Hello Yvonne most of mine were from a cluster of villages Welwyn, Knebworth, Tewin, Datchworth and Hertingfordbury. No doubt if we went back far enough they would link with your lot in Ware. My ealiest were James Page who married Mary Hatton 17 Nov 1759 Hertingfordbury, Herts. Eng cheers Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Mitchell" <yvonne.mitchell2@tesco.net> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851 GARTON in Ware > Hi Peter > > Here is my Page line > > Great x 2 Grandmother - Mary Jane Page - sister of the Ann Page Garton I was > asking about. > > Their parents were Robert Welford Page ((14/12/1796 - 01/05/1859) m Mary > Gibson > > Robert was the son of Edward Page (bpd 17/04/1758- br 10/11/1822) m Jane > Welford > > Edward was the son of Henry Page (bpd 29/12/731 - ~1799) m Elizabeth > Warren > Henry was the son of Henry Page (bpd 01/08/1708 -25/10/1781) m Mary Richford > > Henry was the son of William Page (1673 -?) m Ann Newton > > I think William may have been the son of Edward Page from Baldock > > I have some Joseph and some Joshua in my tree. > > My lot lived in Ware - > > Do you have any of these amongst your listings? I am particularly interested > in Robert Welford Page > > Yvonne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Page" <bigbear@ihug.co.nz> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 7:15 AM > Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851 GARTON in Ware > > > > Yvonne > > > > I have large listins of Page from Herts as my Grandfathers Grandfather, > > Joseph aka Joshua of Datchworth was tranported in 1842 > > > > Do you know who Ann' paretns were? > > > > Peter > > > > ----- > > From: "Yvonne Mitchell" <yvonne.mitchell2@tesco.net> > > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/05 > >

Hi, My name is Pauline and I live in Lancashire. I have just subscribed to this list and notice from the archives that there are people researching my family. Here is a copy of an email I have sent to one researcher and then I noticed that there are more of you: I am the great grand daughter of George Ansell and Elizabeth Ann Whittle who lived in Darwen, Lancashire. Elizabeth was first married to Abel (Abraham) Ansell, brother of George. George and Elizabeth never married but had seven children. Elizabeth also had 2 children with Abel. All the children of George were registered as HANSELL by their mother, in Blackburn except the only son, another George who was born in 1897 and registered as ANSELL by his father. This makes me suspect that the name was changed deliberately. I think that Abraham went back to Stevenage and married? again but not 100% sure on this. I have plenty of info on the ANSELLs and also the children of George and Elizabeth, one was my grandmother, Alice and another daughter, Elizabeth Ann known as Lily, married and went to Canada. I am in touch with the G-G-Grandson and the G-G-G-Grand-daughter of Lily. George, Abraham (Abel) and William, came north between the 1871 and 1881 census, probably to go to another brother, Edward, who was already in Little Smeaton, in Yorkshire. I do have info about the family of Edward but I would have to look it up. If anyone is interested, please contact me. Very best wishes, Pauline in Darwen, Lancashire

Wlliam Carter married Sarah Cornish in Bengeo 27 Jan 1780. Does anyone have record of children born to them, or other info about this couple? Any help will be very much appreciated. Julia Henderson

Alan Many thanks for that. Our suspicion is that one family member moved away from Glos and slightly changed his name. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Fincher" <alan_fincher@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] CHARLES SELL - TRING >I have the University of Hertfordshire Press transcription of the 1851 >census for the Great Berkhamsted Region of Herts, which includes Tring and >surrounding Hertfordshire villages. > > The index for this lists no SELL, SEAL or SEALE entries at all. > > I don't have access to 1841 information, unfortunately. > > Best wishes, > > Alan Fincher > > Berkhamsted, Herts > > Jim Parsons <payman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Researching my wife's SEAL(E) line from Marshfield in Glos we find a > tentative connection to a CHARLES SELL who appears on the 1861. 1871 and > 1881 Censuses claiming to be born TRING Hertfordshire. > > I am wondering if SKS has access to the 1851 and or 1841 Census for Tring > and could let me know if Charles (or any other SELL or SEAL or SEALE) > appears there. > > Many thanks. > > Jim > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the > message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other > readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger - want a free & easy way to contact your friends online? > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005

I have the University of Hertfordshire Press transcription of the 1851 census for the Great Berkhamsted Region of Herts, which includes Tring and surrounding Hertfordshire villages. The index for this lists no SELL, SEAL or SEALE entries at all. I don't have access to 1841 information, unfortunately. Best wishes, Alan Fincher Berkhamsted, Herts Jim Parsons <payman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Researching my wife's SEAL(E) line from Marshfield in Glos we find a tentative connection to a CHARLES SELL who appears on the 1861. 1871 and 1881 Censuses claiming to be born TRING Hertfordshire. I am wondering if SKS has access to the 1851 and or 1841 Census for Tring and could let me know if Charles (or any other SELL or SEAL or SEALE) appears there. Many thanks. Jim -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - want a free & easy way to contact your friends online?

Hi List I would be most grateful if some one could look up a MASLIN family in the 1841 census at Shenley or London Colney. I have found the family I have been searching for for 20 years and I am pretty excited. I can do lookups for Australia if anyone would like. That is from my own resources. Also can anyone sugest a reasonably priced researcher for Hertford please. Thankyou so much Gail in Australia

Researching my wife's SEAL(E) line from Marshfield in Glos we find a tentative connection to a CHARLES SELL who appears on the 1861. 1871 and 1881 Censuses claiming to be born TRING Hertfordshire. I am wondering if SKS has access to the 1851 and or 1841 Census for Tring and could let me know if Charles (or any other SELL or SEAL or SEALE) appears there. Many thanks. Jim -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005

Yvonne I have large listins of Page from Herts as my Grandfathers Grandfather, Joseph aka Joshua of Datchworth was tranported in 1842 Do you know who Ann' paretns were? Peter ----- From: "Yvonne Mitchell" <yvonne.mitchell2@tesco.net> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 5:44 AM Subject: [HRT] 1851 GARTON in Ware > I wonder if anyone with access to the 1851 census for Herts could check and see if Ann GARTON age ~ 28 and her husband Henry William Garton were living in Ware or surrounding area. Ann was a PAGE by birth - she married Henry in London in 1843 but they are not there in 1851 > > > > Her sisters married in London but then went back to Ware so I wonder did Ann do likewise. > > > > Many thanks > > > > Yvonne Mitchell > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/05 > >

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Hi I am searching for Mary Graves born about 1840 in Stanstead. She had a sister Elizabeth born about 1841/1842. I sent for a birth certificate, but I know I have the wrong one. In 1861 Mary had married and was living with her husband in Enfield, Middx, with her younger sister Elizabeth. Having looked on the IGI, I believe that their parents were Benjamin Graves and Mary Hutchins. On the 1861 census I found Benjamin with Ann living Stanstead, but I believe that Benjamin remarried in 1860. Does anyone have access to either 1851/1841 census that could do a look up for me to see if either Mary or Elizabeth are at home with Benjamin during that time. In 1861 he was living in Stanstead Street with his wife Ann. Finally I have found a Mary Graves on the indexes registered in Hitchin. Does this sound about right if she was born in Stanstead? Thanks Denise, Enfield Also researching ADAMS and HOPKINS in Cheshunt

Thanks Thelma. Both names I wanted, though the Leavesdon was clearer. Cashie/Cathie...well both near enough. What would a hamlet be then....in size and number of houses? A sort of cheaper place to live, or just to be "in the country". I see my sheet of the census has any number of Farms around that one address of Nascot Cottage. sounds countrified doesn't it? many thanks. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thelma Wigley" <t.wig@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 22 May 2005 07:17 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Hamlets > Hi Patricia > > On the transcript of villages for my 1851 census it is down as Cathie > Hamlet, but I must admit that on the Description of the Enumeration District > and on the first page it looks like Cashie. Hope that's of some help. > > Thelma > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Frykberg" <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:33 PM > Subject: [HRT] Hamlets > > > >I have a photocopy of the 1841 census and I cannot make out the names of > >the one of the hamlets mentioned > > It looks like Caslier and the other is Leavesdon in the parish of Watford. > > Could someone please make this clear for me? > > Many thanks > > Pat > > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > > encouraged. > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > >

Hi Peter Here is my Page line Great x 2 Grandmother - Mary Jane Page - sister of the Ann Page Garton I was asking about. Their parents were Robert Welford Page ((14/12/1796 - 01/05/1859) m Mary Gibson Robert was the son of Edward Page (bpd 17/04/1758- br 10/11/1822) m Jane Welford Edward was the son of Henry Page (bpd 29/12/731 - ~1799) m Elizabeth Warren Henry was the son of Henry Page (bpd 01/08/1708 -25/10/1781) m Mary Richford Henry was the son of William Page (1673 -?) m Ann Newton I think William may have been the son of Edward Page from Baldock I have some Joseph and some Joshua in my tree. My lot lived in Ware - Do you have any of these amongst your listings? I am particularly interested in Robert Welford Page Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Page" <bigbear@ihug.co.nz> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851 GARTON in Ware > Yvonne > > I have large listins of Page from Herts as my Grandfathers Grandfather, > Joseph aka Joshua of Datchworth was tranported in 1842 > > Do you know who Ann' paretns were? > > Peter > > ----- > From: "Yvonne Mitchell" <yvonne.mitchell2@tesco.net> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com>

Hi Gail, Have forwarded the details direct to you. Regards John H.

The other Hamlet I suspect is Cassio. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Frykberg [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: 22 May 2005 02:54 To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HRT] Hamlets Thanks Thelma. Both names I wanted, though the Leavesdon was clearer. Cashie/Cathie...well both near enough. What would a hamlet be then....in size and number of houses? A sort of cheaper place to live, or just to be "in the country". I see my sheet of the census has any number of Farms around that one address of Nascot Cottage. sounds countrified doesn't it? many thanks. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thelma Wigley" <t.wig@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 22 May 2005 07:17 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Hamlets > Hi Patricia > > On the transcript of villages for my 1851 census it is down as Cathie > Hamlet, but I must admit that on the Description of the Enumeration District > and on the first page it looks like Cashie. Hope that's of some help. > > Thelma > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Frykberg" <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:33 PM > Subject: [HRT] Hamlets > > > >I have a photocopy of the 1841 census and I cannot make out the names of > >the one of the hamlets mentioned > > It looks like Caslier and the other is Leavesdon in the parish of Watford. > > Could someone please make this clear for me? > > Many thanks > > Pat > > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > > encouraged. > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== Hertfordshire FHS: http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm

I have a photocopy of the 1841 census and I cannot make out the names of the one of the hamlets mentioned It looks like Caslier and the other is Leavesdon in the parish of Watford. Could someone please make this clear for me? Many thanks Pat

Patricia - sorry, suddenly realised you were also querying Leavesden Hamlet....that is exactly what it looks like in the Description of Enumeration District. Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Frykberg" <patfryk@clear.net.nz> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: [HRT] Hamlets >I have a photocopy of the 1841 census and I cannot make out the names of >the one of the hamlets mentioned > It looks like Caslier and the other is Leavesdon in the parish of Watford. > Could someone please make this clear for me? > Many thanks > Pat > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > encouraged. > >

Hi Patricia On the transcript of villages for my 1851 census it is down as Cathie Hamlet, but I must admit that on the Description of the Enumeration District and on the first page it looks like Cashie. Hope that's of some help. Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Frykberg" <patfryk@clear.net.nz> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: [HRT] Hamlets >I have a photocopy of the 1841 census and I cannot make out the names of >the one of the hamlets mentioned > It looks like Caslier and the other is Leavesdon in the parish of Watford. > Could someone please make this clear for me? > Many thanks > Pat > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > encouraged. > >

My sincere apologies to the kind person who replied to the above request. In my rush to get rid of all the spam, I accidently deleted it. I hope you still have a copy in your "Sent" file. Could you please oblige and forward it again. Sorry. Noeline, Wollongong, NSW Australia. Hi everyone, Would appreciate it if someone could look at the 1861 and 1871 Censuses please for JANE SQUIRE, b.1802, who lived in St Andrew's St, Hertford township. My last known reference to her was 1860. Thanks in anticipation, Noeline Mearing, Wollongong, Australia.

Thelma Thanks very much for going to all that trouble for me. Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thelma Wigley" <t.wig@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851 GARTON in Ware > Yvonne > > I've double checked the areas you mentioned and have also looked through the > other villages which seem to come under Ware but no joy I'm afraid. > > Thelma > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yvonne Mitchell" <yvonne.mitchell2@tesco.net> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851 GARTON in Ware > > > > Hi Thelma > > > > Thanks for looking - I would have expected them to be in Ware itself - her > > Dad lived in Upland Row - sisters Crib St and Middle Row and High St. One > > in > > Great Amwell > > > > Maybe she went to Australia - like her brother - well it's back to the > > drawing board. > > > > Thanks again > > > > Yvonne > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thelma Wigley" <t.wig@btinternet.com> > > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851 GARTON in Ware > > > > > >> Hi Yvonne > >> > >> No sign of them in Ware itself, nor in Amwell or Thundridge. There are > >> several more villages which fall under the Ware banner but, before I > > plough > >> through them, do you have any idea where her sisters settled in Ware? > >> > >> Thelma > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Yvonne Mitchell" <yvonne.mitchell2@tesco.net> > >> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:44 PM > >> Subject: [HRT] 1851 GARTON in Ware > >> > >> > >> >I wonder if anyone with access to the 1851 census for Herts could check > > and > >> >see if Ann GARTON age ~ 28 and her husband Henry William Garton were > > living > >> >in Ware or surrounding area. Ann was a PAGE by birth - she married Henry > > in > >> >London in 1843 but they are not there in 1851 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Her sisters married in London but then went back to Ware so I wonder > >> > did > >> > Ann do likewise. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Many thanks > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Yvonne Mitchell > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > >> > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> Hertfordshire FHS: > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > >> > > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Hertfordshire FHS: > > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm >

Yvonne I've double checked the areas you mentioned and have also looked through the other villages which seem to come under Ware but no joy I'm afraid. Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Mitchell" <yvonne.mitchell2@tesco.net> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851 GARTON in Ware > Hi Thelma > > Thanks for looking - I would have expected them to be in Ware itself - her > Dad lived in Upland Row - sisters Crib St and Middle Row and High St. One > in > Great Amwell > > Maybe she went to Australia - like her brother - well it's back to the > drawing board. > > Thanks again > > Yvonne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thelma Wigley" <t.wig@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851 GARTON in Ware > > >> Hi Yvonne >> >> No sign of them in Ware itself, nor in Amwell or Thundridge. There are >> several more villages which fall under the Ware banner but, before I > plough >> through them, do you have any idea where her sisters settled in Ware? >> >> Thelma >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Yvonne Mitchell" <yvonne.mitchell2@tesco.net> >> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:44 PM >> Subject: [HRT] 1851 GARTON in Ware >> >> >> >I wonder if anyone with access to the 1851 census for Herts could check > and >> >see if Ann GARTON age ~ 28 and her husband Henry William Garton were > living >> >in Ware or surrounding area. Ann was a PAGE by birth - she married Henry > in >> >London in 1843 but they are not there in 1851 >> > >> > >> > >> > Her sisters married in London but then went back to Ware so I wonder >> > did >> > Ann do likewise. >> > >> > >> > >> > Many thanks >> > >> > >> > >> > Yvonne Mitchell >> > >> > >> > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >> > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Hertfordshire FHS: >> http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm >> > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > >