Hi Bev The only WADHAM in Archive CD Books Kelly's Directories of Hertfordshire 1912 and 1922 on CDs is WADHAM Arthur Ellsmere Road New Barnet Hockerill is a parish to the East of Bishops Stortford. I hope this helps you Regards Ron Ruislip Middlesex UK NEWLAND & COLLER family history From: "Bev Wadhams" <bev.wadhams@tesco.net> > Hello Listers > > Trying this one again as there may be some new listers who might be able to > help. > > Found some of my WADHAMS family at what looks like Meredith Cottage/s > Hockerill in 1910. > > Still trying to find out whereabouts it is in BS and also how long they may > have been there. > > Then in 1916 at 42 Elm Grove, Dunmow Road, Bishops Stortford. > > Have tried the on-line directories site but had no luck. > > Does any one have any local directories or maps etc for the time period that > might be able to help me. > > Thanks > Bev -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 01/04/05

Hi Can anyoenadvise me where i cna go to view or get ranscripst s of Aldenhams PR's please??? I want to research several families that can from that area pre civil registration.. Kind regards Tezz _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

Hello Listers Trying this one again as there may be some new listers who might be able to help. Found some of my WADHAMS family at what looks like Meredith Cottage/s Hockerill in 1910. Still trying to find out whereabouts it is in BS and also how long they may have been there. Then in 1916 at 42 Elm Grove, Dunmow Road, Bishops Stortford. Have tried the on-line directories site but had no luck. Does any one have any local directories or maps etc for the time period that might be able to help me. Thanks Bev

I appreciate these details may be a little earlier than what you are currently working with, but I have an Anthony Judd (bapt 1 Jan 1588 Banbury, Oxon) who married a Joane GEORGE (bapt 7 Nov 1591 Fritwell, Oxon) on 24 June 1612 in Banbury, Oxford. Joane Judd died/buried 1 Aug 1625 in Banbury. I also have a note that the GEORGE family were of Norfolk as well so this may give you some direction and another place to look. My own Judd(e) family were of Norfolk, Suffolk, Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire and Warwickshire. I would appreciate any references to the surname Judd(e) should you come across any details in respect of your GEORGE research. Should you have any more on Joane GEORGE, details would be appreciated. David Judd ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlRose509@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: [HRT] GEORGE family of Hemel Hempstead (1830-1871) > Alfred GEORGE, born 1853 christened 25 Sep 1854, son of Alfred & Elizabeth > GEORGE. > > Christening took place at the Church of England parish church Hemel > Hempstead. > > Can anyone help with maiden name of Elizabeth? > > Which church would be the "parish church" of Hemel Hempstead? > ------------ > other siblings in this family (son William is my ggf): > > Descendants of Alfred & Elizabeth(_____?) GEORGE .... my 2xggp > > 1 Alfred GEORGE b: Abt. 1832 Hemel Hempstead, Hertford, England > d: Bet. 1891 - 1901 England > Occupation 1881 shopman; 1871 laborer ;1886 Fishmonger 1891 fishmonger > Census 1881 St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England > Census 1871 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England > Census 1891 Battersea, Middlesex, Eng. > .. +Elizabeth UNKNOWN b: Abt. 1830 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England > m: Bet. abt 1851-1852 probably Hemel Hempstead > . 2 Elizabeth GEORGE b: Bet. 1851 - 1852 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire > . 2 Alfred GEORGE b: Dec 1853 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire > . 2 Emma GEORGE b: 12 Jun 1859 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire > . 2 Jane GEORGE b: 17 Jan 1863 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire > . 2 William GEORGE b 1: Bet. 1866 - 1867 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, > England > d: 22 Aug 1895 Pancras, London, England age 29 < GRO Volume 1b, page 61 > > > Occupation: Hardware & Grocery Mixture merchant > Occupation 1886 oilman > Occupation 1891 oilman > Census 1871 with parents (age 4) > Census: 1891 St Pancras, London, England ED 14a > ..... +Alice WINTERMEYER b 1: 08 Jul 1868 Bath, Somerset, England > d: Bet. Aug 1895 - Dec 1896 Pancras, London, England > m: 03 Jul 1886 St Pancras, London, England > Father: Heinrich WINTERMEYER Mother: Jane SOUTHEY > Occupation: 1881 Box maker (paper) > . 2 Alice GEORGE b: Abt. 1870 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England > ------------------ > > Thanks, > Al Rose > USA > see gedcom at: > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=butchrose > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe. >

Chris Are you sure the birth was ever registered? I have an illegitimate birth in my family too around 1910 and it appears the birth was never registered either, and this has been backed up by family members who remember the mother telling people she did not register the birth. Society's values were so different then that I guess turning up to register an illegitimate baby could have been an extremely traumatic thing for a young woman. Jennie Researching in HERTS: BUSHEL, KETTLE, SKEGGS, WARD -----Original Message----- From: CEGaules62@aol.com [mailto:CEGaules62@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:50 AM To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] RE: SON OF ELSIE DAVEY My father, HARRY HESKINS; son of a HENRY JOSEPH HESKINS was born 23rd Feb 1917. His Mother is a ELSIE OLIVE DAVEY who was a orphan herself and was bought up by the family of Davey's who owned the THREE HORSE SHOES PUB PINGREEN STEVENAGE.She fell pregnant at approx 17yrs old and they threw her out but was taken in by a family with church connections in BASILS RD. My father never knew his real dad cos he was killed in action DEC1916 and my father was born Feb 1917. Elsie went on to marry a HERBERT WILLIAM WITTERING and lived in WALKERN RD. Now here comes the problem ; i cant find my father's birth certificate anywhere having searched all the normal sources, ANY info or advice would be really appreciated. Many thanks Chris ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== To POST a message to this list use the address: eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving the messages individually or want them individually) or ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe.

I am searching for any information pertaining to Henry WILBOURN that was a Bargeman on the vessel "Five Sisters" in London, Middlesex at the time of the 1881 census. The Master of the vessel, Joseph RIDDLE, was my grgrandfather. Judy BC Canada

In a message dated 4/4/2005 4:39:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, david.judd3@btinternet.com writes: I also have a note that the GEORGE family were of Norfolk as well so this may give you some direction and another place to look. My own Judd(e) family were of Norfolk, Suffolk, Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire and Warwickshire. I would appreciate any references to the surname Judd(e) should you come across any details in respect of your GEORGE research. Should you have any more on Joane GEORGE, details would be appreciated. David, Will be glad to do so if I chance to find any info on the above. From what I see so far, the GEORGE surname was far from uncommon and fairly widespread. It has taken me some time to proceed each generation back. However, another researcher puts the origin of my GEORGE family in 1600s in Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire. Al Rose

I am fairly new to this list and would like to know if anyone else is researching the JOLLY and SEAR families in and around Hemel Hempstead. John Jolly of Gadebridge Farm died in 1875. Would he have owned the farm? I know that it is no longer there but was it a large farm and where could I get any info/pictures about it? Same with Durrants Farm in Northchurch where one of his sons lived. Also, does anyone remember it being called Jolly Farm? I have found the Sear family at various addresses in Hemel Hempstead (as well as Picotts End, Two Waters, Waters End) and I wondered if any of these houses still exist! 1851: 130 Chapel St 1861: 76 Queen St 187 Marlowes 1871: 165 Marlowes Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give. Barbara

It might give a location for ELIZABETH's BIRTHPLACE and non recorded Siblings; possibly an idea for a date for the marriage. . That could prove helpful - I am trying to go through 1851 Census at the moment to see if that is helpful but there are a lot of records for Hemel Hempstead and a few GEORGES. Ray _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlRose509@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: [HRT] Re: GEORGE family of Hemel Hempstead (1830-1871) > In a message dated 4/3/2005 3:54:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > corineous@btinternet.com writes: > International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 6 > Select records to download - (50 maximum) > 1. William GEORGE - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 13 JUN 1867 Leverstock Green, Hertford, England > Ray, thanks. > I found this family in the 1871 census of Hemel Hempstead. > > All but one of those IGI listings that you sent are the children of > Alfred & Elizabeth are of my family. > > The above William George would seem a perfect match for my great > grandfather ... but I had someone pull that actual record and found that > the mother > was not named Elizabeth, in spite of the IGI index referal. I suppose I > should > order the film from LDS and look myself ... but I am always on the road > (work > related) and just have not found the time. > > I'm curious why you think an 1861 census would be of help in > deterrmining > a maiden name fpr Elizabeth _____ George? > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the > message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other > readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. >

Hello Al Rose USA, I could not get the marriage on the IGI and FreeBMD has 2 marriages in the Surrey part of London. What I would suggest an appeal for a 1861 Census in Hemel. I looked in 1871 and I kept getting ALFRED GEORGE with birthplace Watford with the right age. But I thought ALFRED GEORGE might had got on the boat by this time so I did not pursue it.Have a look at the below; This is what came up on LDS site http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true You searched for: * George, Hertford, England, British Isles Father: Alfred , Mother: Elizabeth Exact Spelling: Off International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 6 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. William GEORGE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 13 JUN 1867 Leverstock Green, Hertford, England 2. EMMA GEORGE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 12 JUN 1859 3. EMMA GEORGE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 21 AUG 1863 Hemel Hempstead, Hertford, England 4. ALFRED GEORGE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 25 SEP 1854 Hemel Hempstead, Hertford, England 5. JANE GEORGE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 17 JAN 1863 6. JANE GEORGE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 21 AUG 1863 Hemel Hempstead, Hertford, England ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You searched for: * George, Surrey, England, British Isles Father: Alfred , Mother: Elizabeth Exact Spelling: Off International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 2 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. Eleanor Louisa George - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 06 MAY 1852 2. Eleanor Louisa George - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 23 MAY 1852 St George The Martyr, Southwark, Surrey, England ______________________________________________________________________________ Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlRose509@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: [HRT] GEORGE family of Hemel Hempstead (1830-1871) > Alfred GEORGE, born 1853 christened 25 Sep 1854, son of Alfred & Elizabeth > GEORGE. > > Christening took place at the Church of England parish church Hemel > Hempstead. > > Can anyone help with maiden name of Elizabeth? > > Which church would be the "parish church" of Hemel Hempstead? > ------------ > other siblings in this family (son William is my ggf): > > Descendants of Alfred & Elizabeth(_____?) GEORGE .... my 2xggp > > 1 Alfred GEORGE b: Abt. 1832 Hemel Hempstead, Hertford, England > d: Bet. 1891 - 1901 England > Occupation 1881 shopman; 1871 laborer ;1886 Fishmonger 1891 fishmonger > Census 1881 St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England > Census 1871 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England > Census 1891 Battersea, Middlesex, Eng. > .. +Elizabeth UNKNOWN b: Abt. 1830 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, > England > m: Bet. abt 1851-1852 probably Hemel Hempstead > . 2 Elizabeth GEORGE b: Bet. 1851 - 1852 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire > . 2 Alfred GEORGE b: Dec 1853 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire > . 2 Emma GEORGE b: 12 Jun 1859 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire > . 2 Jane GEORGE b: 17 Jan 1863 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire > . 2 William GEORGE b 1: Bet. 1866 - 1867 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, > England > d: 22 Aug 1895 Pancras, London, England age 29 < GRO Volume 1b, page > 61 >> > Occupation: Hardware & Grocery Mixture merchant > Occupation 1886 oilman > Occupation 1891 oilman > Census 1871 with parents (age 4) > Census: 1891 St Pancras, London, England ED 14a > ..... +Alice WINTERMEYER b 1: 08 Jul 1868 Bath, Somerset, England > d: Bet. Aug 1895 - Dec 1896 Pancras, London, England > m: 03 Jul 1886 St Pancras, London, England > Father: Heinrich WINTERMEYER Mother: Jane SOUTHEY > Occupation: 1881 Box maker (paper) > . 2 Alice GEORGE b: Abt. 1870 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England > ------------------ > > Thanks, > Al Rose > USA > see gedcom at: > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=butchrose > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. >

Does anyone out there have a Henry WILBOURN that was 35 years of age at the time of the 1881 census and was working as a bargeman for a Joseph RIDDLE on the vessel "Five Sisters"? Joseph RIDDLE is my grgrandfather and was born in Ware, Herts but was obviously in London at the time of the census. Henry was from Ware also Did your ancestor know mine? Judy BC Canada

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In a message dated 4/3/2005 4:45:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, corineous@btinternet.com writes: I am trying to go through 1851 Census at the moment to see if that is helpful but there are a lot of records for Hemel Hempstead and a few GEORGES. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray, You are being very kind to help. I have Alfred George in 1851 census of Hemel Hempstead (he is 1st entry below): The 1851 census index for Hemel Hempstead lists the following GEORGE entries (address and then name and age): 127 Chapel St - ***Alfred 18***, Emma 20, George 13, Henry 9, John 41 113 Bury Mill End Hill - Elizabeth 1, George 45, Henry 6, John 13, Joseph 8, Rachael 21, Rebecca 49 42 Coxs Pond - Elizabeth 60, John 53 4 Agnells Farm - Isaac 25 140 Marlowes -Emily J 14 16 High St Green, Hobletts Orchard - Jane 41 32 The Yew Tree Farm - George 19 50 High Street - Sarah 7 40 Cupid Green - Henry 31,Louisa 8,Lydia 32,Mary 58,Mary Ann 20,Mary Ann 11,Matthew 60,Sophia 46 95 Workhouse - William 5 1 Informary - William 17 -------------- So ... Alfred & Elizabeth were not married until after this census date (if this is the right Alfred). -------------- 1871 England Census Name: Alfred George Age in 1871: 38 (on 3 April 1871) Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Hemel Hempstead Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Hemel Hempstead County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address: Bennetts end Condition as to marriage: married Education: Employment status: Occupation: laborer Source information: RG10/1387 Registration district: Hemel Hempstead Sub-registration district: Hemel Hempstead ED: 12 Folio: 106 Page: 12 Household schedule number: 62 Household: wife (Elizabeth age 40), daus: Elizabeth age 19, Emma age 11, Jane age 8, Alice age 1 son William age 4 .... all in family born Hemel Hempstead (including wife Elizabeth). ------------------------ So given Elizabeth and Alfred both of Hemel Hempstead, marriage should be there. ----------------------- Ray, you are right about the 1861 census ... I don't have that data. ----------------------- The 1881 census search has provided a couple of mysteries: Dwelling:75 Chalton St 1881 Census Place:St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source:FHL Film 1341044 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0198 Folio 44 Page 24 MarrAgeSexBirthplace Alfred GEORGEM49 MHemel Hempstead Rel:Head Occ:Shopman Fanny GEORGEM37 FNorfolk, England Rel:Wife John GEORGE 9 MSt Pancras, Middlesex Rel:Son Occ:Scholar William GEORGE 4 MSt Pancras, Middlesex Rel:Son Minnie GEORGE 2 FSt Pancras, Middlesex Rel:Daur In 1881, the only Alfred George is with what would have to be a second wife. This Alfred George is living but a few houses away from the parents of Alice (Wintermeyer) George. However, the fact that this Alfred already has a son, William, 10 years younger, makes it difficult to place Wm in his household. It is possible that they had different middle-given name combinations. Alfred may have re-married ? Or perhaps the entry for William should be 14 rather than 4. This Alfred is a shopman which is a close match Wm's marriage record for father's occupation of fishmonger and born in the same town as Wm George born 1866-67. The brother of Alfred (William George born 05 Apr 1838) and rather well-off resident of Watford Urban was also alternatively known as a fishmonger, merchant, or shopman in census. Family notes say he owned several businesses/shops throughout the Greater London area. Al Rose http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=butchrose

I wonder if there is sks that could help me with a look up on 1861 census for a John BROWN and his wife Emily 'ORNANT'.living at 85 Old Park St, Hitchin.she is shown on the 1871 census b Ickleford, with the spelling of that surname.Also with this family is a Eliza A 12 written as a boarder In the next house, 86 Old Park St, Hitchin, on this census is another lady who is head Catherine b Ickleford Widow with a daughter Mary A. Also can't find marriage of John BROWN to this Emily ORNANT. which i think would be about 1860 Thanks Eunice Australia

In a message dated 4/3/2005 3:54:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, corineous@btinternet.com writes: International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 6 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. William GEORGE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 13 JUN 1867 Leverstock Green, Hertford, England Ray, thanks. I found this family in the 1871 census of Hemel Hempstead. All but one of those IGI listings that you sent are the children of Alfred & Elizabeth are of my family. The above William George would seem a perfect match for my great grandfather ... but I had someone pull that actual record and found that the mother was not named Elizabeth, in spite of the IGI index referal. I suppose I should order the film from LDS and look myself ... but I am always on the road (work related) and just have not found the time. I'm curious why you think an 1861 census would be of help in deterrmining a maiden name fpr Elizabeth _____ George?

My father, HARRY HESKINS; son of a HENRY JOSEPH HESKINS was born 23rd Feb 1917. His Mother is a ELSIE OLIVE DAVEY who was a orphan herself and was bought up by the family of Davey's who owned the THREE HORSE SHOES PUB PINGREEN STEVENAGE.She fell pregnant at approx 17yrs old and they threw her out but was taken in by a family with church connections in BASILS RD. My father never knew his real dad cos he was killed in action DEC1916 and my father was born Feb 1917. Elsie went on to marry a HERBERT WILLIAM WITTERING and lived in WALKERN RD. Now here comes the problem ; i cant find my father's birth certificate anywhere having searched all the normal sources, ANY info or advice would be really appreciated. Many thanks Chris

Alfred GEORGE, born 1853 christened 25 Sep 1854, son of Alfred & Elizabeth GEORGE. Christening took place at the Church of England parish church Hemel Hempstead. Can anyone help with maiden name of Elizabeth? Which church would be the "parish church" of Hemel Hempstead? ------------ other siblings in this family (son William is my ggf): Descendants of Alfred & Elizabeth(_____?) GEORGE .... my 2xggp 1 Alfred GEORGE b: Abt. 1832 Hemel Hempstead, Hertford, England d: Bet. 1891 - 1901 England Occupation 1881 shopman; 1871 laborer ;1886 Fishmonger 1891 fishmonger Census 1881 St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Census 1871 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England Census 1891 Battersea, Middlesex, Eng. .. +Elizabeth UNKNOWN b: Abt. 1830 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England m: Bet. abt 1851-1852 probably Hemel Hempstead . 2 Elizabeth GEORGE b: Bet. 1851 - 1852 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire . 2 Alfred GEORGE b: Dec 1853 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire . 2 Emma GEORGE b: 12 Jun 1859 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire . 2 Jane GEORGE b: 17 Jan 1863 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire . 2 William GEORGE b 1: Bet. 1866 - 1867 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England d: 22 Aug 1895 Pancras, London, England age 29 < GRO Volume 1b, page 61 > Occupation: Hardware & Grocery Mixture merchant Occupation 1886 oilman Occupation 1891 oilman Census 1871 with parents (age 4) Census: 1891 St Pancras, London, England ED 14a ..... +Alice WINTERMEYER b 1: 08 Jul 1868 Bath, Somerset, England d: Bet. Aug 1895 - Dec 1896 Pancras, London, England m: 03 Jul 1886 St Pancras, London, England Father: Heinrich WINTERMEYER Mother: Jane SOUTHEY Occupation: 1881 Box maker (paper) . 2 Alice GEORGE b: Abt. 1870 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England ------------------ Thanks, Al Rose USA see gedcom at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=butchrose

some time ago I posted looking for Maddockses in Bishops Stortford in 1891. I have tracked down all my lost Maddocks orphans to darkest Surrey except one. It's a long shot but any chance that William George Maddocks was somehow living in Herts in 1861 he would only be 14 ish? Is there anywhere I could go to check the '61 Census? Philip Maddocks

CAN ANYONE HELP with the below families in Stevenage and surounding areas? I have come to a brick wall: I have the following information; CARTER ------------ I have a marriage of Thomas CARTER (born About 1770 in Hertfordshire) and Susannah CHAPMAN (born About 1773 in Hertfordshire married 11 Oct 1794) Children; 1. Susannah CARTER (born about 1797 at Shephall,Herts.) 2. Ann CARTER (ch. 7 Jan 1798-Stevenage, Herts.) 3. Rebbecca CARTER (ch. 3 Aug 1800-Stevenage,Herts) 4. John CARTER (ch. 5 Jun 1803-Stevenage,Herts) 5. Elizabeth CARTER (ch. 16 Mar 1806-Stevenage, Herts.) 6. James CARTER (ch. 16 Apr 1809-Stevenage,Herts) 4. John CARTER married Ann ANSELL (born about 1805 at Stevenage, Herts & married 3 Oct 1824) Children; 4a. William CARTER 4b. James CARTER 4c.Thomas CARTER HALSEY ----------- 5. Elizabeth CARTER married 9 Apr 1825 to James HALSEY HOLT -------- 2. Ann CARTER ( married 23 Apr 1816 James HOLT) ODELL ---------- 1. Susannah CARTER married 5 Aug 1815 to William ODELL (ch. 4 Aug 1793 at Graveley, Herts) Children; 1a. Mary Ann ODELL (ch. 24 Dec 1815 at Shephall,Herts.) 1b. James ODELL (ch.13 Dec 1818 at Shephall,Herts.married 30 Apr 1838 Mary MASON) 1c. George ODELL (ch. 16 Jun 1822-Shephall,Herts.) 1d. John ODELL (ch. 23 Dec 1827 a-Shephall, d.Dec 1901) 1e. William Henry ODELL (ch. 7 Aug 1836-Shephall,Herts.) 1f. Emma ODELL (born about 1840-Shephall,Herts.) PLUM --------- 1d. John ODELL married Sarah PLUM (married 12 Jul 1851 d.Jan 1912) WEBB ---------- 1f. Emma ODELL married Charles WEBB (ch. 1 May 1842-Ickleford,Herts. married 18 Jul 1869)

I am wondering if sks would help me please. all living in HITCHIN I have a family on a census in 1871 as follows John 32 head Emily 30 Wife Henry 11 Herbert 9 Jesse 6 Ann 3 Geroge 1 next census 1881 John 43 Head Emily 40 Wife Harry 20 (Henry) Jessie 16 (Spelling changed) George 11 Arthur 8 Emily 5 Agnes 1 (my grandmother) Next census 1891 John 53 Head Emily 50 Wife Annie (Ann) 23 Arthur 18 (M) Emily 15 Agnes 11 Alice 8 They move to Wellingborugh for the next census and John has died and mother remarries a Isaac SMITH 1901 census Isaac SMITH 64 b Rutland Emily (BROWN) 60 Emily (stepdaughter) 25 Agnes (ditto) 21 Alice (ditto) 8 I know that Alice and Annie moved to Wellingborough but think that were living in Hardwick, have to post on the Northants site for this information Iam wondering if the others died that were not on the certain census' above or they married and also they may have stayed in Hitchin area??? Who was Alfred's wife???? why was he living at home with parents????? Regards from downunder in sunny Melbourne Eunice