I have ancestors who were not baptised until after two years old. Do you know her date of birth? It was sometimes written in the margin in Church Baptism records especially, I have noted, when there has been a large gap between birth and baptism. Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ottypotty@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:14 AM Subject: [HRT] AGE OF MARRIAGE QUERY > Dear All > > I have a Sophia Austin bap 1807 Rickmansworth . Would it be possible to > marry > in 1820 in Berkhamstead to george garnett . She would have been just over > 14 > years old at the time. Is that too young in those days. > > THere is another sophia bap 1803 to same family so assume she died before > the > 1807 was born. Berkhamstead seem to have most bap on IGI and there is not > one born there. I know this is a long shot but firstly is it feasible > > Many thanks Helen in Lancashire > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > encouraged. > >

Dear list I would like to thank William for his quick and kind response in assisting me on the above subject. Thank you Kind regards Brian

Dear All I have a Sophia Austin bap 1807 Rickmansworth . Would it be possible to marry in 1820 in Berkhamstead to george garnett . She would have been just over 14 years old at the time. Is that too young in those days. THere is another sophia bap 1803 to same family so assume she died before the 1807 was born. Berkhamstead seem to have most bap on IGI and there is not one born there. I know this is a long shot but firstly is it feasible Many thanks Helen in Lancashire

Hi Becky, I have Mary Barker from Hitchin who I am trying to tally up with my family tree. Her daughter Martha Barker was a witness at one of my ancestors wedding. His name was Joseph Barker and I am trying to find out if they were related. Do you have any of these names? Would love to hear from you if you do. regards Penny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Hanna" <marinebiogirl@gmail.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: [HRT] 1851/61 Census Look Ups (Hitchin) > Hi, I'm hoping someone can help me. I've already posted this to the > Rootsweb message board with no response, so apologies to anyone reading > this twice. If anyone has the time to check either census for my ancestors > I'd be incredibly grateful! > > In the 1851 census I'm looking for my ancestor Mary Barker who should be > roughly fifteen years old and living in Hitchin. > > In the 1861 census Mary Barker should be about twenty five, and should be > living with her daughter Martha aged between four and seven. Again, they > should be living in Hitchin. > > I'd really appreciate any help, I'm trying hard to fill in the blanks with > this family but am a bit stuck right now! > > Thanks in advance, > > Becky H. > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > >

Thelma, Thank you so much for the look up, I'm fairly sure this is my Mary, as her family ties in with some other bits I found out last night! I read your other message too, I'd already found them on the 1881, but was really interested to find out who her mother was! I'm still not sure, it looks like it's likely Ann or Martha (the name connection would suggest Martha of course!) but who knows. And I've found her grandmother too, which is exciting! Thanks so much! Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thelma Wigley" <t.wig@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851/61 Census Look Ups (Hitchin) > Hi Becky > > Could this be your Mary in 1851? > > HO 107-1710 Folios 202-225 Page 17 Address: Folly, Hitchin > > Sarah Barker head 72 Wid(?) Straw Plaiter b.Essex Bradfield > Ann do dau 35 Unm do b. Herts, > Hitchin > Martha do do 29 do do > do > Harriet do do 21 do do > do > Elizabeth do granddaughter 17 Unm do do > Mary do do 14 do do > do > Emma do do 11 do do do > William do grandson 8 do do do > Charles do do 7 do do > do > George do do 6 do do > do > > Hitchin covers a large number of Folios but I don't think there were any > other Marys of the right sort of age - I also looked at the Preston area > of Hitchin. > > Hope that helps. > > Thelma

Alan, this is such great news your a star ! I wonder what became of william josephs father ? i looked on free bmd and found there marriage 1879 so Elizabeth horn is his mother your a real star words can not thank you enough. Best wishes. Keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Fincher" <alan_fincher@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] William/Elizabeth/Joseph SMITH, Marsworth & Tring > Keith, > > I think I may now have found Joseph Smith for you in 1891. > > At 1 Chapel Yard, New Town, Tring, Herts > > Ann HORN Head Widow Age 71 Straw Plaiter Born Tring Herts > Joseph SMITH Grandson Age 10 Scholar Born Tring Herts > (No other occupants) > > The reason I didn't find it before is that Joseph has been wrongly indexed > as aged 70 (!) > > So additionally it looks like Elizabeth SMITH may well have been born > Elizabeth HORN. > > Furthermore, I believe, that Ann HORN's age is 71, (it's indexed as 77, > but after ignoring an enumerator's mark, I think 71 is much more likely). > > In that case, I think this is probably Elizabeth with her family in 1871. > > No 1 County Lane Cottages, West Lea, Tring, Herts > > James HORN Head Aged 51 Farm Labourer Born Terriers End, Bucks > Ann HORN Wife Aged 51 Born Tring, Herts > Margaret Horn Dau Aged 22 Born Tring, Herts > Thomas HORN Son Aged 20 Labourer Born Terriers End, Bucks > Jonah HORN Son Aged 16 Born Tring, Herts > Elizabeth HORN Dau Aged 10 Born Tring, Herts > > (It's correct that only 2 of these show an occupation). > > Not your original question, exactly, but maybe useful to you ? > > Alan Fincher > Berkhamsted, Herts > > Janet Booth <janbooth@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > Here is William in the 1871 census of Marsworth: > PRO Ref RG10/1390. folio 20, page 5 > Schedule 17, Stanhopes End > > Joseph SMITH Head Mar 42 Farm > Labourer Bucks Marsworth > Mary do Wife Mar 43 Straw > Plaiter do do > Frederick do Son 14 > Farmers boy do do > William do do 12 > do do do do > Fanny do Daur 9 > Scholar plaiter do do > Charles do Son 6 > do do do do > George do do 4 > do do do do > Louisa do Daur 12 mo (?) > do do > > Joseph is still alive in the 1881 census, so you can look him up in the > IGI > 1881 census online. > > There is also the following William SMITH in the 1871 who perhaps could be > Joseph's father: > > RG10/1390, folio 28, page 21 > Schedule 104, Upper End, Marsworth > > Edward BOARDER(?) Head Mar 36 Farm Labourer > Bucks Marsworth Ivinghoe > Maria do Wife Mar 36 > Straw Plaiter do do do > Mary A do Daur 15 > do do do > Louisa do do 13 > do do do > Elizabeth do do 10 > do do do > William do Son 8 > Scholar plaiter do do > John do do > 4 do do do do > William SMITH Gd Father Widower 75 Farm Labourer > do do > > Hope this helps. > > Janet. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keith hammond" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [HRT] 1891 census please ? > > >> Thank you so much.Do you have the 1871 for william. >> >> Keith in Malta. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet Booth" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [HRT] 1891 census please ? >> >> >>> Hi Keith, >>> >>> I think I may have found Elizabeth for you: >>> >>> RG12/1142, folio 47, page 3, Ecclesiastical Parish St Mary, Town >>> Wendover, Bucks >>> Schedule 17, Wendover Lodge >>> >>> John W MARKHAM Head M 38 Farmer Derbyshire >>> Bretby >>> Mary do Wife M 37 Bucks >>> Mentmore >>> Jack S do Son S 3 >>> Bucks Wendover >>> Matthew COX Nephew S 23 Assistant - >>> Farmers nephew do Mentmore >>> Elizabeth SMITH Serv M 30 Domestic >>> Servant Cook Herts Tring >>> Harriet BONNICK Serv S 22 do do >>> Housemaid Northampton >>> >>> However, I can find neither William nor Joseph on Ancestry 1891 census >>> no >>> matter how I search for them and given that Elizabeth (if this is the >>> correct one) says she is married, William should certainly be there. I >>> also went back on to the 1871 census to check William's birthplace and >>> it >>> is definitely given as Marsworth there. I have also looked on the 1901 >>> and could not find William or Joseph. Sorry not to have been more help. >>> >>> Janet Booth. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "keith hammond" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:47 AM >>> Subject: [HRT] 1891 census please ? >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> can anyone please help with an 1891 census for this family ? i am >>>> posting them in 1881.Thank you. >>>> >>>> Keith in Malta. >>>> Willm. SMITH Head M Male 20 Marsworth, Buckingham, >>>> England Lab (G) >>>> Elizabeth SMITH Wife M Female 20 Tring, Hertford, >>>> England >>>> Joseph SMITH Son Male 6 m Tring, Hertford, England >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Source Information: >>>> Dwelling Model Row >>>> Census Place Buckland, Buckingham, England >>>> Family History Library Film 1341357 >>>> Public Records Office Reference RG11 >>>> Piece / Folio 1474 / 57 >>>> Page Number 4 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >>>> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the >>> message you are replying to. 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Joan A few months ago I saw your message offering to look up M.I.s in Sarratt. I am interested in the names ATKINS and BLUFF in Sarratt and would be very grateful if you could check your booklet to see if there are any references to these two names. Many thanks. Lyn

Hi 'B' They are still in Portland street in 1871. emma aged 14 is at home and new ones for you since 1861 are Rose(7) Alfred(4) and Lillian R (1 month) I have sent the relevant image offlist Regards,William wgra0331@bigpond.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: <BCockell@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: [HRT] Census 1871 - Name - Cockle > Dear list > Would it be possible for sks to assist with the 1871 Census for St Albans. > Assumed address was Portland Street, St Michael's, St Albans, Herts. > William Cockle, abt 47y as head of family with wife Sarah. ---------------------------------------snipped a bit-----------------------------------

Dear Lister, I'm pretty sure that my GGG Grandparents were Robert PALLETT (1761 - 1832) and Elizabeth INNS (1767 - 1830), both of the Aston/Stevenage area. If anyone connects with either family I would be please to hear from them. Also if there is a connection with Jeremiah INNS who was seemingly a man of some substance in the Stevenage area, evidence as follows: Newspaper Cutting (The Times) 2/11/1945: 'Wills and Bequests Gift for Hospital Mr Jeremiah INNS, of Stevenage, Herts, left £1,080,982. He bequeathed his residence and effects to his wife during widowhood and then, if his residence is accepted, as a hospital to the Stevenage Urban District Council for a hospital together with £10,000; a piece of land, not exceeding one acre and £9,000 for four almshouses for poor persons resident in Stevenage for five years, and a similar bequest for four almshouse in Aston, Herts.' Yours, etc. Geoffrey Woollard in Cambridgeshire.

Keith, I think I may now have found Joseph Smith for you in 1891. At 1 Chapel Yard, New Town, Tring, Herts Ann HORN Head Widow Age 71 Straw Plaiter Born Tring Herts Joseph SMITH Grandson Age 10 Scholar Born Tring Herts (No other occupants) The reason I didn't find it before is that Joseph has been wrongly indexed as aged 70 (!) So additionally it looks like Elizabeth SMITH may well have been born Elizabeth HORN. Furthermore, I believe, that Ann HORN's age is 71, (it's indexed as 77, but after ignoring an enumerator's mark, I think 71 is much more likely). In that case, I think this is probably Elizabeth with her family in 1871. No 1 County Lane Cottages, West Lea, Tring, Herts James HORN Head Aged 51 Farm Labourer Born Terriers End, Bucks Ann HORN Wife Aged 51 Born Tring, Herts Margaret Horn Dau Aged 22 Born Tring, Herts Thomas HORN Son Aged 20 Labourer Born Terriers End, Bucks Jonah HORN Son Aged 16 Born Tring, Herts Elizabeth HORN Dau Aged 10 Born Tring, Herts (It's correct that only 2 of these show an occupation). Not your original question, exactly, but maybe useful to you ? Alan Fincher Berkhamsted, Herts Janet Booth <janbooth@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: Here is William in the 1871 census of Marsworth: PRO Ref RG10/1390. folio 20, page 5 Schedule 17, Stanhopes End Joseph SMITH Head Mar 42 Farm Labourer Bucks Marsworth Mary do Wife Mar 43 Straw Plaiter do do Frederick do Son 14 Farmers boy do do William do do 12 do do do do Fanny do Daur 9 Scholar plaiter do do Charles do Son 6 do do do do George do do 4 do do do do Louisa do Daur 12 mo (?) do do Joseph is still alive in the 1881 census, so you can look him up in the IGI 1881 census online. There is also the following William SMITH in the 1871 who perhaps could be Joseph's father: RG10/1390, folio 28, page 21 Schedule 104, Upper End, Marsworth Edward BOARDER(?) Head Mar 36 Farm Labourer Bucks Marsworth Ivinghoe Maria do Wife Mar 36 Straw Plaiter do do do Mary A do Daur 15 do do do Louisa do do 13 do do do Elizabeth do do 10 do do do William do Son 8 Scholar plaiter do do John do do 4 do do do do William SMITH Gd Father Widower 75 Farm Labourer do do Hope this helps. Janet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith hammond" To: Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] 1891 census please ? > Thank you so much.Do you have the 1871 for william. > > Keith in Malta. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Booth" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:03 PM > Subject: Re: [HRT] 1891 census please ? > > >> Hi Keith, >> >> I think I may have found Elizabeth for you: >> >> RG12/1142, folio 47, page 3, Ecclesiastical Parish St Mary, Town >> Wendover, Bucks >> Schedule 17, Wendover Lodge >> >> John W MARKHAM Head M 38 Farmer Derbyshire >> Bretby >> Mary do Wife M 37 Bucks >> Mentmore >> Jack S do Son S 3 >> Bucks Wendover >> Matthew COX Nephew S 23 Assistant - >> Farmers nephew do Mentmore >> Elizabeth SMITH Serv M 30 Domestic >> Servant Cook Herts Tring >> Harriet BONNICK Serv S 22 do do >> Housemaid Northampton >> >> However, I can find neither William nor Joseph on Ancestry 1891 census no >> matter how I search for them and given that Elizabeth (if this is the >> correct one) says she is married, William should certainly be there. I >> also went back on to the 1871 census to check William's birthplace and it >> is definitely given as Marsworth there. I have also looked on the 1901 >> and could not find William or Joseph. Sorry not to have been more help. >> >> Janet Booth. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "keith hammond" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:47 AM >> Subject: [HRT] 1891 census please ? >> >> >>> Hi, >>> can anyone please help with an 1891 census for this family ? i am >>> posting them in 1881.Thank you. >>> >>> Keith in Malta. >>> Willm. SMITH Head M Male 20 Marsworth, Buckingham, >>> England Lab (G) >>> Elizabeth SMITH Wife M Female 20 Tring, Hertford, >>> England >>> Joseph SMITH Son Male 6 m Tring, Hertford, England >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Source Information: >>> Dwelling Model Row >>> Census Place Buckland, Buckingham, England >>> Family History Library Film 1341357 >>> Public Records Office Reference RG11 >>> Piece / Folio 1474 / 57 >>> Page Number 4 >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >>> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >>> >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the >> message you are replying to. 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Thanks anyway Al! Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlRose509@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:56 PM Subject: [HRT] Re: Old Hemel Hempstead and Independent Chapel > In a message dated 4/10/2005 2:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, > bmls19130@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > I have found the Sear family at various addresses in Hemel Hempstead (as > well as Picotts End, Two Waters, Waters End) and I wondered if any of these > houses still exist! > 1851: 130 Chapel St > --------------------------------- > > Barbara, > Nice coincidence ... my GEORGE ancestors lived at 127 Chapel St in 1851. > Here is the family in 1851: > 127 Chapel St - Alfred 18, Emma 20, George 13, Henry 9, John 41 > (John at age 41 was a widower ... his wife, Jane, died prev to census) > > Cannot help with your question ... mine is about son of the above: > "Independent Chapel" of Hemel Hempstead where > Alfred GEORGE married Elizabeth JEFFS September 21, 1862 > > Anyone know something about this Chapel? > > Al Rose > North Carolina > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. > >

Becky - this Mary also appears on IGI , born 1836, still living at 'Folly' and still a straw plaiter with an unmarried daughter, Martha, 27, and two grandsons. Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Hanna" <marinebiogirl@gmail.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: [HRT] 1851/61 Census Look Ups (Hitchin) > Hi, I'm hoping someone can help me. I've already posted this to the > Rootsweb message board with no response, so apologies to anyone reading > this twice. If anyone has the time to check either census for my ancestors > I'd be incredibly grateful! > > In the 1851 census I'm looking for my ancestor Mary Barker who should be > roughly fifteen years old and living in Hitchin. > > In the 1861 census Mary Barker should be about twenty five, and should be > living with her daughter Martha aged between four and seven. Again, they > should be living in Hitchin. > > I'd really appreciate any help, I'm trying hard to fill in the blanks with > this family but am a bit stuck right now! > > Thanks in advance, > > Becky H. > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > >

Hi Becky Could this be your Mary in 1851? HO 107-1710 Folios 202-225 Page 17 Address: Folly, Hitchin Sarah Barker head 72 Wid(?) Straw Plaiter b.Essex Bradfield Ann do dau 35 Unm do b. Herts, Hitchin Martha do do 29 do do do Harriet do do 21 do do do Elizabeth do granddaughter 17 Unm do do Mary do do 14 do do do Emma do do 11 do do do William do grandson 8 do do do Charles do do 7 do do do George do do 6 do do do Hitchin covers a large number of Folios but I don't think there were any other Marys of the right sort of age - I also looked at the Preston area of Hitchin. Hope that helps. Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Hanna" <marinebiogirl@gmail.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: [HRT] 1851/61 Census Look Ups (Hitchin) > Hi, I'm hoping someone can help me. I've already posted this to the > Rootsweb message board with no response, so apologies to anyone reading > this twice. If anyone has the time to check either census for my ancestors > I'd be incredibly grateful! > > In the 1851 census I'm looking for my ancestor Mary Barker who should be > roughly fifteen years old and living in Hitchin. > > In the 1861 census Mary Barker should be about twenty five, and should be > living with her daughter Martha aged between four and seven. Again, they > should be living in Hitchin. > > I'd really appreciate any help, I'm trying hard to fill in the blanks with > this family but am a bit stuck right now! > > Thanks in advance, > > Becky H. > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > >

Hi, I'm hoping someone can help me. I've already posted this to the Rootsweb message board with no response, so apologies to anyone reading this twice. If anyone has the time to check either census for my ancestors I'd be incredibly grateful! In the 1851 census I'm looking for my ancestor Mary Barker who should be roughly fifteen years old and living in Hitchin. In the 1861 census Mary Barker should be about twenty five, and should be living with her daughter Martha aged between four and seven. Again, they should be living in Hitchin. I'd really appreciate any help, I'm trying hard to fill in the blanks with this family but am a bit stuck right now! Thanks in advance, Becky H.

Dear list Would it be possible for sks to assist with the 1871 Census for St Albans. Assumed address was Portland Street, St Michael's, St Albans, Herts. William Cockle, abt 47y as head of family with wife Sarah. To my knowledge they had several children, but as yet only confirmed 5 - George (b.1855), Emma (b.1856), William (b.1859), Eliza (b.1861) and Rosanna (b.1863) as yet haven't proved how long they lived. Any assistance would be appreciated.

Here is William in the 1871 census of Marsworth: PRO Ref RG10/1390. folio 20, page 5 Schedule 17, Stanhopes End Joseph SMITH Head Mar 42 Farm Labourer Bucks Marsworth Mary do Wife Mar 43 Straw Plaiter do do Frederick do Son 14 Farmers boy do do William do do 12 do do do do Fanny do Daur 9 Scholar plaiter do do Charles do Son 6 do do do do George do do 4 do do do do Louisa do Daur 12 mo (?) do do Joseph is still alive in the 1881 census, so you can look him up in the IGI 1881 census online. There is also the following William SMITH in the 1871 who perhaps could be Joseph's father: RG10/1390, folio 28, page 21 Schedule 104, Upper End, Marsworth Edward BOARDER(?) Head Mar 36 Farm Labourer Bucks Marsworth Ivinghoe Maria do Wife Mar 36 Straw Plaiter do do do Mary A do Daur 15 do do do Louisa do do 13 do do do Elizabeth do do 10 do do do William do Son 8 Scholar plaiter do do John do do 4 do do do do William SMITH Gd Father Widower 75 Farm Labourer do do Hope this helps. Janet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] 1891 census please ? > Thank you so much.Do you have the 1871 for william. > > Keith in Malta. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Booth" <janbooth@dsl.pipex.com> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:03 PM > Subject: Re: [HRT] 1891 census please ? > > >> Hi Keith, >> >> I think I may have found Elizabeth for you: >> >> RG12/1142, folio 47, page 3, Ecclesiastical Parish St Mary, Town >> Wendover, Bucks >> Schedule 17, Wendover Lodge >> >> John W MARKHAM Head M 38 Farmer Derbyshire >> Bretby >> Mary do Wife M 37 Bucks >> Mentmore >> Jack S do Son S 3 >> Bucks Wendover >> Matthew COX Nephew S 23 Assistant - >> Farmers nephew do Mentmore >> Elizabeth SMITH Serv M 30 Domestic >> Servant Cook Herts Tring >> Harriet BONNICK Serv S 22 do do >> Housemaid Northampton >> >> However, I can find neither William nor Joseph on Ancestry 1891 census no >> matter how I search for them and given that Elizabeth (if this is the >> correct one) says she is married, William should certainly be there. I >> also went back on to the 1871 census to check William's birthplace and it >> is definitely given as Marsworth there. I have also looked on the 1901 >> and could not find William or Joseph. Sorry not to have been more help. >> >> Janet Booth. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> >> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:47 AM >> Subject: [HRT] 1891 census please ? >> >> >>> Hi, >>> can anyone please help with an 1891 census for this family ? i am >>> posting them in 1881.Thank you. >>> >>> Keith in Malta. >>> Willm. SMITH Head M Male 20 Marsworth, Buckingham, >>> England Lab (G) >>> Elizabeth SMITH Wife M Female 20 Tring, Hertford, >>> England >>> Joseph SMITH Son Male 6 m Tring, Hertford, England >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Source Information: >>> Dwelling Model Row >>> Census Place Buckland, Buckingham, England >>> Family History Library Film 1341357 >>> Public Records Office Reference RG11 >>> Piece / Folio 1474 / 57 >>> Page Number 4 >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >>> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >>> >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the >> message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other >> readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > encouraged. >

Iam looking for Thomas Charles Dawson who died 28 May 1962 Hemel Hempstead,what cemetery would he have been buried in. Thank you Anita

Alan, Thank you. It seems i have problems to find them. Keith. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Fincher" <alan_fincher@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] 1891 census please ? > Keith, > > (For info: You have posted to a Herts list, I think, but Buckland, where > they are in 1881, is actually across the borders in Bucks...) > > I have had a quick look, but am struggling to find them as a family in > 1891, (perhaps someone else will spot what I have failed to?). > > I can see an Elizabeth Smith, (a 30 year old "Domestic Servant Cook", and > born in Tring), at Wendover Lodge, Wendover, Bucks. The household is that > of John W Markham, a 38 year old farmer born in Derbyshire, his wife, son > and nephew being at the same address. > > Curiously this Elizabeth Smith shows as married, (as opposed to widowed), > but there are no other Smiths at this address, just another servant, (born > in Northampton). > > Wendover is only about 3 miles from Buckland, by the way..... > > I can't find any other close match for Elizabeth, nor any obvious match > for William or Joseph in 1891. Equally I can't see any burial in Buckland > itself that might explain William or Joseph having dissapeared between > 1881 and 1891..... > > Alan Fincher > (Descended from a William Smith of Buckland, though mine was actually born > there [in 1855], and married to Ann, not Elizabeth) > > keith hammond <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> wrote: > Hi, > can anyone please help with an 1891 census for this family ? i am posting > them in 1881.Thank you. > > Keith in Malta. > Willm. SMITH Head M Male 20 Marsworth, Buckingham, England Lab (G) > Elizabeth SMITH Wife M Female 20 Tring, Hertford, England > Joseph SMITH Son Male 6 m Tring, Hertford, England > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Source Information: > Dwelling Model Row > Census Place Buckland, Buckingham, England > Family History Library Film 1341357 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 1474 / 57 > Page Number 4 > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe.

Thank you so much.Do you have the 1871 for william. Keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Booth" <janbooth@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] 1891 census please ? > Hi Keith, > > I think I may have found Elizabeth for you: > > RG12/1142, folio 47, page 3, Ecclesiastical Parish St Mary, Town Wendover, > Bucks > Schedule 17, Wendover Lodge > > John W MARKHAM Head M 38 Farmer Derbyshire > Bretby > Mary do Wife M 37 Bucks > Mentmore > Jack S do Son S 3 Bucks > Wendover > Matthew COX Nephew S 23 Assistant - > Farmers nephew do Mentmore > Elizabeth SMITH Serv M 30 Domestic > Servant Cook Herts Tring > Harriet BONNICK Serv S 22 do do > Housemaid Northampton > > However, I can find neither William nor Joseph on Ancestry 1891 census no > matter how I search for them and given that Elizabeth (if this is the > correct one) says she is married, William should certainly be there. I > also went back on to the 1871 census to check William's birthplace and it > is definitely given as Marsworth there. I have also looked on the 1901 > and could not find William or Joseph. Sorry not to have been more help. > > Janet Booth. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:47 AM > Subject: [HRT] 1891 census please ? > > >> Hi, >> can anyone please help with an 1891 census for this family ? i am >> posting them in 1881.Thank you. >> >> Keith in Malta. >> Willm. SMITH Head M Male 20 Marsworth, Buckingham, England >> Lab (G) >> Elizabeth SMITH Wife M Female 20 Tring, Hertford, England >> Joseph SMITH Son Male 6 m Tring, Hertford, England >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Source Information: >> Dwelling Model Row >> Census Place Buckland, Buckingham, England >> Family History Library Film 1341357 >> Public Records Office Reference RG11 >> Piece / Folio 1474 / 57 >> Page Number 4 >> >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >> > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the > message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other > readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement.

Hi, I am new to the list and live in Central Western NSW Australia. I am looking for Rev Maurice Phillips. On the reverse side of a morturary broach which must have come to Australia in the 1850s is "Rev Maurice Phillips died 1822, age 55." I have found the Rev Maurice Phillips on th 1822 PCC and Country Courts Index on the National Archives site. Executor is named as Esther Phillips of Harpenden Hrts. I have not made the link between my great grandmother Hannah Ada Sylvia Phillips (my dad said she was called Sylvia by the family) and the Rev Maurice. But think this broach with a plaited lock of hair must be the grandfather of Hannah Ada Sylvia born about 1843 'nr Bristol'. H.A.S States on her marriage certificate that her parents were John Phillips and Mary Ann Williams. Would be great to do a DNA test! I have looked on Family Search, Ancestry.com Genealogy.com for Maurice and for the marriage of John Phillips and Mary Ann Williams. Can anyone help please? Cynthia