Hi All, I forgot who did the original posting, I have Carrington in Enfield so this website below was quite helpful to me. There IS a .....FOUNTAIN.... connection.... the research based around 1861 and 1901 in Edmonton and Tottenham, ....and I believe he is researching those lines so he may be able to help. Sorry, but I can not remember the gentleman's name...this is his email address- research@carrington.f2s,com <research@carrington.f2s,com> Website:.... http://www.carrington.f2s.com/Photo/Family%20Photo.htm hope it helps, regards, Angela. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Massey" <donaldmasseyuk@yahoo.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [Herts] FOUNTAIN surname > If you find an Ivinghoe (Bucks) connection, let me know! > > Donald Massey > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >I seem to recall some people on the list were researching the FOUNTAIN > > surname when I was subscribed some time ago. > > > > I am trying to track down my ggg grandmother Hannah Elizabeth FUSEDALE nee > > FOUNTAIN who died in 1833 aged 38. She was living in Shenley when she > > died, > > but she and John FUSEDALE married in Christchurch Spitalfields in 1815. I > > searched the 1861 census in the hope of finding a male or unmarried female > > of a similar age who might possibly be a sibling, and found a George > > William FOUNTAIN who appears to have been born in Enfield. I know it's not > > Hertfordshire, but does anyone have a branch of Fountains in Enfield? > > > > ______________________________

Try www.1837online.com : it will cost you money, but is well worth while and you can follow up other leads at the same time. Donald Massey ----- Original Message ----- > can a kind soul please help me find a marriage certificate for 1907 or > 8 for a WILLIAM JOSEPH SMITH to EMILY CHARGE in watford.Thank you.

Hi Watford Central library holds all copies of the Watford Observer from its conception to date on fiche/film.... unfortunatly its not indexed, so it would mean trawling through the newspaper for a couple of weeks after the date of the event.... Alternatively, if on the death certificate there is shown a date of the inquest and who perfomred it then you could try writing to : Her Majestys Coroner for the district of West Hertfordshire Leahoe House County Hall Hertford SG13 8DH or you could ring them on 01992 556516/556517 I have found them to be very helpful and efficient in the past...and they may still hold the inquest records for this incident.... You might like to know that Westfield Avenue runs directly pararell to the Radlett Road, and the River Colne is situated in the playing fields across the Radlett Road from Westfield Avenue. both still exist today, so if you were to look at a map of Watford, then you will be able to see how close they are to each other... not far at all for a two year old to wander.... Hope that this helps.... Kind regards Tezz _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Dear All Hoping to find parents of Sarah Austin b 1857 Croxley Green She is with grandparent on 1871 Should be in Croxley in 1861 so if any one has access I would be very grateful many thanks Helen in lancashire

Dear All If anyone has access to the Bovingdon census for 51 could they please look for Jane Austin b abt 1812 Bovington Jane Austin b abt 1836 Bovingdon Sarah Austin b abt 1839 Bovingdon Would love to know who Jane is married to as assume one of mine Many thanks for any help . Think Jane is married to someone born Rickmansworth (fingers crossed) Helen in Lancashire

Hi, Could someone please look up / tell me how to find the burials of two sisters who both lived in St Andrew's St, Hertford and also attended St Andrew's C/E Church there. They are: JANE SQUIRE, b. 1802, did not marry and is not in the 1881 Census Records. MARIA EVANS, b. 1806 and who is listed as a widow in the 1881 Census. Thanks in anticipation, Noeline Mearing, Wollongong, NSW, Australia.

Geoff, THANK YOU SO MUCH you are so very kind. Best wishes Keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Morse" <geoff_morse@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Herts] marriage certificate - William Joseph SMITH to Emily CHARGE 1907/8 > Keith, your best bet from Malta is to get it online from the following > website > > http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ > > Geoff > > >>From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> >>Reply-To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >>To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [Herts] marriage certificate - William Joseph SMITH to Emily >>CHARGE 1907/8 >>Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:23:38 +0100 >> >>Hi, >> this is them for sure ! Thank you. Do i get the certificate from >> watford or london ? THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> >>Keith in Malta. > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving the messages individually or want them individually) or > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe.

Yo, Hugh, Thank you for the welcome message. This is my first posting to the list. I`m hoping that SKS can help me. I have the death certificate of Cynthia Ann Collins, aged two, daughter of John Anthony Collins, of 75, Westfield Ave., Watford, who drowned in the River Colne, Rudlett Rd., 13 th June, 1940. There would surely have been an inquest, and a report in the local newspaper. Can someone please point me in the right direction, as I am not of the area ? Best wishes, Ceri.

Thanks to all the help I've received from this list I've now made considerable progress with my RUDD family and I've managed to put together a tentative tree for John Bray RUDD'S family. As John is proving rather elusive in the 1851 census I don't at the moment have proof that he is part of the family. I wondered if anyone had access to the 1841 census for Sandon. If so I would be most grateful to have the details of the RUDD family who were probably living at Red Hill. Also I wondered if there are any marriage indexes for Hertfordshire so that I can find the marriage of William RUDD in about 1813. This is what the family looks like at the moment: William RUDD, born in about 1781 in Preston, Hertfordshire. He had the following children: 1. William RUDD, baptised on 16 October 1814 at Red Hill Independent, Sandon, Hertfordshire. In the 1871 census he was a wheelwright living at the Bucks Head Public House in Little Wymondley with his wife Elizabeth, 64, who was born in Reed, and his niece Emily, 13, who was born in Waltham Abbey. In 1881 his widowed daughter Sarah A WEST, 39, born in Little Wymondley was also living in the household together with a grandson Sarah E WEST, born 1871 in Stevenage. 2. Sarah RUDD, born about 1816 in Sandon. 3. Ann RUDD, baptised on 18 May 1818 at Red Hill Independent, Sandon. 4. Philip RUDD, baptised on 21 July 1822 at Red Hill Independent, Sandon. 5. Isaac RUDD, baptised on 21st July 1822 at Red Hill Independent, Sandon. In 1871 and 1881 he was an unmarried wheelwright living at the Public House, Red Hill, Sandon, with his unmarried sisters Sarah, Charlotte and Hephzibah. 6. Charlotte RUDD, born in 1824 in Sandon. 7. John Bray RUDD, born about 1826 in Sandon. He married Isabel Hunter in 1858 in Stepney, London. 8. Hephzibah RUDD, born about 1829 in Sandon. Best wishes Debbie Kennett

Hi I( think I am) registered on this rootsweb for the name of butterfield,so why do I get everyother persons messages and replies.nothing for butterfield , but all other surnames that people are chasing. thank you regards Josie Rod & Josie Butterfield Phone 08 8555 5431 Mobile: 0417 820 350 WEB Page: http://www.butterfield.bigpondhosting.com EMAIL : rodjosie@bigpond.net.au

Hi, this is them for sure ! Thank you. Do i get the certificate from watford or london ? THANK YOU SO MUCH. Keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Patterson" <prawm@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Herts] marriage certificate - William Joseph SMITH to Emily CHARGE 1907/8 >I used the free images available on the FreeBMD site >http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose.pl to look for Emily and then >checked the SMITHs for William and Joseph. There was nothing that matched >William or William Joseph but I found this one for Joseph - do you think >it's the one? > > December quarter 1905 > Watford Vol 3a Page 1365 > Emily CHARGE > Joseph SMITH > > Paula > > > >> Dear Geoff, >> Thanks for your kindness and help. >> 1901 census Emily was aged 18 living at home in watford william joseph >> smith was a lodger so it could be any date from then but i was lead to >> think it was 1908. >> There son ( my grandfather ) was born 1914 but they had children before >> this date. Once again.THANK YOU. >> >> Keith in Malta. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Geoff Morse" <geoff_morse@hotmail.com> >> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [Herts] marriage certificate - William Joseph SMITH to Emily >> CHARGE 1907/8 >> >> >>> Hi Keith, I had a quick look at the 1837online site, but didn't find an >>> Emily Charge marriage in Watford for 1907/08 - are you sure of the year? >>> I didn't look for William Smith because it is such a common name & there >>> will probably be number of them. I notice there are four Charge >>> marriages on FreeBMD between 1901 and 1909, but none of them is Emily. >>> One however is a James in 1907 which I also found on 1837online. Could >>> these Charge's be siblings of Emily? >>> >>> Geoff Morse >>> Hitchin, Herts, UK >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> >>>> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:25 PM >>>> Subject: [Herts] marriage certificate >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> can a kind soul please help me find a marriage certificate for >>>>> 1907 >>>> or 8 for a WILLIAM JOSEPH SMITH to EMILY CHARGE in watford.Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Keith in Malta. >>>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Hertfordshire FHS: >>> http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >> >> > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > encouraged.

Keith, your best bet from Malta is to get it online from the following website http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ Geoff >From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> >Reply-To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Herts] marriage certificate - William Joseph SMITH to Emily >CHARGE 1907/8 >Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:23:38 +0100 > >Hi, > this is them for sure ! Thank you. Do i get the certificate from >watford or london ? THANK YOU SO MUCH. > >Keith in Malta.

I used the free images available on the FreeBMD site http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose.pl to look for Emily and then checked the SMITHs for William and Joseph. There was nothing that matched William or William Joseph but I found this one for Joseph - do you think it's the one? December quarter 1905 Watford Vol 3a Page 1365 Emily CHARGE Joseph SMITH Paula > Dear Geoff, > Thanks for your kindness and help. > 1901 census Emily was aged 18 living at home in watford william joseph > smith was a lodger so it could be any date from then but i was lead to > think it was 1908. > There son ( my grandfather ) was born 1914 but they had children before > this date. Once again.THANK YOU. > > Keith in Malta. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Morse" <geoff_morse@hotmail.com> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Herts] marriage certificate - William Joseph SMITH to Emily > CHARGE 1907/8 > > >> Hi Keith, I had a quick look at the 1837online site, but didn't find an >> Emily Charge marriage in Watford for 1907/08 - are you sure of the year? >> I didn't look for William Smith because it is such a common name & there >> will probably be number of them. I notice there are four Charge marriages >> on FreeBMD between 1901 and 1909, but none of them is Emily. One however >> is a James in 1907 which I also found on 1837online. Could these >> Charge's be siblings of Emily? >> >> Geoff Morse >> Hitchin, Herts, UK >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> >>> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:25 PM >>> Subject: [Herts] marriage certificate >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> can a kind soul please help me find a marriage certificate for >>>> 1907 >>> or 8 for a WILLIAM JOSEPH SMITH to EMILY CHARGE in watford.Thank you. >>>> >>>> Keith in Malta. >>>> >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Hertfordshire FHS: >> http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > >

Some good news for you, Keith. I checked FreeBMD & found they don't yet have 100% cover for 1904 to 1906, so I checked 1837online for these years & found the following Emily CHARGE Dec 1905 Watford 3a 1365 I then checked for William Joseph SMITH, but couldn't find him in the same quarter. There was a William Henry SMITH married in Watford in the same quarter, but the reference was 3a 1346. Regards Geoff Morse

Hi Debbie, Have found William and Sarah on the 1851 census of Redhill in Sandon, but unfortunately no John. Will send the image off list. Janet. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: [Herts] John Bray RUDD >I wonder if anyone might be able to help with a baptism record for my great > great grandfather John Bray RUDD. He was born about 1826. According to > the > 1871 census he was born in Red Hill, Hertfordshire. In the 1881 census he > gave > his place of birth as Landown, Hertfordshire. I can't find Landown > anywhere > on Genuki or in my road atlas but there does seem to be a small village > called > Redhill which is near Wallington, Baldock and Letchworth. > > John moved to London where he married Isabel HUNTER on 27th November 1858 > in > Stepney. At the time of the marriage he was a licensed victualler but by > 1871 he was working as a wheelwright. > > I don't know how accessible the early Hertfordshire censuses are and I > don't > know when John moved to London but if anyone is able to locate him in > the > 1851 census I would also be most grateful. > > Debbie Kennett > Berkshire > Hertfordshire names include: > PIGG, WOLFENDEN/WOOLFENDEN, AMER and ANDREWS > Also researching CRUWYS worldwide > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. >

looking for Mansfield around Watford 1790-1820 thanks, Bryant---

Colin, Thanks a million. Keith. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin and Wendy Ward" <ward@candor.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Herts] marriage certificate > Hello Keith > > Have you tried 1837online, which has the full births, marriages and deaths > index for England and Wales? You can buy the equivalent of £5 worth of > units > which will enable you to carry out around 50 searches. This will give you > the reference which you will then need to apply to the General Register > Office for a copy of the certificate. The web site address is: > www.1837online.com > > Colin Ward > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:25 PM > Subject: [Herts] marriage certificate > > >> Hi, >> can a kind soul please help me find a marriage certificate for 1907 > or 8 for a WILLIAM JOSEPH SMITH to EMILY CHARGE in watford.Thank you. >> >> Keith in Malta. >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the > message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other > readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. >> >> >> > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com

Dear Geoff, Thanks for your kindness and help. 1901 census Emily was aged 18 living at home in watford william joseph smith was a lodger so it could be any date from then but i was lead to think it was 1908. There son ( my grandfather ) was born 1914 but they had children before this date. Once again.THANK YOU. Keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Morse" <geoff_morse@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Herts] marriage certificate - William Joseph SMITH to Emily CHARGE 1907/8 > Hi Keith, I had a quick look at the 1837online site, but didn't find an > Emily Charge marriage in Watford for 1907/08 - are you sure of the year? I > didn't look for William Smith because it is such a common name & there > will probably be number of them. I notice there are four Charge marriages > on FreeBMD between 1901 and 1909, but none of them is Emily. One however > is a James in 1907 which I also found on 1837online. Could these Charge's > be siblings of Emily? > > Geoff Morse > Hitchin, Herts, UK > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> >> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:25 PM >> Subject: [Herts] marriage certificate >> >> >>> Hi, >>> can a kind soul please help me find a marriage certificate for 1907 >> or 8 for a WILLIAM JOSEPH SMITH to EMILY CHARGE in watford.Thank you. >>> >>> Keith in Malta. >>> > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm

Hi Jane Although I actually live about 5 or 6 miles from Abbots, and have ancestors in St Lawrence's, I simply cannot find the time to get there, what with kids and work and all that! I can tell you however that John Dickinson had several paper mills around here. The one in Abbots Langley is called Nash Mills, and is still running today. I used to work at his first Mill at Croxley Green in the late 1970s, but that was demolished around 1981. His third Mill was (and still is) at Apsley near Hemel Hempstead. The first Mill (at Croxley) was built in 1801, and was so successful that the others were opened within a few years. The names of some of the paper they made were "Three Candles", "Basildon Bond". and "Croxley Script", and thes are still in shops around the world to this day. There would have been around 1,000 people working at the mill, with four shift managers each being in charge of about 200 men and women. If your ancestor was Shift manager at Nash Mills, he would have been very well known in the Village, and you may find him in local trade directories of the time. Anyway, when I finally get around to looking up my HOW ancestors in Abbots, I will remember your name, and try to find the memorial. Regards and best wishes Phil HOW ----- Original Message ----- From: <nich3046@tpg.com.au> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:15 PM Subject: St. Lawrence, Abbots Langley - Henry H. DARKE > Hello from a new lister. > I have finally discovered that my g.g.g.grandfather, Henry Hyett DARKE, > Birmingham born and bred, spent > the last years of his life in Hertfordshire (I think as manager of a paper > mill). > I have found that he is buried at St. Lawrence, Abbots Langley. > According to a microfiche of memorial inscriptions for that church, he is > in section C, C338. > The inscription reads: > "Henry Hyett DARKE > d. 30 Nov. 1871 > aged 59 years > Also Sarah Ann, d. 2 Oct 1887 aged 75 > Also daughter Sarah Jane > d 4 May 1932 aged 84" > > I was wondering if there are any Abbots Langley residents on the list, who > might be familiar with the > churchyard. I would dearly love to know what condition the memorial is in, > and if anyone could email a > digital photo, or "real" photo (all costs reimbursed of course) I would be > even happier! > But just to know it is still standing and in reasonable order would be > great, > Best regards, > Jane Nicholas > Melbourne, Australia > > ______________________________

My experience was that having been told that I had to pay per view $x which I did charging my credit card I was then told that there was nothing to view. Emailed them to say that I thought this was fraudulent but so far have not had any reply. I shall never try to used Ancestry.com again. Robin in West Oz