I would like to make contact with anyone who may be connected to Henry Lawrence Hutton SURIE born Bedfort (Herts) (can't find it on my UK Road Atlas), Nov 25th, 1905. Great grandson of Hendrick Wilhelm SURIE and Elizabeth Wilhelmina SIEVERS. Peter Aust. Always researching, BATES, KNOWLES/ NOWLES/NOLES SIEVERS, SURIE.

Can't help with contacts but can help with the Atlas problem! I've just looked at the image of the GRO index for the birth registration for Henry and I found this entry Dec quarter 1905 Henry Lawrence H SURIE Registration district Bedford Volume 3b Page 274 Bedford district lies wholly inside of Bedfordshire (next county up from Herts) rather than Herts which is why you couldn't find it! Paula >I would like to make contact with anyone who may be connected to > Henry Lawrence Hutton SURIE born Bedfort (Herts) (can't find it on > my UK Road Atlas), Nov 25th, 1905. Great grandson of Hendrick > Wilhelm SURIE and Elizabeth Wilhelmina SIEVERS. > > Peter Aust. > > Always researching, BATES, KNOWLES/ NOWLES/NOLES > SIEVERS, SURIE. > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > >

Hi List Back still trying to piece together my FLECKNOE / NOR family. I am interested in the Tailor's shop which was at 20 UNION STREET, BARNET. According to the various directories, it was, in 1855 owned by GEORGE FLECKNOE, Tailor. I have a gap of about 25/30 years then it is subsequently, up to at least 1914, owned by WILLIAM FLECKNOE. This is who I believe to be my great grandfather as I have family information regarding my grandmother's brother, Leslie Flecknoe killed in France in 1915 with a transcript from the newspaper giving his parents address as 20 Union Street. Any information from any census or otherwise would be a bonus at this stage. Catherine Vincent

Can someone explain this to me? Why would anyone attempt to smuggle an illicit drug into Indonesia from Australia which has a street value of Sixty thousand dollars in Australia & Four thousand dollars in Indonesia? Given the Bali prosecution has said this is enough for four thousand people it would not be for personal use! Further, how is it those found guilty of involvement in the bombing that killed more than two hundred westerners in Bali are no longer in jail, but the Indonesians are seeking a life sentence for a crime that financially doe not add up. Is this the thanks for the aid raised in Australia and New Zealand for redevelopment following the tsunami disaster? Bugger Bali

Dear All Looking for a Jane Austin/ Austen age abt 4 in 1851 - hoping she is in Chipperfield / St albans area - possible father Arthur Austin mother Jane sibling Amelia Not sure whether there are 2 Janes to fit A Jane is with a Andrew Austin brother b 1852 in 1871- hoping 1851 will clear up if this is mine or not. Father had died by 71 Many thanks in anticipation Helen in Lancs

Dear Patricia I was interested in reading of your excitement trawling the Henlow and Arlesey villages and your discovery of all those relatives. I can't but help think that there can't be too many left to whom you are not connected:). I have an interest in Henlow which appears to be the roots of our family and I was wondering if your family might be connected to us. I will write down the ancestors in our line. John Sandon and Elizabeth Farre married 1559 Henlow John Sandon and Joan Allgood married 1586 Henlow Humphrey Sandon and Grace Turner married 1612 Therfield Humphrey(Umphrey) Sandon and Elizabeth Samuel Sandon and Elizabeth Humphrey Sandon and Elizabeth Hobbs married 1711 Henlow The family line then moved to Blunham and Shillington. We know very little of our family in Henlow and would dearly love to discover anything. Best wishes Clive Sandon Brisbane, Australia Researching Sandon, Sly, Bonus, Billing, Bush, Cox, Christian, King families in England/Australia 1850 to present day. > From: "patricia salter" <ps015p6402@blueyonder.co.uk> > Reply-To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:20:58 +0100 > To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HRT] Problems Searching 1891 Herts Census > Resent-From: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:21:03 -0600 > > May I suggest that it is usually far more rewarding to trawl through the > whole village on the census rather than just look for one person or one > family. Its amazing what you can find. I have just finished walking > through Henlow and Arlesey in 1851, lets say I knew there were at least 50 > family members in these two villages, however I now have probably over 500, > as I have found marriages and children I never even had an idea about. It > may be a slow way to do it, but I also have the IGI open on my screen, so > when I see a familiar name next door or close to one of my families I check > out the marriages or births on the IGI or BIVRI2, and lo and behold I have > another family to add to my tree - that happens time and time again. > Patti > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Ottypotty@aol.com> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:30 PM > Subject: Re: [HRT] Problems Searching 1891 Herts Census > > >> Having exactly the same problem with Herts and Middx where I know for >> certain >> where they were 1891. Think the best one is Huntingdonshire where the >> amount >> of people are classed as born Hungary. Even a guess on a hard to read >> census >> could never lead to this mistake surely. >> >> However with patience and using first name searches , birth year and p of >> b >> most of mine then turned up under the most ludicrously spelt surnames. >> >> >> Keep plugging away >> >> Helen >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> To POST a message to this list use the address: >> >> eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com >> >> 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: >> >> ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. >> receiving >> the messages individually or want them individually) or >> >> ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. >> receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) >> >> In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe >> or unsubscribe. >> >> >> > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding > the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration patterns, > immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, > vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged. >

RE Edwards Family. I am researching my husband's family who originated in St. Albans - at least as far back as I seem to get. John Edwards m Sarah Hill 13 June 1801. Their marriage was at St Stephens St. Albans. I cannot seem to get farther back than that. Hope we may have a contact. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: <GW5438@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: [Herts] CHALKLEY, TOOLEY, EDWARDS, Herts./Beds. borders > Dear Listers, > > I have just got into some more of my CHALKLEY, TOOLEY and EDWARDS rellies > who appear to have hung out in the mid to late 1800s on the Herts./Beds. > borders at such as Aston, Hitchin, Stevenage, Leighton Buzzard, Luton, Barton in > the Clay, Holwell, etc., and would be pleased to 'hear' from anyone with > connected interests. > > Yours, etc. > > Geoffrey Woollard in Cambridgeshire. > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. > >

Hi Clive Sorry I cant help you there, my lot seem to have drifted over to Henlow and Arlesey from Hertfordshire, I didnt realize I had so many relatives in Bedfordshire until I started trawling the censuses, regardless of the fact that I knew they ended up there, since I spent most of my summer vacations in those two places. Consequently I havent gone that far back with my Henlow and Arlesey forebears other than via the census. If you have anyone from Pirton, then I can take you back all the way to the 16th century, nearly everyone on Pirton parish registers seem to appear in my family tree. I'll keep your email on file so that if I come across any of those surnames as I go back in time with the Henlow/Arlesey rellies I will drop you an email. Regards Patti

Yo,Tezz, I have been in touch with the coroner`s office, and they have been very helpful. The people at the Watford Observer have confirmed that they do not have an archive department, but that Watford Central Library have a very good collection of old copies. Would you be kind enough to send me their telephone number ? Best wishes, Ceri. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ceri Hywel Davies" <CeriHDavies@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Herts] Re: Misadventure in Watford. > Yo, Tezz, > Many thanks for your information and suggestions. I shall > certainly follow them up. > > Best wishes, > > Ceri. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Family History" <genealogy101@hotmail.com> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:43 PM > Subject: RE: [Herts] Re: Misadventure in Watford. > > >> Hi >> >> Watford Central library holds all copies of the Watford Observer from its >> conception to date on fiche/film.... unfortunatly its not indexed, so it >> would mean trawling through the newspaper for a couple of weeks after the >> date of the event.... >> >> Alternatively, if on the death certificate there is shown a date of the >> inquest and who perfomred it then you could try writing to : >> >> Her Majestys Coroner for the district of West Hertfordshire >> Leahoe House >> County Hall >> Hertford >> SG13 8DH >> >> or you could ring them on 01992 556516/556517 >> >> I have found them to be very helpful and efficient in the past...and they >> may still hold the inquest records for this incident.... >> >> You might like to know that Westfield Avenue runs directly pararell to >> the Radlett Road, and the River Colne is situated in the playing fields >> across the Radlett Road from Westfield Avenue. both still exist today, so >> if you were to look at a map of Watford, then you will be able to see how >> close they are to each other... not far at all for a two year old to >> wander.... >> >> Hope that this helps.... >> >> Kind regards >> >> Tezz >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends >> http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >> > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the > message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other > readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. >

Robin, Thanks for the website. I had found it but I hadn't had the time to have a good look. regards Carolyn

May I suggest that it is usually far more rewarding to trawl through the whole village on the census rather than just look for one person or one family. Its amazing what you can find. I have just finished walking through Henlow and Arlesey in 1851, lets say I knew there were at least 50 family members in these two villages, however I now have probably over 500, as I have found marriages and children I never even had an idea about. It may be a slow way to do it, but I also have the IGI open on my screen, so when I see a familiar name next door or close to one of my families I check out the marriages or births on the IGI or BIVRI2, and lo and behold I have another family to add to my tree - that happens time and time again. Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ottypotty@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Problems Searching 1891 Herts Census > Having exactly the same problem with Herts and Middx where I know for > certain > where they were 1891. Think the best one is Huntingdonshire where the > amount > of people are classed as born Hungary. Even a guess on a hard to read > census > could never lead to this mistake surely. > > However with patience and using first name searches , birth year and p of > b > most of mine then turned up under the most ludicrously spelt surnames. > > > Keep plugging away > > Helen > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. > > >

Having exactly the same problem with Herts and Middx where I know for certain where they were 1891. Think the best one is Huntingdonshire where the amount of people are classed as born Hungary. Even a guess on a hard to read census could never lead to this mistake surely. However with patience and using first name searches , birth year and p of b most of mine then turned up under the most ludicrously spelt surnames. Keep plugging away Helen

Thank you so much. Keith. ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlRose509@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Watford cemeteries > In a message dated 4/19/2005 9:34:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, > ficus@euroweb.net.mt writes: > i wonder if anyone can tell me if there are any cemeteries in Watford ? > ------------------------------------ > > Kieth, there are at least two. > > here is a link: > > http://www.watford.gov.uk/ccm/content/technical-services/cemeteries.en > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com

Hi, i wonder if anyone can tell me if there are any cemeteries in Watford ? Thanks. Keith in Malta.

I'd welcome advice on difficulties I'm experiencing with searching the 1891 Herts census. I have access to the census via Ancestry (which for the most part has been well worth the subscription). However, I am finding that I cannot locate some of my Herts ancestors using the Ancestry search menu even though they were enumerated on the full census and can be found if you trawl through all the listings for the village/town where they lived. This is OK (if somewhat time consuming) for those ancestors for whom I have an idea of where they were living in 1891. However there are others whom I'm sure would have been in Herts in 1891, but as to exactly where I'm unsure! Has anyone else experienced this problem? Are there other online sources where I could go to search the 1891 census? Thanks Jennie Kennerley Researching in Herts: BUSHELL, KETTLE, PERRY, SKEGGS, TIPLER, WARD

Hi Jennie, This is almost certainly a transcription problem. I have had similar problems but have always managed to locate the family concerned with a little imagination. Did you realise you can search with just a first name? I have used this tack a few times. Pick the most unusual of the family's first names, add a year of birth plus or minus a couple of years, and either a place of residence, or a county of birth. Do not include a place of birth (In my experience, this is the most likeley thing to be mis-transcribed after the surname) Sometimes this method generates several hundred results, but they do occur in alphabetical order, so its relatively easy to scan down the list looking foe possible mis-transcription of the surname. Hope this helps Sandra Jennie & Brent Kennerley wrote: >I'd welcome advice on difficulties I'm experiencing with searching the 1891 >Herts census. > >I have access to the census via Ancestry (which for the most part has been >well worth the subscription). However, I am finding that I cannot locate >some of my Herts ancestors using the Ancestry search menu even though they >were enumerated on the full census and can be found if you trawl through all >the listings for the village/town where they lived. This is OK (if somewhat >time consuming) for those ancestors for whom I have an idea of where they >were living in 1891. However there are others whom I'm sure would have been >in Herts in 1891, but as to exactly where I'm unsure! > >Has anyone else experienced this problem? Are there other online sources >where I could go to search the 1891 census? > >Thanks >Jennie Kennerley >Researching in Herts: BUSHELL, KETTLE, PERRY, SKEGGS, TIPLER, WARD > > > > >==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged. > > > >

In a message dated 4/19/2005 9:34:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, ficus@euroweb.net.mt writes: i wonder if anyone can tell me if there are any cemeteries in Watford ? ------------------------------------ Kieth, there are at least two. here is a link: http://www.watford.gov.uk/ccm/content/technical-services/cemeteries.en

on 19/4/05 2:49 am, Jennie & Brent Kennerley at bjkennerley@xtra.co.nz wrote: > I'd welcome advice on difficulties I'm experiencing with searching the 1891 > Herts census. > > Has anyone else experienced this problem? Are there other online sources > where I could go to search the 1891 census? I've had exactly the same problem, not only with Herts but with other counties as well. Most of it seems to be down to the people indexing the Census now reading the surname correctly. I'm told (don't know if it's true) that much of the work was done in India. This means that if a surname is unclear, where English people could make an 'educated guess' based on knowledge of English names, the folk in India didn't have a hope of getting it right. When I've eventually found my ancestors by, in some cases, just entering first or last names and ages etc I've found them hard to read as well and I know what I'm looking for! Having said that, there have been others that have been plain to see but have been given ridiculous transcriptions. I'm afraid it's just a case of trial and error. Despite these problems I've found the subscription well worth the money and it has unlocked many of my family problem areas. Dot. in Salisbury

Cynthia, where did you get this NBI? I am looking for a couple of deaths not mentioned anywhere else (except by trawling thro' dozens of parish records) Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Foley" <pfo55884@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2005 08:54 PM Subject: [HRT] Maurice & Esther Phillips > Hi, I am new to the list. I have a morturary broach with the inscription on the reverse side which reads, Rev Maurice Phillips, died 1822 aged 55 years. > > >From the National Archives Wills and Admins 1796 to 1903 I found Rev Maurice Phillips, right dates. The executor was Esther (presumably his wife?). Location Harpenden HRTS. > > On the National Burial Index 2nd ed there is a Maurice Phillips age 55, died in January 1822 buried in London. Highly likely the same man. > > I have not made the link from Maurice & Esther to my great grandmother, Hannah Ada Sylvia Phillips who came to Australia in 1850s. Her parents according to her marriage certificate were John Williams and Mary Ann Williams. > > I have a couple of contenders in Wales for a John and Mary Williams in both 1834 and another in Wales in 1837. > > The first is the 10 March 1834 in Bedwelty, MOnmouth Eng, John Phillips m Mary Williams. > > Apart from having the morturary broach, I would not know that a Rev Maurice Phillips was lurking on the family tree. > > Hannah Ada Sylvia states on her marriage certificate that she was born nr Bristol. > My father said that Hannah Ada Sylvia was known as Sylvia, but if this was her last initial it is likely that the 's' is not recorded and there are many Hannahs (no Ada). > > There is nothing on IGI, PAF, Pallots for marriage of Maurice and Esther, but I could take a guess from the names that they might be Jewish. > > Can anyone help please? > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. > >

Could someone with access to the 1841 census kindly look for John Hills aged about 10 or 12 and his father William. John was born in Broxbourne/Hoddesdon. I haven't been able to trace him there in 1841. However, in 1853 he states on his marriage certificate that he is living in the "Parish of All Saints and St.John's - Hertford". I am hoping he was already living there in 1841. (On the 1851 census he appears in Stratford as he worked on the railway and was lodging there at the time of the census) Any help would be really welcome. Thanks. Thelma