Evening listers I am seeking the death of EMILY DUNMALL nee SLATER was born in Barley maybe buried there any help appreciated Mick

Hi Keith, I had a quick look at the 1837online site, but didn't find an Emily Charge marriage in Watford for 1907/08 - are you sure of the year? I didn't look for William Smith because it is such a common name & there will probably be number of them. I notice there are four Charge marriages on FreeBMD between 1901 and 1909, but none of them is Emily. One however is a James in 1907 which I also found on 1837online. Could these Charge's be siblings of Emily? Geoff Morse Hitchin, Herts, UK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:25 PM > Subject: [Herts] marriage certificate > > >> Hi, >> can a kind soul please help me find a marriage certificate for 1907 > or 8 for a WILLIAM JOSEPH SMITH to EMILY CHARGE in watford.Thank you. >> >> Keith in Malta. >>

Hello Keith Have you tried 1837online, which has the full births, marriages and deaths index for England and Wales? You can buy the equivalent of £5 worth of units which will enable you to carry out around 50 searches. This will give you the reference which you will then need to apply to the General Register Office for a copy of the certificate. The web site address is: www.1837online.com Colin Ward ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: [Herts] marriage certificate > Hi, > can a kind soul please help me find a marriage certificate for 1907 or 8 for a WILLIAM JOSEPH SMITH to EMILY CHARGE in watford.Thank you. > > Keith in Malta. > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. > > >

Hi Josie, When we subscribe to a mail list - we receive Every Message sent to the mail list - not just our interests. Perhaps at this time - we do not have anyone researching the BUTTERFIELD surname - Some have success quite early in their research - others take time. The mail lists - and the postings - allow us - to learn the research methods of others - see what reference sources are available. - learn of the success of others - It allows others to help us - where they can - and also allows us - to help [ it feels good]. It is Usually Best: to show the Surname of interest , in Capital Letters - on the Subject Line, along with the given name if known, location if known - time frame if known. Some people who might be able to help - may belong to many mail lists - and just scan the subject lines. No name - and the message is deleted without being read. There is a BUTTERFIELD - mail list: http://lists.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/findlist.pl Subscribe: <mailto:BUTTERFIELD-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe>BUTTERFIELD-L-request@rootsweb.com http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/b/u/BUTTERFIELD/ http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=search&type=Surname&surname=Butterfield http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?surname=Butterfield&given= http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi?lastname=Butterfield&firstname=&nt=exact http://userdb.rootsweb.com/aus/cgi-bin/aus.cgi?surname=Butterfield&fname= http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/an/surnames.butterfield http://genforum.genealogy.com/butterfield/ Found your messages - in the Herts Archive - http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE as well the following'searching BUTTERFIELD http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/E/ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE+2005+516998872+F Cheers, Stella At 06:16 PM 3/23/2005, Rod & Josie wrote: >Hi I( think I am) registered on this rootsweb for the name of >butterfield,so why do I get everyother persons messages and >replies.nothing for butterfield , but all other surnames that people are >chasing. >thank you >regards >Josie >Rod & Josie Butterfield > >Phone 08 8555 5431 >Mobile: 0417 820 350 >WEB Page: http://www.butterfield.bigpondhosting.com >EMAIL : rodjosie@bigpond.net.au > > >==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >To POST a message to this list use the address: > >eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > >2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > >ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. >receiving >the messages individually or want them individually) or > >ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. >receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > >In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe >or unsubscribe.

Hi, can a kind soul please help me find a marriage certificate for 1907 or 8 for a WILLIAM JOSEPH SMITH to EMILY CHARGE in watford.Thank you. Keith in Malta.

Hi Debbie This family is listed in the 1851 census for 'that part of Red Hill village situated in the parish of Sandon' :- William Rudd Head Widower 70 Wheelwright (master) b. Herts, Preston Sarah Rudd dau Unm 35 b. Sandon Isaac Rudd son Unm 31 Wheelwright working at home b.Sandon Hephzibah Rudd dau Unm 22 b. Sandon Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: <DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: [Herts] John Bray RUDD >I wonder if anyone might be able to help with a baptism record for my great > great grandfather John Bray RUDD. He was born about 1826. According to > the > 1871 census he was born in Red Hill, Hertfordshire. In the 1881 census he > gave > his place of birth as Landown, Hertfordshire. I can't find Landown > anywhere > on Genuki or in my road atlas but there does seem to be a small village > called > Redhill which is near Wallington, Baldock and Letchworth. > > John moved to London where he married Isabel HUNTER on 27th November 1858 > in > Stepney. At the time of the marriage he was a licensed victualler but by > 1871 he was working as a wheelwright. > > I don't know how accessible the early Hertfordshire censuses are and I > don't > know when John moved to London but if anyone is able to locate him in > the > 1851 census I would also be most grateful. > > Debbie Kennett > Berkshire > Hertfordshire names include: > PIGG, WOLFENDEN/WOOLFENDEN, AMER and ANDREWS > Also researching CRUWYS worldwide > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. > >

Ray, Thank you i tried freebmd but his marriage is not listed can you help me track the date please its about 1907 0r 8.THANKS A MILLION. Keith. ----- Original Message ----- From: "whitr" <corineous@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Herts] Can you please help Watford ancestors ? > Hello Keith, > > These are all the William Smith's in the 1901/1891 Census's > > 1901 England Census > Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish > County > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > William Smith 18 Watford, Hertfordshire, England Son Abbots > Langley Hertfordshire > William G Smith 18 Watford, Hertfordshire, England Son WATFORD > Hertfordshire > William J Smith 18 Watford, Hertfordshire, England Boarder Watford > Hertfordshire ****** > > 1891 England Census > > Smith, William 8 Watford, Hertfordshire Grandson Abbots > Langley Hertfordshire > Smith, William 8 Much Hadham, Hertfordshire Son Much Hadham > Hertfordshire > Smith, William 8 Westminster, London Son St John > Hertfordshire > Smith, William 8 Tring, Hertfordshire Son Tring > Hertfordshire > Smith, William 8 Watford, Hertfordshire Son WATFORD > Hertfordshire ********* > Smith, William H 8 Bushey, Hertfordshire Son Bushey Hertfordshire > Smith, William H 8 Watford, Hertfordshire Son WATFORD > Hertfordshire ******** > > You need a marriage cert to find father > and birth to find mother > > Ray > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:30 PM > Subject: [Herts] Can you please help Watford ancestors ? > > >> Hi, >> i wonder if anyone can help ? My grat grandfather was a lodger 1901 >> census with a family named charge. >> WILLIAM JOSEPH SMITH said he was 18 born watford. He married Emily charge >> around 1907 ? and had a number of children including james robert smith >> born 1914 at watford. Emily Charge ( smith ) died some time around 1914 - >> 18 and the children were put into care. some time later william joseph re >> married Mary Large but i have no dates. My grandfather james robert died >> 1977 and i would like to trace the smith line.Thanks for your kindness. I >> live in Malta and have no access to records and no lds library on the >> island. >> >> Best wishes >> Keith in Malta. >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily >> regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration >> patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, >> family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is >> encouraged. >> > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > encouraged.

Hi, i wonder if anyone can help ? My grat grandfather was a lodger 1901 census with a family named charge. WILLIAM JOSEPH SMITH said he was 18 born watford. He married Emily charge around 1907 ? and had a number of children including james robert smith born 1914 at watford. Emily Charge ( smith ) died some time around 1914 - 18 and the children were put into care. some time later william joseph re married Mary Large but i have no dates. My grandfather james robert died 1977 and i would like to trace the smith line.Thanks for your kindness. I live in Malta and have no access to records and no lds library on the island. Best wishes Keith in Malta.

Hello Keith, These are all the William Smith's in the 1901/1891 Census's 1901 England Census Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Smith 18 Watford, Hertfordshire, England Son Abbots Langley Hertfordshire William G Smith 18 Watford, Hertfordshire, England Son WATFORD Hertfordshire William J Smith 18 Watford, Hertfordshire, England Boarder Watford Hertfordshire ****** 1891 England Census Smith, William 8 Watford, Hertfordshire Grandson Abbots Langley Hertfordshire Smith, William 8 Much Hadham, Hertfordshire Son Much Hadham Hertfordshire Smith, William 8 Westminster, London Son St John Hertfordshire Smith, William 8 Tring, Hertfordshire Son Tring Hertfordshire Smith, William 8 Watford, Hertfordshire Son WATFORD Hertfordshire ********* Smith, William H 8 Bushey, Hertfordshire Son Bushey Hertfordshire Smith, William H 8 Watford, Hertfordshire Son WATFORD Hertfordshire ******** You need a marriage cert to find father and birth to find mother Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: [Herts] Can you please help Watford ancestors ? > Hi, > i wonder if anyone can help ? My grat grandfather was a lodger 1901 > census with a family named charge. > WILLIAM JOSEPH SMITH said he was 18 born watford. He married Emily charge > around 1907 ? and had a number of children including james robert smith > born 1914 at watford. Emily Charge ( smith ) died some time around 1914 - > 18 and the children were put into care. some time later william joseph re > married Mary Large but i have no dates. My grandfather james robert died > 1977 and i would like to trace the smith line.Thanks for your kindness. I > live in Malta and have no access to records and no lds library on the > island. > > Best wishes > Keith in Malta. > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > encouraged. >

Anyone following the FORDHAM family? John George FORDHAM (b.1/8/1834) journeyman blacksmith who married Sarah ORSMAN (B. 1831). Lived at "The Hill" Hitchen and also at "The Falcon", Park St. HITCHEN. John's father was Ellis FORDHAM, of MELDRETH Cambs. who married Mary THURLEY of MELBOURN Cambs. Regards, George Fordham Victoria AUST

Hi Debbie I did a general search for RUDD surname in Herts on Ancestry.com. Found a family living in Red Hill, Sandon, Herts. I will send image off list. Regards Evelyn

Hello Debbie, My first attempt failed but I came up with these off the IGI, no parents mentioned 1. PHILIP RUDD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 21 JUL 1822 Independent, Redhill, Hertford, England 2. ISAAC RUDD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 21 JUL 1822 Independent, Redhill, Hertford, England 3. WILLIAM RUDD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 OCT 1814 Independent, Redhill, Hertford, England 4. ANN RUDD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 18 MAY 1818 Independent, Redhill, Hertford, England Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: <DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [Herts] John Bray RUDD > Further to my earlier message I forgot to mention that John Bray Rudd's > father, according to his marriage certificate, was William RUDD, a > wheelwright. > > Debbie Kennett > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the > message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other > readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. >

Hello Debbie , Try for the marriage then you will get the fathers name then look that up. Name: Rudd, John Bray & Isabel Hunter Record Type: Marriages Year: December 1858 District: Stepney, London Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 990 He probably had apprenticeship papers in Islington. Otherwise try street map http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: <DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: [Herts] John Bray RUDD >I wonder if anyone might be able to help with a baptism record for my great > great grandfather John Bray RUDD. He was born about 1826. According to > the > 1871 census he was born in Red Hill, Hertfordshire. In the 1881 census he > gave > his place of birth as Landown, Hertfordshire. I can't find Landown > anywhere > on Genuki or in my road atlas but there does seem to be a small village > called > Redhill which is near Wallington, Baldock and Letchworth. > > John moved to London where he married Isabel HUNTER on 27th November 1858 > in > Stepney. At the time of the marriage he was a licensed victualler but by > 1871 he was working as a wheelwright. > > I don't know how accessible the early Hertfordshire censuses are and I > don't > know when John moved to London but if anyone is able to locate him in > the > 1851 census I would also be most grateful. > > Debbie Kennett > Berkshire > Hertfordshire names include: > PIGG, WOLFENDEN/WOOLFENDEN, AMER and ANDREWS > Also researching CRUWYS worldwide > >

> > > > > > Thanks to all who replied to my question on Ancestry.com. I had differing > > answers, good and bad so maybe I will cease the subscription as it seems a > > bit expensive at the moment for what I want. Will continue on the free > sites > > where I have got info which have helped > > Thanks again > > Eunice - Australia > > >

Further to my earlier message I forgot to mention that John Bray Rudd's father, according to his marriage certificate, was William RUDD, a wheelwright. Debbie Kennett

Dear Patti, It was a case of not looking what I was doing and hit the wrong button. I was interested in the topic as I was so pleased to find Great grandmother's family after a lot of searching. Then I came to a full stop with her parents. In a small village, within seven years ( 1788-1795) there were three John SUCKLINGS married Elizabeths. I started to get all the information I could. I have only recorded two girls baptised (1797 and 1799) to a John and Elizabeth SUCKLING. Is it a good assumption that they are the children of John SUCKLING and Elizabeth DIGBY married 1795? I will have to order the film again through the Family Centre and maybe do a SUCKLING name study as has been suggested. Thanks to Robert for bringing up the topic and Patti for your remarks. It has got me thinking and will make me have another go at solving the brickwall Regards Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia salter" <ps015p6402@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Herts] Re: Too many candidates Hi Brenda > Did you forget to type your message? > Patti > ----- Original Message ----- ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com

Hello from a new lister. I have finally discovered that my g.g.g.grandfather, Henry Hyett DARKE, Birmingham born and bred, spent the last years of his life in Hertfordshire (I think as manager of a paper mill). I have found that he is buried at St. Lawrence, Abbots Langley. According to a microfiche of memorial inscriptions for that church, he is in section C, C338. The inscription reads: "Henry Hyett DARKE d. 30 Nov. 1871 aged 59 years Also Sarah Ann, d. 2 Oct 1887 aged 75 Also daughter Sarah Jane d 4 May 1932 aged 84" I was wondering if there are any Abbots Langley residents on the list, who might be familiar with the churchyard. I would dearly love to know what condition the memorial is in, and if anyone could email a digital photo, or "real" photo (all costs reimbursed of course) I would be even happier! But just to know it is still standing and in reasonable order would be great, Best regards, Jane Nicholas Melbourne, Australia

I wonder if anyone might be able to help with a baptism record for my great great grandfather John Bray RUDD. He was born about 1826. According to the 1871 census he was born in Red Hill, Hertfordshire. In the 1881 census he gave his place of birth as Landown, Hertfordshire. I can't find Landown anywhere on Genuki or in my road atlas but there does seem to be a small village called Redhill which is near Wallington, Baldock and Letchworth. John moved to London where he married Isabel HUNTER on 27th November 1858 in Stepney. At the time of the marriage he was a licensed victualler but by 1871 he was working as a wheelwright. I don't know how accessible the early Hertfordshire censuses are and I don't know when John moved to London but if anyone is able to locate him in the 1851 census I would also be most grateful. Debbie Kennett Berkshire Hertfordshire names include: PIGG, WOLFENDEN/WOOLFENDEN, AMER and ANDREWS Also researching CRUWYS worldwide

Was it someone on this list that said they had joined ancestry.com and found it a good site as I just did and have the 14 day free trial and it wont show me anything unless I upgrade - WHY IS THIS Regards Eunice - Australia

Hi List, Carrying on this topic, I once had the problem of deciding which Thomas and Ann's marriage was the correct one; both equi-distant from my parish of interest within 6 months of each other. I actually traced down each line from the parents and discovered that one of the grandchildren had been given his grandmother's maiden name as a middle name. It allowed me to pick the correct marriage! Another problem solved!! Regards Sandra Brenda Jones wrote: > Dear Patti, > > It was a case of not looking what I was doing and hit the wrong button. > > I was interested in the topic as I was so pleased to find Great > grandmother's family after a lot of searching. Then I came to a full > stop with her parents. In a small village, within seven years ( > 1788-1795) there were three John SUCKLINGS married Elizabeths. I > started to get all the information I could. I have only recorded two > girls baptised (1797 and 1799) to a John and Elizabeth SUCKLING. Is it > a good assumption that they are the children of John SUCKLING and > Elizabeth DIGBY married 1795? I will have to order the film again > through the Family Centre and maybe do a SUCKLING name study as has > been suggested. > > Thanks to Robert for bringing up the topic and Patti for your remarks. > It has got me thinking and will make me have another go at solving the > brickwall > > > Regards > > Brenda > ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia salter" > <ps015p6402@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Herts] Re: Too many candidates > > > Hi Brenda > >> Did you forget to type your message? >> Patti >> ----- Original Message ----- > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, > wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this > area is encouraged. > >