Hello everyone, I've just learned that Charles Carter GODFREY lived in Perry Green, Much Hadham, during the WWII and believed to have died there. (born 1861)Because of the common name, we've not been able to zero in on his death in the Civil Registration Index. The LDS website indicates the microfilmed burials stop at 1928. Can someone please tell me what cemetery someone from Perry Green, Much Hadham, might be buried in? What would be the newspapers for this area to possibly find an obituary? Thank you Judy --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Does anyone know of a St. Agnes House in Watford that would have been operating in the 1900-1945 range? Apparently it was a home for women and children that needed assistance and I believe took in a fair amount of unwed mothers. Judy BC Canada

Hi all: New lister Loretta Thomas wrote: "Or a newspaper that I could send a "seeking" letter to?" Does anyone these days read newspaper personal ads of this type? If so, can anyone help with newspapers in the St. Albans. Herts, area? Since there seems to be a "black hole" there that seems to have swallowed up my Sarah J. Giles and her father George, as nobody seems to be able to find them there, my ad would read: Seeking Sarah J. GILES, b. abt. 1830 in St. Albans, Herts, d/o George GILES. Can SKS please contact me if she is anywhere in the area in the 1841 census, or possibly the 1851. By 1861 she is married and no longer in the area. She may have left even before 1851 for all I know. Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA.

Malcolm At present all of my Graham's are from the Northeast. John Message from "Mally Graham" <mally.graham@ntlworld.com> received on 13/05/2005 16:20 13/05/2005 "Mally Graham" <mally.graham@ntlworld.com> 16:20 Please respond to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent by "Mally Graham" <mally.graham@ntlworld.com> To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com cc: Subject: Re: [HRT] Davison John, aside from your Davison question, are you by any chance connected to the Grahams from Hitchin in the late 1800's? Just a wild shot in the dark. Malcolm Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: <john.grahamsmith@gb.abb.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: [HRT] Davison > > > > > New to the list, searching for Davison Family in Hertfordshire. > Jeremiah Davison m. Mary Friend at Watford on 01 Jul 1766. > Looking for their parents. > > John > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== For any updates our info about the status of this list go to http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com

Resubscribing after a break and would like to hear from anyone researching the JACKSON surname in Westmill and surrounding area. Regards Pearl --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more.

Has anyone any WARREN's in or around Hatfield 1800 and before Ray

Hi all, I'm new to this list and trying to find out something about Robert SIMON. Through a piece of sheer blind luck I discovered last week that he died in Watford, Herts., on 5 June 1939. Which explains why I haven't been able to find him in Wales! He is commemorated on his mother's gravestone at Llandrillo, as are two of his brothers who died in the USA. Robert's parents were Ellen THOMAS (c.1844-1906) and Walter SIMON (c.1843-1880). After Walter's death Ellen married Thomas PARRY (c1852-?). Robert's birth was registered in Aberayron in the December quarter of 1874, and his death in the June quarter of 1939 at Watford, aged 64. The cost of certs from Australia is fairly steep and I would rather try other avenues first. In 1891 Robert was living with his family in Llanynys, Denbighshire, and was an Ag Lab. By 1901 he had moved away - there is a possible Robert Owen SIMON of the right age, working as a Labourer in Chester - but he gives his birth place as the USA. Maybe he went to the USA with his brothers and, when he returned, it suited him to say he was born there? Or maybe it was just a case of confusion, especially if he was recently returned. We would love to know if he had a family, or if anyone remembers him - we have a lot family information we'd be delighted to share, particularly on the Australian branch and hisWelsh forebears. His uncle, Ellen's brother, moved to Australia and became my husband's great-grandfather. I don't know Robert's occupation, apart from labourer - would he feature in a directory or telephone book? Where is he likely to be buried? Are there any Herts burial records that might be available at a local (Aus) genealogical society? Or a newspaper that I could send a "seeking" letter to? So many questions! Many thanks, Loretta THOMAS Melbourne, Australia

John, aside from your Davison question, are you by any chance connected to the Grahams from Hitchin in the late 1800's? Just a wild shot in the dark. Malcolm Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: <john.grahamsmith@gb.abb.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: [HRT] Davison > > > > > New to the list, searching for Davison Family in Hertfordshire. > Jeremiah Davison m. Mary Friend at Watford on 01 Jul 1766. > Looking for their parents. > > John > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > >

Has anyone any WARREN's in or around Hatfield 1800 and before Ray

New to the list, searching for Davison Family in Hertfordshire. Jeremiah Davison m. Mary Friend at Watford on 01 Jul 1766. Looking for their parents. John

Yes, I would also wonder if the birth wasn't registered. I have a relation born out of wedlock in 1906 and his birth was also never registered. We know for this sure because his mother told him so when he was in his 60s and needing to produce his birth certificate to apply for a pension! It seems failing to register births wasn't uncommon. Hope you can find some other clues to help instead! Jennie Researching in Herts: BUSHELL,GRIMES,KETTLE,SKEGGS,TIPLER,WARD -----Original Message----- From: CEGaules62@aol.com [mailto:CEGaules62@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:37 PM To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] RE: WALTER & LAURA WORKMAN OF HITCHIN Can anybody please help me? These two characters came to Stevenage and left their baby girl with the owners of the "Three Horshoes Pub Pin Green whilst they went off too market and never returned for her ! She was then bought up by them , the DAVEY Family and was known by that name, ELSIE DAVEY. When she was about 19yrs she fell pregnant by a young soldier and had a son ...Harry who is my Father.Sadly the father died in action so never came home ; this was in 1917. I cant find a birth certificate anywhere for him, either Davey or the surname of his father .....HESKINS. Any further information on this, or help much appreciated. Chris ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== Hertfordshire FHS: http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm

Hi There, It is possible his birth was never registered. I do have same problem with one of mine. He could of course be in Baptisimal Registers where he was born if you know what area that was. Difficult one. My one is from Herts funny enough. Hope someone may be able to help you more, Best wishes Sandra CEGaules62@aol.com wrote: Can anybody please help me? These two characters came to Stevenage and left their baby girl with the owners of the "Three Horshoes Pub Pin Green whilst they went off too market and never returned for her ! She was then bought up by them , the DAVEY Family and was known by that name, ELSIE DAVEY. When she was about 19yrs she fell pregnant by a young soldier and had a son ...Harry who is my Father.Sadly the father died in action so never came home ; this was in 1917. I cant find a birth certificate anywhere for him, either Davey or the surname of his father .....HESKINS. Any further information on this, or help much appreciated. Chris ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== Hertfordshire FHS: http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm

Sandra, thanks for your interest.Hope you find yours!

Can anybody please help me? These two characters came to Stevenage and left their baby girl with the owners of the "Three Horshoes Pub Pin Green whilst they went off too market and never returned for her ! She was then bought up by them , the DAVEY Family and was known by that name, ELSIE DAVEY. When she was about 19yrs she fell pregnant by a young soldier and had a son ...Harry who is my Father.Sadly the father died in action so never came home ; this was in 1917. I cant find a birth certificate anywhere for him, either Davey or the surname of his father .....HESKINS. Any further information on this, or help much appreciated. Chris

Hello tesmith40! Yes this is my family, I found the same entry, too. I wasn't sure at first that they were mine, but am now. You are quite a bit further back than me in tracing the Pegrams, congratulations! I know how much work that is. You never know,but our trees might connect up at some point. All the best in your research! Janet >From: tesmith40@comcast.net >Reply-To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [HRT] 1871 Hertfordshire birthplace for Thomas Pegram >Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 15:24:31 +0000 > >Janet, > >I took a look on the LDS site and found a THOMAS PEGRAM >christened >27 MAY 1838 Great Hormead, Hertford, England > >Parents are listed as Jas & Anna. > >On a side note: I'm also tracing the PEGRAM /PAGGRAM / PIGRAM family. My >3X great grandmother is Sophia Pegram, christened 13 May, 1798 in Layston, >Hertfordshire; she is the daughter of Thomas Pegram & Sarah Willson. >Sophia Pegram married William North. > >-------------- Original message -------------- > > > Hi Paula! > > Wow, this could be my family! > > Does the page you saw say anything else, such as dad's age or >occupation, or > > any siblings? This family has been my brickwall for ages and ages, it >would > > be nice to make some headway. > > Janet in Canada > > > > >From: "Paula Patterson" > > >Reply-To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [HRT] 1871 Hertfordshire birthplace for Thomas Pegram > > >Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:42:26 +0100 > > > > > >Hormead? > > > > > >There was certainly a Thomas PEGRAM age 12 b Great Hormead, Herts with >his > > >parents James & Hannah PEGRAM all living in Anstey in Herts in 1851. > > >When you look at the writing for Hormead in the 1851 it is easier to > > >convince yourself that the 1871 entry says Hormead as well!!! > > > > > >Paula > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Williams" > > > > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 5:50 PM > > >Subject: RE: [HRT] 1871 Hertfordshire birthplace for Thomas Pegram > > > > > > > > >>Hi Janet > > >> > > >>I couldn't read it either. I also checked the 1861 census and the only > > >>one > > >>that fitted was born in Essex. > > >> > > >>On FreeBDM there is a Thomas PEGRAM born Jun 1843 in Ongar wich is in > > >>Essex. > > >> > > >>I wondered if the 1871 is incorrect? > > >> > > >>Jean > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Janet Hopkins [mailto:janetchopkins@hotmail.com] > > >>Sent: 03 May 2005 17:08 > > >>To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > >>Subject: [HRT] 1871 Hertfordshire birthplace for Thomas Pegram > > >> > > >> > > >>Hello! > > >>I am a new lister and this is my first post. > > >>I have a Thomas Pegram who was born c1839 in Hertfordshire. I know >that > > >>his > > >>father's name was James Pegram, a labourer. Thomas appears on the 1871 > > >>census. He is married to a lady named Mary Ann, and had a son, Thomas, > > >>age > > >>7, and a baby daugher Jeanette Mary. On that census page, the >birthplace > > >>for Thomas Pegram born c1839 is unreadable. Surrounding census details > > >>are > > >>clear as day. Can anyone who has access to ancestry.com go to that >page > > >>and see if you have any ideas, Thomas Pegram is down as 32 years old. >It > > >>might say Thos. instead of Thomas. > > >>Ancestry has guessed the Hertfordshire birthplace as "Werneatts", but >this > > >>doesn't correspond to any actual towns or parishes in Hertfordshire >that I > > >>can find. > > >>Janet Hopkins > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > >>For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > > >>http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > >>Hertfordshire FHS: > > >>http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > >To POST a message to this list use the address: > > > > > >eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > > > > >2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > > > > >ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > > >receiving the messages individually or want them individually) or > > > > > >ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode >i.e. > > >receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > > > > >In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word >subscribe > > >or unsubscribe. > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the >message you > > are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what >the > > thread is about but do try to use good judgement. > > > > >==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >

According to the 1861 Census at Egham in Surrey, George Frederick FURNIVALL was born at Hemel Hempstead in about 1781 or 1782. I would be most grateful if SKS with access to the relevant Parish Register could check for his baptism and determine the names of his parents, and (if I am extremely well-behaved) for any siblings he might have please. I am hoping that George might have had a brother called William Henry. In hope ... Wendy Verwood, Dorset, UK

I have posed to several lists in England/Scotland/Ireland attempting to locate someone doing research into the BATES family but so far NADA. I am posting again into the Hertfordshire list attempting to trace John BATES, b: 1 Sep 1771, son of Thomas BATES (1732 -??) and Mary Field (1736 - ??). John is reported born in Willian and James is listed as Baldock. James is the son of John BATES and Mary Housely (no dates or locations given). James and Mary had to following children: Mary BATES 29 Oct 1769 Willian Married Elias EASTWAY 13 Jun 1793 Willian John BATES 1 Sep 1771 Willian James BATES Aug 1773 Tring d: bef 1777 Hertford Joseph BATES 28 Dec 1774 Duffield, Derby Sarah BATES 3 May 1776 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire James Agusta BATES 20 Apr 1777 St Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire Richard BATES 5 Mar 1780 St Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire Samuel BATES 30 Aug 1782 Kingsdare, Hampsire Elizabeth BATES 13 Jul 1783 Grandborough, Warwick d: abt 1784 Elizabeth BATES 1785 Kingsdare, Hampshire Mary and Elias immigraged to the U.S. after 1796 with two children and I am of the opinion that John BATES (1771) was with them possible as "Brother" and listed with surname EASTWAY vice BATES but have been unable to locate the ship's passenger manifest for confirmation. I am particularly interested in this because if the scenerio I am proposing is even remotely authenticated, then he is my GGGGF and tops a very long standing stone wall in my ancestry search. Can anyone verify the Hertford parts of the above? I plan on posting this on the Hampshire lists as well. Thanks and che-ers William G. BATES

According to the 1861 Census at Egham in Surrey, George Frederick FURNIVALL was born at Hemel Hempstead in about 1781 or 1782. I would be most grateful if SKS with access to the relevant Parish Register could check for his baptism and determine the names of his parents, and (if I am extremely well-behaved) for any siblings he might have please. I am hoping that George might have had a brother called William Henry. In hope ... Wendy Verwood, Dorset, UK

Dear Mike, Thank you so much for your kindness and help.Living in Malta is a problem as we have no lds library on the island. My main interest in the chapel is due to the fact i just got 2 marriage certificates for 2 sisters both married in the chapel 1879. There name was Horn. Would baptisms have taken place there ? and would the family have been long standing members of the church ? Thanks a million. Keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: <MBass1943@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Tring baptist chapels > > In a message dated 05/05/2005 21:04:54 GMT Standard Time, > ficus@euroweb.net.mt writes: > > Hi, > can anyone please help ? I am looking for info on an Ebenezer baptist > chapel > in Tring.Thanks. > > Keith in Malta. > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > _http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com_ (http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com) > > > > > > Hello Keith. > Very little info on the Ebeneza in Tring. > basic details as follows taken from various sources.. I also have a list > of > various events at the chapel over the years taken from the local > newspaper. > I can send you these if you are interested. > > Adapted from "A History of Tring" by Sheila Richards. > The 2nd Particular Baptist church moved, in 1808, to The Orchard, Akeman > Street, owned by Mr Thomas Kingham. The present chapel, called Glover's > chapel, > was built there in 1832. > In 1836 some members drew away from Mr Glover's chapel and moved into a > barn > belonging to Thomas Fleet in the West end of Tring. The barn was turned > into > a hall and in about 1859 they built the Ebenezer, Chapel Street, probably > on > the site of the original barn. > >>From the “Tring Triangle” by Jill Fowler > Although St Marthas is on the corner of Park Road and Chapel Street it is > not the church that gave the road its name. The Ebenezer Chapel, built in > 1859 > just across the road, suggested the name. The Ebenezer chapel building is > still there and was still registered for marriages until the early 1950s, > although it was used for a Home Guard headquarters during the war and for > commercial purposes afterwards. > > Regards Mike > > > Mike Bass > Tring and District Local History and Museum Society. > www.oldtring.co.uk/localhistory > > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe.

In a message dated 05/05/2005 21:04:54 GMT Standard Time, ficus@euroweb.net.mt writes: Hi, can anyone please help ? I am looking for info on an Ebenezer baptist chapel in Tring.Thanks. Keith in Malta. ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== For any updates our info about the status of this list go to _http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com_ (http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com) Hello Keith. Very little info on the Ebeneza in Tring. basic details as follows taken from various sources.. I also have a list of various events at the chapel over the years taken from the local newspaper. I can send you these if you are interested. Adapted from "A History of Tring" by Sheila Richards. The 2nd Particular Baptist church moved, in 1808, to The Orchard, Akeman Street, owned by Mr Thomas Kingham. The present chapel, called Glover's chapel, was built there in 1832. In 1836 some members drew away from Mr Glover's chapel and moved into a barn belonging to Thomas Fleet in the West end of Tring. The barn was turned into a hall and in about 1859 they built the Ebenezer, Chapel Street, probably on the site of the original barn. From the “Tring Triangle” by Jill Fowler Although St Marthas is on the corner of Park Road and Chapel Street it is not the church that gave the road its name. The Ebenezer Chapel, built in 1859 just across the road, suggested the name. The Ebenezer chapel building is still there and was still registered for marriages until the early 1950s, although it was used for a Home Guard headquarters during the war and for commercial purposes afterwards. Regards Mike Mike Bass Tring and District Local History and Museum Society. www.oldtring.co.uk/localhistory