Somebody else is looking at Georgina Marianne and has annotated the 1871 transcript on Ancestry with her maiden name Griffiths. She is Georgina Roberts a clergyman's wife in 1871, 1881, 1891 and a widow with private means in 1911; did not persevere with 1901. Birthplace variously given but either/or Hobartstown and Tasmania. Of couse this still might not be the right Edwin. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 11 September 2010 12:24 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, the Griffiths have ballooned from a simple query into a most interesting discussion , and now there seem to be three possible Margaret , 2nd wife , of Col Edwin , possibly Margaret Johnson m 1844 ?Shropshire , possibly Margaret Macormister, and then Margaret Mackenzie and then Margaret Brooks .........I also looking in the NSW bapts and couldn`t find a child of the post 1843 marriage to Margaret Brooks , but only looked at NSW , didn`t think to look at Tasmania .... So apart from the new found George b Australia 1844, is there any further sighting of the earlier Edwina Eliza Ann b Cheshunt , 1819 ? or the two little boys Edwin Arthur and Frederick ? and yes why the big gap between 1821 and 1832 or were Edwin and Frederick born between those two dates but only christened in 1832 when Col Edwin was on leave ? Is anyone able to check the burial register of Cheshunt between 1819 and 1833 ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thanks Anthony. > > I was following the same line of thought last night, but in England. I > found the death of an Elizabeth Griffiths, registered in Ware (the > registration district for Cheshunt) in 1844, followed by a marriage for > an Edwin Griffiths in 1848, with a Margaret Johnson on the same page, > but it was in Shropshire. > > However, I'm inclined to think that your finding makes more sense, > especially with no sign of any of the family on the UK censuses. I > reckon the two sons of Edwin and Eliza Ann stayed in Australia or > wherever Edwin next went on his army service and never came back to the > UK, or not until they were very much older. > > Susan > > > > > > > > On 10/09/2010 10:55, Anthony M. Carter wrote: >> As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann >> Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the >> marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, >> Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th >> Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony >> > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I couldn't resist and had a look in Rootsweb for your Edwin. I found a woman born Margaret Mackenzie who married a man named Brooks, then her second marriage was in 1843 to Edwin Griffiths in Paramatta! Does that help! See for example: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=monaropioneers&id=I179984 There are several trees in "Worldconnect" that have this marriage. This one identifies him as Paymaster of the 96th: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mynortontribe&id=I3046 Sorry I have run out of time but it looks like it may be worth a closer look. You should be able to contact the author of that tree (an Australian) to find out more. Cheers Simon. On 11/09/2010 11:24, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi, the Griffiths have ballooned from a simple query into a most > interesting discussion , and now there seem to be three possible Margaret , > 2nd wife , of Col Edwin , possibly Margaret Johnson m 1844 ?Shropshire , > possibly Margaret Macormister, and then Margaret Mackenzie and then Margaret > Brooks .........I also looking in the NSW bapts and couldn`t find a child of > the post 1843 marriage to Margaret Brooks , but only looked at NSW , didn`t > think to look at Tasmania .... > So apart from the new found George b Australia 1844, is there any > further sighting of the earlier Edwina Eliza Ann b Cheshunt , 1819 ? or the > two little boys Edwin Arthur and Frederick ? and yes why the big gap > between 1821 and 1832 or were Edwin and Frederick born between those two > dates but only christened in 1832 when Col Edwin was on leave ? > Is anyone able to check the burial register of Cheshunt between 1819 > and 1833 ? > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Morris"<susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> > To:<eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > > >> Thanks Anthony. >> >> I was following the same line of thought last night, but in England. I >> found the death of an Elizabeth Griffiths, registered in Ware (the >> registration district for Cheshunt) in 1844, followed by a marriage for >> an Edwin Griffiths in 1848, with a Margaret Johnson on the same page, >> but it was in Shropshire. >> >> However, I'm inclined to think that your finding makes more sense, >> especially with no sign of any of the family on the UK censuses. I >> reckon the two sons of Edwin and Eliza Ann stayed in Australia or >> wherever Edwin next went on his army service and never came back to the >> UK, or not until they were very much older. >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/09/2010 10:55, Anthony M. Carter wrote: >>> As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann >>> Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the >>> marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, >>> Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th >>> Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony >>> >> >> >> >> Hertfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3127 - Release Date: 09/10/10 19:41:00 >

We can forget about MacCormister. That was me being lazy. I was shamed into going back to the Archives Office of Tasmania, which has marriage of Edwin Griffiths and Margaret McKenzie at Launceston 1844 and three children of this marriage George b. 1844, Georgina Marianne b. 1844 (presumably they were twins) and Jane Augusta b. 1845. There is of course no guarantee this is the Edwin Griffiths under scrutiny. I checked this index for the children of the earlier marriage but did not find them. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 11 September 2010 12:24 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, the Griffiths have ballooned from a simple query into a most interesting discussion , and now there seem to be three possible Margaret , 2nd wife , of Col Edwin , possibly Margaret Johnson m 1844 ?Shropshire , possibly Margaret Macormister, and then Margaret Mackenzie and then Margaret Brooks .........I also looking in the NSW bapts and couldn`t find a child of the post 1843 marriage to Margaret Brooks , but only looked at NSW , didn`t think to look at Tasmania .... So apart from the new found George b Australia 1844, is there any further sighting of the earlier Edwina Eliza Ann b Cheshunt , 1819 ? or the two little boys Edwin Arthur and Frederick ? and yes why the big gap between 1821 and 1832 or were Edwin and Frederick born between those two dates but only christened in 1832 when Col Edwin was on leave ? Is anyone able to check the burial register of Cheshunt between 1819 and 1833 ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thanks Anthony. > > I was following the same line of thought last night, but in England. I > found the death of an Elizabeth Griffiths, registered in Ware (the > registration district for Cheshunt) in 1844, followed by a marriage for > an Edwin Griffiths in 1848, with a Margaret Johnson on the same page, > but it was in Shropshire. > > However, I'm inclined to think that your finding makes more sense, > especially with no sign of any of the family on the UK censuses. I > reckon the two sons of Edwin and Eliza Ann stayed in Australia or > wherever Edwin next went on his army service and never came back to the > UK, or not until they were very much older. > > Susan > > > > > > > > On 10/09/2010 10:55, Anthony M. Carter wrote: >> As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann >> Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the >> marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, >> Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th >> Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony >> > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, the Griffiths have ballooned from a simple query into a most interesting discussion , and now there seem to be three possible Margaret , 2nd wife , of Col Edwin , possibly Margaret Johnson m 1844 ?Shropshire , possibly Margaret Macormister, and then Margaret Mackenzie and then Margaret Brooks .........I also looking in the NSW bapts and couldn`t find a child of the post 1843 marriage to Margaret Brooks , but only looked at NSW , didn`t think to look at Tasmania .... So apart from the new found George b Australia 1844, is there any further sighting of the earlier Edwina Eliza Ann b Cheshunt , 1819 ? or the two little boys Edwin Arthur and Frederick ? and yes why the big gap between 1821 and 1832 or were Edwin and Frederick born between those two dates but only christened in 1832 when Col Edwin was on leave ? Is anyone able to check the burial register of Cheshunt between 1819 and 1833 ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thanks Anthony. > > I was following the same line of thought last night, but in England. I > found the death of an Elizabeth Griffiths, registered in Ware (the > registration district for Cheshunt) in 1844, followed by a marriage for > an Edwin Griffiths in 1848, with a Margaret Johnson on the same page, > but it was in Shropshire. > > However, I'm inclined to think that your finding makes more sense, > especially with no sign of any of the family on the UK censuses. I > reckon the two sons of Edwin and Eliza Ann stayed in Australia or > wherever Edwin next went on his army service and never came back to the > UK, or not until they were very much older. > > Susan > > > > > > > > On 10/09/2010 10:55, Anthony M. Carter wrote: >> As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann >> Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the >> marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, >> Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th >> Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony >> > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hitchin http://www.nicolasassociates.com/hitchinvirtualtour/highst.htm High Street Formerly known as Cock Street, this short road leads from Moss' Corner at the end of Bancroft, to the Market Place. Moss' corner was the site of the Trooper Inn. The Moss family, whose business sense was legendary in Hitchin, purchased the building towards the end of the 19th century and demolished it in 1899 to make way for the building that exists today. During the work a number of human skeletons were found, possibly the remnants of an ancient graveyard. The street's original name refers to the Cock Inn, halfway along. This inn was built in 1563, probably using stones from the Priory. The inn was known for staging cockfights,hence its name. It was originally much larger than today, having stables for 68 horses. In 1931 Woolworth's purchased and demolished a large portion of the building, erecting a store in its place. This store is now used by Boot's, and Woolworth's have moved to the other side of the Cock (demolishing Perks & Llewellyn the Chemists - whose Victorian shop interior is preserved in Hitchin Museum). Hope this helps Regards Gay -----Original Message----- From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alison Leedham Sent: Friday, 10 September 2010 11:04 PM To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Cock St, Hitchin Hello I'm trying to locate Cock St., Hitchin. It appears in the 1841 and 1851 censuses but not after that and the maps on Old-maps.co.uk date from the 1880s. In 1841, my 2g grandfather Rev John Broad and family were on Bancroft, which is where I understood the manse was (and where they are in 1851). But in the margin, it says Cock St. and so it's unclear to me which address they were at in 1841. Looking at the census sheets around, it looks as if it should be somewhere not far from Bancroft and/or Golden Square and/or Portmill Lane, but that's as close as I can get. Does any one have access to an older map or some other reference document that might help? Thanks Alison Vancouver Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking at Australian Vital Record index I find Edwin Griffiths spouse Margaret Brooks year 1843 Reference V184321327C New South Wales Parramatta, St John's Church of England Interestingly there is an Edwin Griffiths death infant index year 1842 Parramatta, St John's church of England Reg Number V184273726B ..no mention of who the parents were 1871 England Census Name: George Griffiths Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Australia Civil parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Brixton ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 119 Household Members: Name Age George Griffiths 27 also in the army Now there wer4 a few Georges born around 1844 but one stands out as father Edwin and mother Margret Mckenzie...child born in Tasmania 8 Jan 1844 Ref number 52 So that would be the child of the marriage that Anthony found..makes sense if your Emily was in Tasmania as well. Name: George Griffiths Birth Date: 11 Mar 1844 Father's Name: Edwin Griffiths Mother's Name: Margaret Mckenzie Birth Place: Tasmania Registration Year: 1844 Registration Place: Launceston, Tasmania Registration Number: 161 1881 census England...Notice the name of George's son...Edwin!!!! Name: George Griffiths Age: 37 birth: abt 1844 Spouse's name: Annie M. Griffiths Where born: Australia Civil parish: Hornsey County/Island: Middlesex Street Address: Campsbourne Road Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Insurance Agent Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Hornsey ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George Griffiths 37 Annie M. Griffiths 33 Edwin G. Griffiths 4 You can find the son Edwin G age 14 and his mother Annie (wrongly transcribed as Sussie M Griffiths with Annie's mother in 1891. Hopefully all this is not too far off the beaten track..but it is amazing where the beaten track leads. Cheers Gay

Sometimes in the Black Country there were multiple baptisms - usually when there was a new minister at the Church and the families were visited to see why the children hadn't been baptised! Velda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stella Stanger" <sstanger@sfu.ca> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > > Many years ago - on one of the mail lists - it was mentioned that - > babies - were sometimes Baptised at home or in the place where they > were born - if there was concern over the health of the child. > Also - that there are times - when an entire family -father - and all > children - were Baptised at the same time - to save time ? or cost? > Cheers, Stella > > > > > At 12:18 PM 10/09/2010, you wrote: >> That thought did cross my mind. I should keep an open mind, not >>assume they were twins but not assume they weren't. >> >>Susan >> >> >>On 10/09/2010 18:21, Simon Harding wrote: >> > On 10/09/2010 15:35, Susan Morris wrote: >> >> Edwin Arthur Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England >> >> Frederick Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England >> >> (presumably twins) >> > I have often found children christened in "batches". In one family, >> > three together in Islington in 1821, another two in 1826, and so on. >> > The >> > father (my 3x ggf) was in the employ of the East India Company and made >> > many voyages to India and China. I suspect the children were christened >> > when he was home. (I should check that as I do have all the dates >> > somewhere). >> > >> > Simon. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hertfordshire Surnames List >> > >> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>Hertfordshire Surnames List >> >>http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That thought did cross my mind. I should keep an open mind, not assume they were twins but not assume they weren't. Susan On 10/09/2010 18:21, Simon Harding wrote: > On 10/09/2010 15:35, Susan Morris wrote: >> Edwin Arthur Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England >> Frederick Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England >> (presumably twins) > I have often found children christened in "batches". In one family, > three together in Islington in 1821, another two in 1826, and so on. The > father (my 3x ggf) was in the employ of the East India Company and made > many voyages to India and China. I suspect the children were christened > when he was home. (I should check that as I do have all the dates > somewhere). > > Simon. > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the offchance, I wondered if anyone researching Bennett in Hertfordshire can connect them to the name ALDER. Period 1840/50s, Hertford/Bengeo. India may also be involved in the connection. I don't know how likely this is so would not like to think of anyone wasting any time pursuing it. However, I thought the question worth asking just in case a Bennett expert recognised the name. Thanks Simon.

On 10/09/2010 15:35, Susan Morris wrote: > Edwin Arthur Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England > Frederick Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England > (presumably twins) I have often found children christened in "batches". In one family, three together in Islington in 1821, another two in 1826, and so on. The father (my 3x ggf) was in the employ of the East India Company and made many voyages to India and China. I suspect the children were christened when he was home. (I should check that as I do have all the dates somewhere). Simon.

Alison.... I may be able to shed a little light. Page 1 of the Enumerator's Schedule describes the area covered (Enumeration District 1) as follows:- "All that part of the Town beginning next to the Swan Inn, taking the west side of Cocks (sic) St. and the whole of Bancroft Street to Portmill Lane." Strangely, for I've never seen it before, he puts Cock (or is it "Cook"?) Street on the left hand side of the page, with Bancroft Street on the right for the first few pages. At one point, later, he appears to cover a side street - Silver Street. John Broad was minister from 1841 to 1857 of what is now Tilehouse Street Baptist Church - it's actually in Upper Tilehouse Street - (see http://www.ths-baptist.org.uk/ .) I've found it on the modern map <www.streetmap.co.uk> and Bancroft and Portmill Lane are within a few hundred yards north west. I hope this helps. Mike Chaney -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alison Leedham" <aleedham@telus.net> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 4:04 PM To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Subject: [HRT] Cock St, Hitchin > Hello > > I'm trying to locate Cock St., Hitchin. It appears in the 1841 and 1851 > censuses but not after that and the maps on Old-maps.co.uk date from the > 1880s. > > In 1841, my 2g grandfather Rev John Broad and family were on Bancroft, > which is where I understood the manse was (and where they are in 1851). > But in the margin, it says Cock St. and so it's unclear to me which > address they were at in 1841. > > Looking at the census sheets around, it looks as if it should be somewhere > not far from Bancroft and/or Golden Square and/or Portmill Lane, but > that's as close as I can get. > > Does any one have access to an older map or some other reference document > that might help? > > Thanks > Alison > Vancouver

There is a HUGE amount about Robert Bush's son, Robert EDWIN Bush, who went back to OZ, on the Clifton RFC site, including many photos; but I expect you knew that? Your finding makes as much sense as mine. Additionally there is an 1844 Launceston marriage of Edwin Griffiths and Margaret McCormister (that surname from memory, so may need to check). The 96th also had a HQ there. Glad its your family not mine or I would feel thoroughly confused by now. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Morris [susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk] Sent: 10 September 2010 16:48 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Thanks Anthony. I was following the same line of thought last night, but in England. I found the death of an Elizabeth Griffiths, registered in Ware (the registration district for Cheshunt) in 1844, followed by a marriage for an Edwin Griffiths in 1848, with a Margaret Johnson on the same page, but it was in Shropshire. However, I'm inclined to think that your finding makes more sense, especially with no sign of any of the family on the UK censuses. I reckon the two sons of Edwin and Eliza Ann stayed in Australia or wherever Edwin next went on his army service and never came back to the UK, or not until they were very much older. Susan On 10/09/2010 10:55, Anthony M. Carter wrote: > As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the tip, Simon. I've come across Google Books whilst searching in general but not actually targetted them directly yet. In my initial searches I didn't have a first name, only Griffiths, so that made it more difficult to search. I'll see what I can find now. Susan On 10/09/2010 12:54, Simon Harding wrote: > A lot of stuff turns up in Google Books, New Army List etc. plus a brief > obituary in the United Service Magazine. I haven't looked too closely but > a lot of the results appear to be your man. > > A hint to anyone doing genealogical research - go to google books and > search on your ancestor's name, within double quotes. I wouldn't bother > for "John Smith" or similar though! Of course you can add other strings to > the search, such as placenames in Hertfordshire. You'd be surprised how > much can be found that way. > > HTH > Simon. > >

Thanks Anthony. I was following the same line of thought last night, but in England. I found the death of an Elizabeth Griffiths, registered in Ware (the registration district for Cheshunt) in 1844, followed by a marriage for an Edwin Griffiths in 1848, with a Margaret Johnson on the same page, but it was in Shropshire. However, I'm inclined to think that your finding makes more sense, especially with no sign of any of the family on the UK censuses. I reckon the two sons of Edwin and Eliza Ann stayed in Australia or wherever Edwin next went on his army service and never came back to the UK, or not until they were very much older. Susan On 10/09/2010 10:55, Anthony M. Carter wrote: > As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony >

Last night I followed up your IGI findings of the daughters of Edwin and Eliza Ann Griffiths and found two sons as well: Edwina Eliza Ann chr Dec 1819 in Cheshunt, England Emily Griffiths chr Sept 1821 in Cheshunt, England Edwin Arthur Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England Frederick Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England (presumably twins) It's possible that there were more children between1821 and 1832. I may have missed some on the IGI (I was going cross eyed after a while) or they may have been born anywhere that the father, Edwin Griffiths served. I looked through all the censuses for any sign of any of the family (but not for Emily), together or apart and found nothing. Emily married Robert Bush, a Capt in her father's regiment, in 1843 in Tasmania. They are still absent from the UK in 1851 but I have them in the censuses from 1861 onwards. If Emily and Robert were back here from his army service by 1861, I would have thought the older Edwin Griffiths would have been too. From the age given on that death certificate index, he would have been 69 in 1861 but he might have been one of those who couldn't settle after such a long army career around the world and kept travelling for some years. Susan On 10/09/2010 11:00, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi, Edwin is on his own in the 1841 census in Cheshunt so Eliza Ann > clearly between the birth of the second daughter in 1821 and 1841 , pity > the marriage is in Parramatta , certs can be got from NSW... > >

Elizabeth, Paramatta is in NSW. I just found this marriage at http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au [1] and a certificate can be ordered for $29 Confused, Simon. On Fri 10/09/10 11:00 AM , "elizabeth howard" elizgh@btinternet.com sent: Hi, Edwin is on his own in the 1841 census in Cheshunt so Eliza Ann clearly between the birth of the second daughter in 1821 and 1841 , pity the marriage is in Parramatta , certs can be got from NSW... life is hard . soften it with a cat \=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [4] [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [5]] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard Sent: 10. september 2010 11:13 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com [6] Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi ,, this is fascinating and for sure why he doesn`t appear in the 1851 census because he is in India , and perhaps in Gibraltar for the 1861 .... life is hard . soften it with a cat \=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths The brother of one of my family served in a far humbler capacity in the 96th Foot. Here is a resume of what I learned: The 96th Foot was responsible for providing detachments to transport convicts to New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania). From 1839-49 they served as prison guards. The regimental HQ was at Windsor and Parramatta NSW then from 1843 at Launceston VDL. In 1849 they arrived in Calcutta and were in India until 1854, returning home to the UK before deploying to Gibraltar for garrison service for rather less than a year in 1856-7. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [9] [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [10]] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com [11]] Sent: 09 September 2010 18:29 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com [12] Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, glad you are pleased........you can also go on the London Gazette and just put in Edwin Griffiths , and you will be able to chase him right through his career from his start in 1813 ........and googling 48th and 96th regts shows that both regts were for a time in Australia , can`t now remember which , think it was the 48th was in Australasia from 1817 - 1824...........and you could get the Colonel`s will from the York Probate office as you know his date of death , I think they still charge £5 , google York probate office for all post 1858 wills . life is hard . soften it with a cat \=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. > > I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for > Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same > there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles > journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. > > I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had > found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the > initials E but no details of rank. > > I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote > my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate > from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of > the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot > (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we > don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony > and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the > women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she > was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter > of one of the officers. > > I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a > lot to work my way through! > > I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in > response to someone who had searched for info without results and was > surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm > convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge > database and it is always worth looking again. > > I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good > results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first > name) and 96th Foot. > > Again, many thanks. > > Susan > > > > > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [15]">http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [16] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [17]">http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [18] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [19]">http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [20] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [21]">http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [22] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [23]">http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [24] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [25]">http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [26] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au [2] mailto:ACarter@health.sdu.dk [3] mailto:eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com [4] mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [5] mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [6] mailto:eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com [7] mailto:ACarter@health.sdu.dk [8] mailto:eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com [9] mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [10] mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [11] mailto:elizgh@btinternet.com [12] mailto:eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com [13] mailto:susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk [14] mailto:eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com [15] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [16] mailto:ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [17] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [18] mailto:ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [19] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [20] mailto:ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [21] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [22] mailto:ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [23] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [24] mailto:ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [25] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [26] mailto:ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com

A lot of stuff turns up in Google Books, New Army List etc. plus a brief obituary in the United Service Magazine. I haven't looked too closely but a lot of the results appear to be your man. A hint to anyone doing genealogical research - go to google books and search on your ancestor's name, within double quotes. I wouldn't bother for "John Smith" or similar though! Of course you can add other strings to the search, such as placenames in Hertfordshire. You'd be surprised how much can be found that way. HTH Simon. On Fri 10/09/10 10:12 AM , "elizabeth howard" elizgh@btinternet.com sent: Hi ,, this is fascinating and for sure why he doesn`t appear in the 1851 census because he is in India , and perhaps in Gibraltar for the 1861 .... life is hard . soften it with a cat \=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths The brother of one of my family served in a far humbler capacity in the 96th Foot. Here is a resume of what I learned: The 96th Foot was responsible for providing detachments to transport convicts to New South Wales and Van Diemen’s Land (Tasmania). From 1839-49 they served as prison guards. The regimental HQ was at Windsor and Parramatta NSW then from 1843 at Launceston VDL. In 1849 they arrived in Calcutta and were in India until 1854, returning home to the UK before deploying to Gibraltar for garrison service for rather less than a year in 1856-7. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [3] [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [4]] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com [5]] Sent: 09 September 2010 18:29 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com [6] Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, glad you are pleased........you can also go on the London Gazette and just put in Edwin Griffiths , and you will be able to chase him right through his career from his start in 1813 ........and googling 48th and 96th regts shows that both regts were for a time in Australia , can`t now remember which , think it was the 48th was in Australasia from 1817 - 1824...........and you could get the Colonel`s will from the York Probate office as you know his date of death , I think they still charge £5 , google York probate office for all post 1858 wills . life is hard . soften it with a cat \=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. > > I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for > Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same > there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles > journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. > > I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had > found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the > initials E but no details of rank. > > I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote > my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate > from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of > the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot > (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we > don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony > and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the > women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she > was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter > of one of the officers. > > I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a > lot to work my way through! > > I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in > response to someone who had searched for info without results and was > surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm > convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge > database and it is always worth looking again. > > I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good > results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first > name) and 96th Foot. > > Again, many thanks. > > Susan > > > > > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [9]">http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [10] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [11]">http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [12] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [13]">http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [14] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [15]">http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [16] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] mailto:ACarter@health.sdu.dk [2] mailto:eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com [3] mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [4] mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [5] mailto:elizgh@btinternet.com [6] mailto:eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com [7] mailto:susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk [8] mailto:eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com [9] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [10] mailto:ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [11] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [12] mailto:ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [13] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [14] mailto:ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com [15] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/hertford.html [16] mailto:ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com

Many years ago - on one of the mail lists - it was mentioned that - babies - were sometimes Baptised at home or in the place where they were born - if there was concern over the health of the child. Also - that there are times - when an entire family -father - and all children - were Baptised at the same time - to save time ? or cost? Cheers, Stella At 12:18 PM 10/09/2010, you wrote: > That thought did cross my mind. I should keep an open mind, not >assume they were twins but not assume they weren't. > >Susan > > >On 10/09/2010 18:21, Simon Harding wrote: > > On 10/09/2010 15:35, Susan Morris wrote: > >> Edwin Arthur Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England > >> Frederick Griffiths chr July 1832, Cheshunt, England > >> (presumably twins) > > I have often found children christened in "batches". In one family, > > three together in Islington in 1821, another two in 1826, and so on. The > > father (my 3x ggf) was in the employ of the East India Company and made > > many voyages to India and China. I suspect the children were christened > > when he was home. (I should check that as I do have all the dates > > somewhere). > > > > Simon. > > > > > > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >Hertfordshire Surnames List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard Sent: 10. september 2010 11:13 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi ,, this is fascinating and for sure why he doesn`t appear in the 1851 census because he is in India , and perhaps in Gibraltar for the 1861 .... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter@health.sdu.dk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths The brother of one of my family served in a far humbler capacity in the 96th Foot. Here is a resume of what I learned: The 96th Foot was responsible for providing detachments to transport convicts to New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania). From 1839-49 they served as prison guards. The regimental HQ was at Windsor and Parramatta NSW then from 1843 at Launceston VDL. In 1849 they arrived in Calcutta and were in India until 1854, returning home to the UK before deploying to Gibraltar for garrison service for rather less than a year in 1856-7. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 09 September 2010 18:29 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, glad you are pleased........you can also go on the London Gazette and just put in Edwin Griffiths , and you will be able to chase him right through his career from his start in 1813 ........and googling 48th and 96th regts shows that both regts were for a time in Australia , can`t now remember which , think it was the 48th was in Australasia from 1817 - 1824...........and you could get the Colonel`s will from the York Probate office as you know his date of death , I think they still charge £5 , google York probate office for all post 1858 wills . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. > > I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for > Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same > there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles > journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. > > I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had > found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the > initials E but no details of rank. > > I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote > my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate > from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of > the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot > (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we > don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony > and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the > women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she > was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter > of one of the officers. > > I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a > lot to work my way through! > > I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in > response to someone who had searched for info without results and was > surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm > convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge > database and it is always worth looking again. > > I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good > results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first > name) and 96th Foot. > > Again, many thanks. > > Susan > > > > > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Edwin is on his own in the 1841 census in Cheshunt so Eliza Ann clearly between the birth of the second daughter in 1821 and 1841 , pity the marriage is in Parramatta , certs can be got from NSW... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter@health.sdu.dk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths As I recall we started with the well documented Edwin Griffiths-Eliza Ann Lucas marriage in 1816, but his widow was called Margaret. IGI has the marriage of Edwin Griffiths to Margaret Brooks on 3 May 1843 at St John, Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia. This was then HQ for the 96th Foot. Therefore it seems likely that the first wife had died. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard Sent: 10. september 2010 11:13 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi ,, this is fascinating and for sure why he doesn`t appear in the 1851 census because he is in India , and perhaps in Gibraltar for the 1861 .... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter@health.sdu.dk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths The brother of one of my family served in a far humbler capacity in the 96th Foot. Here is a resume of what I learned: The 96th Foot was responsible for providing detachments to transport convicts to New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania). From 1839-49 they served as prison guards. The regimental HQ was at Windsor and Parramatta NSW then from 1843 at Launceston VDL. In 1849 they arrived in Calcutta and were in India until 1854, returning home to the UK before deploying to Gibraltar for garrison service for rather less than a year in 1856-7. Anthony ________________________________________ From: eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [eng-hertfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard [elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 09 September 2010 18:29 To: eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths Hi, glad you are pleased........you can also go on the London Gazette and just put in Edwin Griffiths , and you will be able to chase him right through his career from his start in 1813 ........and googling 48th and 96th regts shows that both regts were for a time in Australia , can`t now remember which , think it was the 48th was in Australasia from 1817 - 1824...........and you could get the Colonel`s will from the York Probate office as you know his date of death , I think they still charge £5 , google York probate office for all post 1858 wills . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Morris" <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> To: <eng-hertfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Baptismal look up please, Griffiths > Thank you both Elizabeth and Gay. I'm so grateful to you both. > > I'm in Cambridge, so I can go and check out the baptismal records for > Pampisford, and Hertford is about 50 miles away, so I can do the same > there. With the price of petrol, I'd hesitated to make a 100 miles > journey without more proof that Emily was born in Cheshunt. > > I had begun to think the elusive Colonel Griffiths was a myth. I had > found a 96th Foot Regiment which listed two Griffiths, both with the > initials E but no details of rank. > > I went away from the computer thoroughly depressed because since I wrote > my appeal for help to the list, I'd received the marriage certificate > from Tasmania and, unlike UK ones, it gave no details of the fathers of > the bride and groom. It showed the groom to be a Capt in 96th Foot > (which I knew) and Emily Griffiths to be a free spinister, something we > don't see on the UK certificates. But then, Tasmania was a penal colony > and it was on a page with three other marriages, all of which showed the > women to be prisoners marrying free men. Apart from the fact that she > was a free woman, there was nothing to show that Emily was the daughter > of one of the officers. > > I came back to the computer to find your detailed responses. Wow, what a > lot to work my way through! > > I had searched the IGI but, as I wrote on the Wiltshire list recently in > response to someone who had searched for info without results and was > surprised that someone else had found what she was looking for, I'm > convinced that when we search on the IGI, we only see some of that huge > database and it is always worth looking again. > > I've used the google books Officers of the Army lists before, with good > results, but nothing came up on my search for Griffiths (with no first > name) and 96th Foot. > > Again, many thanks. > > Susan > > > > > > > > > Hertfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hertfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/hertford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message