2010 18:08 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the initials E but no details of rank. I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter of one of the officers. I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a lot to work my way through! I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in response to someone who had searched for info without results and was surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge database and it is always worth looking again. I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first name) and 96th Foot. Again, many thanks. Susan Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The brother of one of my family served in a far humbler capacity in the 96th Foot. Here is a resume of what I learned: The 96th Foot was responsible for providing detachments to transport convicts to New South Wales and Van Diemen’s Land (Tasmania). From 1839-49 they served as prison guards. The regimental HQ was at Windsor and Parramatta NSW then from 1843 at Launceston VDL. In 1849 they arrived in Calcutta and were in India until 1854, returning home to the UK before deploying to Gibraltar for garrison service for rather less than a year in 1856-7. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 09 September 2010 18:29 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, glad you are pleased........you can also go on the London Gazette and just put in Edwin Griffiths , and you will be able to chase him right through his career from his start in 1813 ........and googling 48th and 96th regts shows that both regts were for a time in Australia , can`t now remember which , think it was the 48th was in Australasia from 1817 - 1824...........and you could get the Colonel`s will from the York Probate office as you know his date of death , I think they still charge £5 , google York probate office for all post 1858 wills . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. > > I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for > Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same > there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles > journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. > > I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had > found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the > initials E but no details of rank. > > I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote > my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate > from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of > the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot > (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we > don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony > and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the > women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she > was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter > of one of the officers. > > I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a > lot to work my way through! > > I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in > response to someone who had searched for info without results and was > surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm > convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge > database and it is always worth looking again. > > I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good > results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first > name) and 96th Foot. > > Again, many thanks. > > Susan > > > > > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Anthony. Yes, I have an Ancestry subscription. I've got a lot to work through now, to establish that we have got the right body. The website about the 96th Foot, http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/96thfoot.htm does list two Griffiths, both with the initial E, but without rank, so it looks promising. Susan - feeling a lot more positive than I did last night about the Griffiths connection On 09/09/2010 18:46, Anthony M. Carter wrote: > If you have a subscription to Ancestry you will find Lieutenant Colonel Edwin Griffiths. He left Not above £4000, a tidy sum in 1867. His widow was Margaret Griffiths so if we have the right body he must have remarried. Anthony > >

Thanks Elizabeth. It's so much easier now I know I'm looking for Edwin Griffiths rather than just somebody Griffiths. And yes, I'll get his will. Susan On 09/09/2010 17:29, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi, glad you are pleased........you can also go on the London > Gazette and just put in Edwin Griffiths , and you will be able to chase him > right through his career from his start in 1813 ........and googling 48th > and 96th regts shows that both regts were for a time in Australia , can`t > now remember which , think it was the 48th was in Australasia from 1817 - > 1824...........and you could get the Colonel`s will from the York Probate > office as you know his date of death , I think they still charge £5 , google > York probate office for all post 1858 wills . > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Morris"<susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> > To:<eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > > >> Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. >> >> I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for >> Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same >> there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles >> journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. >> >> I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had >> found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the >> initials E but no details of rank. >> >> I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote >> my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate >> from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of >> the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot >> (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we >> don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony >> and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the >> women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she >> was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter >> of one of the officers. >> >> I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a >> lot to work my way through! >> >> I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in >> response to someone who had searched for info without results and was >> surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm >> convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge >> database and it is always worth looking again. >> >> I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good >> results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first >> name) and 96th Foot. >> >> Again, many thanks. >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hertfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susan, This is what I can find Father: Edwin , Mother: Elizabeth Batch Number: C072251 1. EDWINA ELIZA ANN GRIFFITHS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 18 DEC 1819 Cheshunt, Hertford, England 2. EMILY GRIFFITHS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 19 SEP 1821 Cheshunt, Hertford, England EDWIN GRIFFITHS Marriages: Spouse: ELIZA ANN LUCAS Marriage: 30 JUL 1816 Saint Paul Covent Garden, Westminster, London, England Batch No.: M001571 Lieutenant Colonel Edwin Griffiths Burial 11 Jul 1867 Age: 75 Estimated birth year: abt 1792 Death Date: 11 Jul 1867 Parish: All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green Borough: Kensington and Chelsea County: Middlesex Name: Edwin Griffiths Estimated birth year: abt 1792 Year of Registration: 1867 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 75 District: Marylebone (1837-1901) County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 316 In 1841 census I find Edwin Griffiths only Name: Edwin Griffiths Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Civil parish: Cheshunt Hundred: Hertford Hertfordshire Occupation: Army Edwin Griffiths 40 Not the rest of his family...... Regards Gay -----Original Message----- From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Morris Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 8:57 AM To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, plus researching Bush, Griffiths, Lucas, Buckworth-Herne, Beverley. Hello I'm new to this list, normally inhabiting the Wiltshire one. I wonder if SKS has the baptismal records for Cheshunt and could please do a look up for me. I'm looking for Emily Adria Griffiths or Adrin Emily Griffiths who, according to the censuses was born in Cheshunt c 1822. She married Robert Bush in Tasmania. I'm waiting for her marriage certificate from Tasmania. Their index has her as Adrin Emily Griffiths but the censuses have her as Emily Adria (Bush). I've also seen her as Emily Adrin (Bush). On family papers her father was referred to as Colonel Griffiths; her mother was Elizabeth Lucas. Elizabeth was the daughter of Henry Lucas and Charlotte Buckworth-Herne. I know quite a bit about the Buckworth-Herne family but nothing about Henry Lucas or Colonel Griffiths. So far I have nothing other than the census to locate her in Cheshunt as place of birth. Her son, John Ernest Bush married Mabel Katherine Beverley and settled in Berkhamstead. If anyone else is researching any of these families, I'd be interested to hear from them. Susan

Hi, glad you are pleased........you can also go on the London Gazette and just put in Edwin Griffiths , and you will be able to chase him right through his career from his start in 1813 ........and googling 48th and 96th regts shows that both regts were for a time in Australia , can`t now remember which , think it was the 48th was in Australasia from 1817 - 1824...........and you could get the Colonel`s will from the York Probate office as you know his date of death , I think they still charge £5 , google York probate office for all post 1858 wills . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. > > I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for > Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same > there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles > journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. > > I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had > found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the > initials E but no details of rank. > > I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote > my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate > from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of > the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot > (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we > don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony > and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the > women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she > was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter > of one of the officers. > > I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a > lot to work my way through! > > I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in > response to someone who had searched for info without results and was > surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm > convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge > database and it is always worth looking again. > > I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good > results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first > name) and 96th Foot. > > Again, many thanks. > > Susan > > > > > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the initials E but no details of rank. I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter of one of the officers. I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a lot to work my way through! I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in response to someone who had searched for info without results and was surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge database and it is always worth looking again. I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first name) and 96th Foot. Again, many thanks. Susan

Hi Helen I was interested in your email as my Bonfield ancestors come from the Weston area of Herts. and all the names you mentioned are connected to my Bonfields in some way. I would love some more information regarding the Bennett family history. Thanks Kathy Myles Victoria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Waugh" <hwa76519@bigpond.net.au> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] BENNETT Herts >I have BENNETT family history from Hertfordshire, mainly Weston, > Stevenage,St albans etc areas. Other surnames > connected are SWAIN, DEARMAN, HUMBERSTONE, CANNON, just to name a few. > Helen > NSW

At 03:24 AM 10/09/2010, Helen wrote: >I have BENNETT family history from Hertfordshire, mainly Weston, >Stevenage,St albans etc areas. Hi Helen, thanks for the reply. It's probably a little unfortunate that my Bennetts were not born in Herts but moved there from Westminster and Chelsea, so won't be many, if any around these days. Mine were residenced in Hatfield and Watford. So, no connection, sad that. Always keep on, they can't hide forever 8-) Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi, IGI has an entry for Emily Grffiths, chr 19 Sept 1821 at Cheshunt, dau of Edwin Griffiths and Eliza Ann . She has a sister Edwina Eliza Ann chr 1819 also Cheshunt . Edwin and Eliza Ann Lucas are married in 1816 at St Paul`s Covent Garden, Westminster . The 1841 census for Cheshunt shows an Edwin Griffiths, 40, Army , No ( not born in county ) with a live in staff of four women and one man servant . No sign of Elizabeth Ann his wife . His burial is recorded in All Souls , Kensal Green , and he is Lt Col Edwin Griffiths, of 6 Nottingham Place, St Marylebone, and he was buried 11July 1867 aged 75. I cannot find him in the 1851 or in the 1861 census . A list of the Officers of the Army etc ( a google books search) shows 96th regt Paymaster, Edwin Griffiths, from 11Jan 1833 from Lt 12 Nov 1813 . His earlier career seems to have started with the Royal Aritllery Drivers , on to 2nd Veteran Battalion , to the 48th regt and then to the 96th , so I would guess he is not wealthy and can only gain promotion by merit rather than purchase . However in the I of W records via A2A, there is a reconveyance of annuity, 2 Sept 1818 , which is for £100 secured on rectories of Gatcombe and St Lawrence, original grant dated 1812 , and assignment to Elizabeth Ann Lucas, 6 Aug 1814 : " Consid: £655 ." and agreed presumably between Edwin Griffiths, of Clifford Place, Herefordshire , Lt in Royal Artillery Drivers and Elizabeth Ann his wife nee Lucas , and Thomas Foster of Grays Inn, the Rev Henry Worsley of Gatcombe I W , and the Rev Henry Worsley , junr of Godshill, I W . I would guess this is at the time of their marriage . Finally there is a Clifford parish in Herefordshire , but whether that is the family home of Edwin Griffiths , I can`t discover . The annuity would seem to indicate that Elizabeh Ann was possibly born in I of Wight . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:57 AM Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, plus researching Bush, Griffiths, Lucas, Buckworth-Herne, Beverley. > Hello > > I'm new to this list, normally inhabiting the Wiltshire one. > > I wonder if SKS has the baptismal records for Cheshunt and could please > do a look up for me. > > I'm looking for Emily Adria Griffiths or Adrin Emily Griffiths who, > according to the censuses was born in Cheshunt c 1822. > > She married Robert Bush in Tasmania. I'm waiting for her marriage > certificate from Tasmania. Their index has her as Adrin Emily Griffiths > but the censuses have her as Emily Adria (Bush). I've also seen her as > Emily Adrin (Bush). > > On family papers her father was referred to as Colonel Griffiths; her > mother was Elizabeth Lucas. > > Elizabeth was the daughter of Henry Lucas and Charlotte Buckworth-Herne. > > I know quite a bit about the Buckworth-Herne family but nothing about > Henry Lucas or Colonel Griffiths. > > So far I have nothing other than the census to locate her in Cheshunt as > place of birth. > > Her son, John Ernest Bush married Mabel Katherine Beverley and settled > in Berkhamstead. > > If anyone else is researching any of these families, I'd be interested > to hear from them. > > Susan > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have BENNETT family history from Hertfordshire, mainly Weston, Stevenage,St albans etc areas. Other surnames connected are SWAIN, DEARMAN, HUMBERSTONE, CANNON, just to name a few. Helen NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@tpg.com.au> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:20 AM Subject: [HRT] BENNETT Herts > Still looking for any Bennett relationships re. my earlier > email. Just thought I'd put a reminder in. Connected with Kite and > Perry surnames. > Cheers > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello I'm new to this list, normally inhabiting the Wiltshire one. I wonder if SKS has the baptismal records for Cheshunt and could please do a look up for me. I'm looking for Emily Adria Griffiths or Adrin Emily Griffiths who, according to the censuses was born in Cheshunt c 1822. She married Robert Bush in Tasmania. I'm waiting for her marriage certificate from Tasmania. Their index has her as Adrin Emily Griffiths but the censuses have her as Emily Adria (Bush). I've also seen her as Emily Adrin (Bush). On family papers her father was referred to as Colonel Griffiths; her mother was Elizabeth Lucas. Elizabeth was the daughter of Henry Lucas and Charlotte Buckworth-Herne. I know quite a bit about the Buckworth-Herne family but nothing about Henry Lucas or Colonel Griffiths. So far I have nothing other than the census to locate her in Cheshunt as place of birth. Her son, John Ernest Bush married Mabel Katherine Beverley and settled in Berkhamstead. If anyone else is researching any of these families, I'd be interested to hear from them. Susan

Still looking for any Bennett relationships re. my earlier email. Just thought I'd put a reminder in. Connected with Kite and Perry surnames. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi, glad to please ........that is always a good thing to think laterally and if you are searching try any variants of the name .......or just search under the most unusual of the Christian names , ie Charlotte or Emily .....no point trying John !!! And the National Archives is divided into various sections , and Access to Archives will come up on a google search and just click on Advanced search , and you will see various boxes, put Oram in " this exact working or phrase " and then Repository , scroll down to Hertford Archives and Local Studies ........and you can then see the letters and from the blue highlighted Hertford Archives you can see how write to or email Herts RO for copies . HALS website unfortunately mixes Oram with Boram and Coram and Orams and Goram , but there is a note of WH Oram obituary on page 3 of the County Press, of 14th March 1854 , Hertford . aged 45 . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Heeley" <gailheeley1@yahoo.com.au> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Oram Family of Hertford > Thanks Elizabeth how wonderful that you found him. > > Now being new what is A2A and how do I look it up and find the info you > gave > me. Where can I get a copy of the letters > > Thanks > Gail > > > > ________________________________ > From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 8 September, 2010 9:51:14 PM > Subject: [HRT] Oram Family of Hertford > > Hi, they are mis transcribed as Aram in the 1841 and are living in > the parish of Bengeo in Herts . They are living at Porthills, and Wm Hy > Aram is described as 35, clerk to a solicitor, N for not born in county , > with him is Charlotte, 35, N , Henry , 12, N, Emily ,8 , William, 6 , > Thomas, 4, Edward, 2 all Y from Emily onward . > There is in A2A and probably on the HALS site , a very likely > letter > dated Sept 1845, from Wm Toms of Cox`s Sq, Spitalfields, to Mr Wm Henry > Oram > , thanking him for his letter etec ...........and earlier an apprentice > indenture signed by John Davies, mayor of Hertford and Wm Hy Oram > ......maybe John Davies was the solicitor for whom Wm Hy worked ? although > that said there are many other apprentice indentures which are signed by > Wm > Hy . There is a further letter between Wm Toms, malt factor of Cox`s Sq > and Wm Hy on behalf of Philip Longmore , Hertford , maybe this is the > solicitor for whm he worked in 1845 . > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Heeley" <gailheeley1@yahoo.com.au> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:00 AM > Subject: [HRT] Oram Family of Hertford > > >> Hi, I am new to this list and have just started looking for my family in >> Hertford. I am looking for any information on a William Henry Oram born >> in >> 1805 >> in Stowey, Somerset. He married a Charlotte Hickman Busby in 1827 in >> Stepney, >> London. On the 1851 census he is living in St Andrews Street, Hertford >> with his >> wife and family Emily b 1833, William b. 1835, Thomas b. 1837, Edward b. >> 1840, >> Charlotte Anne b. 1841 and Frederick b. 1845. All the children were born >> in >> Hertford. Cannot find them on the 1841 census? William also had another >> son >> Henry Busby b. 1829 (not quite sure where, birth different on each >> census) >> >> Does anyone on this list have any info on this family. I am also trying >> to >> find >> what life was like in Hertford at the time this family was there. >> William >> was a >> Solicitors General Clerk. Where may he have worked there? Any help!! >> >> Thanks >> Gail >> >> >> >> >> >> Hertfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >