To John Thank you, thank you, thank you! What a find! Gosh, William James was a Gamekeeper, how exciting, I shall have to 'Google' now, and find out about the Stevenage Lodge Estate. I would assume that it would have been a big house of some sort. There might be records kept of staff. Gosh! Also, you have clarified what 'Pier Green' was for me, 'Pea Green', thanks for that, and I shall have to look up a marriage for Jane Glazebrook too. Once again, thank you so much for sending me this information, absolutely brilliant Regards Lisa -------Original Message------- From: Berkojohn258@aol.com Date: 05/25/05 09:39:08 To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851 census look up please GLAZEBROOK and BRIARS Hi Lisa, Details found and forwarded to you direct. Regards John H. ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== Hertfordshire FHS: http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm

Dear Lisa, I lived for 30 years in Stevenage, there was no Pier Green or Pea Green, but a Pin Green. It is now part of the New Town's estates, started I believe in the early 1960's. If you look at www.old-maps.co.uk perhaps you may find Stevenage Lodge Estate (which I had never heard of despite doing a history of Stevenage at school). Funnily enough, I went to Broom Barns Junior school and had a Mr. Glazebrook as my headmaster in the early 1960's! Valerie Edwards, Vancouver Island, BC. Canada. Valerie Edwards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Koelink" <lisa.koelink@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:08 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851 census look up please GLAZEBROOK and BRIARS > To John > Thank you, thank you, thank you! > What a find! > Gosh, William James was a Gamekeeper, how exciting, I shall have to > 'Google' > now, and find out about the Stevenage Lodge Estate. I would assume that > it > would have been a big house of some sort. There might be records kept of > staff. Gosh! > Also, you have clarified what 'Pier Green' was for me, 'Pea Green', thanks > for that, and I shall have to look up a marriage for Jane Glazebrook too. > Once again, thank you so much for sending me this information, absolutely > brilliant > Regards > Lisa > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Berkojohn258@aol.com > Date: 05/25/05 09:39:08 > To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HRT] 1851 census look up please GLAZEBROOK and BRIARS > > Hi Lisa, Details found and forwarded to you direct. Regards John H. > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005

Hi Listers Please, if anyone has access to the 1851 census for Herts, could you look up a couple of families in Stevenage for me. Joseph GLAZEBROOK b. abt 1796 Stevenage wife Elizabeth b. abt 1800 Stevenage They were living in Pier? Green Stevenage on the 1841 census, although by the 1861 they had moved to Brewhouse Lane, St Andrews, Hertford. Also William James BRIARS (could be down as James) b. abt 1818 Stevenage. wife Kezia (could be written as Kizzy) children John Pateman BRIARS, Maria BRIARS, Sarah BRIARS, and possibly William James BRIARS, although he might not have been born yet. On the 1841 they were living in Pier? Green, Stevenage, and on the 1861 they were living in Letchmore Green, Stevenage. Occupation for Joseph GLAZEBROOK on 1841 was Ag Lab, and 1861 was Carter Occupation for William James BRIARS on 1841 was Ag Lab, and on 1861 was Carrier. Thank you so much in advance Lisa

were these around in 1917 for Stevenage , and if so where could i view them? Many thanks Chris

Hi Lisa, Details found and forwarded to you direct. Regards John H.

I wonder if sks would help me please. I have a family of BROWN who had 5 sons and 4 daughters. One of the daughters became my grandmother. She was an Agnes Brown. I knew that she had 2 sisters that I knew about, Alice and Annie who were spinsters. I have had the 1871/18/19/1901 census's sent to me and I see that my great grandma married again after the death of her husband amd remarried and moved to live in Wellingborough with the above daughters and an Emily whom I did not know. I am wondering about the brothers now as to where they went, if they stayed in Hitchin or what. They are all born in Hitchin They are Henry BROWN b 1860c Herbert b 1862c Jesse b 1865c George b 1870c Arthur b 1863c I say circa I am wondering if they stayed in Hitchin or moved on. Thanks Eunice - Australia

Hello Is it possibly for anyone to search the 1871 census..for.........Hatfield park....Hatfield house...... to see if either of the following people were working there in 1871.......................EDWARD KEARN..gardener..... and Susannah SIMMONS ..servant. Would really appreciate it if SKS could check this out for me. TIA Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] BROWN > on 24/5/05 2:55 pm, Eunice Goude at ozypomeg@tpg.com.au wrote: > > > I wonder if sks would help me please. I have a family of BROWN who had 5 sons > > and 4 daughters. One of the daughters became my grandmother. She was an Agnes > > Brown. I knew that she had 2 sisters that I knew about, Alice and Annie who > > were spinsters. I have had the 1871/18/19/1901 census's sent to me and I see > > that my great grandma married again after the death of her husband amd > > remarried and moved to live in Wellingborough with the above daughters and an > > Emily whom I did not know. I am wondering about the brothers now as to where > > they went, if they stayed in Hitchin or what. They are all born in Hitchin > > They are Henry BROWN b 1860c > > Herbert b 1862c > > Jesse b 1865c > > George b 1870c > > Arthur b 1863c > > I say circa > > I am wondering if they stayed in Hitchin or moved on. > > As you have access to the 1881 Census online I've looked for them in 1891 > > Henry I'm not sure about. There is a possible one aged 27 in Hatfield > working as a servant, but one can't be sure it's him. > > 1891 Census Hatfield, Herts > Hatfield Park > Hatfield House > Stables and Harness Room > Among the staff > Henry Brown; Servant; 27; Stableman; b. Hitchin, Herts > > 1891 Census London > Mile End Old Town > 18 Garden St > Herbert Brown; Head; 29; Baker; b. Hitchin, Herts > Laura brown; Wife; 28; b. Hitchin, Herts > Chas Brown; Son; 6; b. Mile End, London > Annie Brown; Dau; 1; b. Mile End, London > > 1891 Census Hitchin, Herts > 3 West Alley > Jesse Brown; Head; 25; Groom;b. Hitchin, Herts > Kate Brown; Wife; 23; b. Hitchin, Herts > Frank Brown; Son; 2; b. Hitchin, Herts > Florrie Brown; Dau; 1 month; b. Hitchin, Herts > Rose Mansell; Sister in Law; 15; b. Hitchin, Herts > Willie Mansell; Sister's child; 1; b. Hitchin, Herts > > Arthur and George didn't show up on the England Census > > You will hopefully be able to find the marriages on FreeBMD the locate them > in the 1901 Census now you know where to look. > I would suggest you still look for Arthur and George in the 1901 Census as > they might have been in the Services, indexed wrongly or just missed off if > they were away from home for the night . > > Hope this helps > Dot in Salisbury, Wilts > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged. > >

>From: BCockell@aol.com >Reply-To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Good morning Geoff >Have looked into the 1851 Cenus, but unfortunately no surname of Leete >shown. Perhaps the 1861 Census might be more fruitful. >My source for this was the "Population, economy and family structure in >Hertfordshire in 1851", Volume 2 - St Albans and it's regions. >Good luck with further research >Brian > Thanks for looking, Brian. It would certainly seem he was not in St Albans. They had moved back to Cambs. by 1861 & I've found them there OK. I'll have to put on my Inspector (Morse) hat & do some detective work! Regards, Geoff Morse

Hi All: Since there _is_ someone on this list with access to the 1851 census for St. Albans, I'll reiterate my question about my most difficult brick wall: George GILES (father) could be b. about 1800 Sarah Jemima GILES, b. abt. 1830 St. Albans, daughter. Mother of the above may also have been Sarah or possibly Jemima as that name is passed down to Sarah's daughter Evelina. If they are not in St. Albans in 1851 would there be any possibility of finding them in 1841? Maybe they are to be found in a Hertfordshire directory in 1851 or close to 1841, that might give their address? In 1858, George was an office clerk, and Sarah was married to William Robert WILLCOCKS, widower, at St. Mary's, Portsea, Hampshire, so is known not to be still in Herts. I have recently found her details in the 1861 census in Shoreditch, Middlesex. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA. Brian wrote: Good morning Geoff Have looked into the 1851 Cenus, but unfortunately no surname of Leete shown. Perhaps the 1861 Census might be more fruitful.

on 24/5/05 2:55 pm, Eunice Goude at ozypomeg@tpg.com.au wrote: > I wonder if sks would help me please. I have a family of BROWN who had 5 sons > and 4 daughters. One of the daughters became my grandmother. She was an Agnes > Brown. I knew that she had 2 sisters that I knew about, Alice and Annie who > were spinsters. I have had the 1871/18/19/1901 census's sent to me and I see > that my great grandma married again after the death of her husband amd > remarried and moved to live in Wellingborough with the above daughters and an > Emily whom I did not know. I am wondering about the brothers now as to where > they went, if they stayed in Hitchin or what. They are all born in Hitchin > They are Henry BROWN b 1860c > Herbert b 1862c > Jesse b 1865c > George b 1870c > Arthur b 1863c > I say circa > I am wondering if they stayed in Hitchin or moved on. As you have access to the 1881 Census online I've looked for them in 1891 Henry I'm not sure about. There is a possible one aged 27 in Hatfield working as a servant, but one can't be sure it's him. 1891 Census Hatfield, Herts Hatfield Park Hatfield House Stables and Harness Room Among the staff Henry Brown; Servant; 27; Stableman; b. Hitchin, Herts 1891 Census London Mile End Old Town 18 Garden St Herbert Brown; Head; 29; Baker; b. Hitchin, Herts Laura brown; Wife; 28; b. Hitchin, Herts Chas Brown; Son; 6; b. Mile End, London Annie Brown; Dau; 1; b. Mile End, London 1891 Census Hitchin, Herts 3 West Alley Jesse Brown; Head; 25; Groom;b. Hitchin, Herts Kate Brown; Wife; 23; b. Hitchin, Herts Frank Brown; Son; 2; b. Hitchin, Herts Florrie Brown; Dau; 1 month; b. Hitchin, Herts Rose Mansell; Sister in Law; 15; b. Hitchin, Herts Willie Mansell; Sister's child; 1; b. Hitchin, Herts Arthur and George didn't show up on the England Census You will hopefully be able to find the marriages on FreeBMD the locate them in the 1901 Census now you know where to look. I would suggest you still look for Arthur and George in the 1901 Census as they might have been in the Services, indexed wrongly or just missed off if they were away from home for the night . Hope this helps Dot in Salisbury, Wilts

Found Jesse BROWN in 1891 and 1901 Images sent off list Paula > Hi Eunice! > > I'll take a look and see if I can find any of them in the census records. > I did notice that you mentioned ARTHUR b. circa 1863, I think you meant > 1873 (according to the 1881 census). I also will send the 1861 census to > you which shows the parents John Brown and wife Emily with son Henry. > > Theresa E. Smith > Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, USA > > -------------- Original message -------------- > >> I wonder if sks would help me please. I have a family of BROWN who had 5 >> sons >> and 4 daughters. One of the daughters became my grandmother. She was an >> Agnes >> Brown. I knew that she had 2 sisters that I knew about, Alice and Annie >> who were >> spinsters. I have had the 1871/18/19/1901 census's sent to me and I see >> that my >> great grandma married again after the death of her husband amd remarried >> and >> moved to live in Wellingborough with the above daughters and an Emily >> whom I did >> not know. I am wondering about the brothers now as to where they went, if >> they >> stayed in Hitchin or what. They are all born in Hitchin >> They are Henry BROWN b 1860c >> Herbert b 1862c >> Jesse b 1865c >> George b 1870c >> Arthur b 1863c >> I say circa >> I am wondering if they stayed in Hitchin or moved on. >> Thanks >> Eunice - Australia >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Hertfordshire FHS: >> http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm >> > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > >

Hi Eunice! I'll take a look and see if I can find any of them in the census records. I did notice that you mentioned ARTHUR b. circa 1863, I think you meant 1873 (according to the 1881 census). I also will send the 1861 census to you which shows the parents John Brown and wife Emily with son Henry. Theresa E. Smith Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, USA -------------- Original message -------------- > I wonder if sks would help me please. I have a family of BROWN who had 5 sons > and 4 daughters. One of the daughters became my grandmother. She was an Agnes > Brown. I knew that she had 2 sisters that I knew about, Alice and Annie who were > spinsters. I have had the 1871/18/19/1901 census's sent to me and I see that my > great grandma married again after the death of her husband amd remarried and > moved to live in Wellingborough with the above daughters and an Emily whom I did > not know. I am wondering about the brothers now as to where they went, if they > stayed in Hitchin or what. They are all born in Hitchin > They are Henry BROWN b 1860c > Herbert b 1862c > Jesse b 1865c > George b 1870c > Arthur b 1863c > I say circa > I am wondering if they stayed in Hitchin or moved on. > Thanks > Eunice - Australia > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm >

I apologise for my earlier misspelling. ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Staunton To: BERKSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com ; ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com ; Essex-UK-L@rootsweb.com ; Isle-of-Thanet-D@rootsweb.com ; KENT-ENG-L@rootsweb.com ; SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Another USeful Site Hi Lists, (Berkshire, Essex, Hertfordshite, Kent, Sussex and Thanet) Another useful site giving guidance as to "where" used to be and now, and check the Home page. http://www.abcounties.co.uk/newgaz/cen.htm#section4.2 Kind regards, Linda

Hi Lists, (Berkshire, Essex, Hertfordshite, Kent, Sussex and Thanet) Another useful site giving guidance as to "where" used to be and now, and check the Home page. http://www.abcounties.co.uk/newgaz/cen.htm#section4.2 Kind regards, Linda

Thanks very much for looking, John - much appreciated. Regards Geoff Morse >From: Berkojohn258@aol.com >To: geoff_morse@hotmail.com >Subject: LEETE >Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:03:22 EDT > >Hi Geoff, Although some of the pages are very difficult to read and some >house are marked occupier unknown, I could not see your Mr. LEETE in >St.Albans >or in The Trade Directory 1851 St.Albans. Regards John H.

Thanks for your search and quick response, Paula. I don't know why I hadn't thought of looking in the Historical Directories website. The family moved back to Cambridgeshire some time between 1854 and 1857, so the Post Office directory at least shows they were still in St Albans in 1855. Geoff Morse

Hello Julia, I have CARTER's in Stevenage at that time, but my William was born after 1824. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene & Julia" <hendbc2@xmission.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: [HRT] Carter-Cornish > Wlliam Carter married Sarah Cornish in Bengeo 27 Jan 1780. Does anyone > have record of children born to them, or other info about this couple? > Any help will be very much appreciated. > > Julia Henderson > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm >

Does anyone have a copy of the 1851 Census for St Albans and can look for a Simeon Leete for me. He married Eliza Masters in his home village of Guilden Morden, Cambs in Aug 1852, when he described himself as an Innkeeper residing in St Albans. I've found a Simeon Leete in Guilden Morden in the 1851 Census, but it isn't him, so I'm hoping that my Simeon Leete was already living in St Albans which is where their first child was born in 1854 and baptised at St Albans Abbey. Geoff Morse Hitchin, Herts

Hi, i wonder if anyone can help ? i am looking for my grandfathers family in the watford area.i am interested in finding a JACK SMITH who married a german refugee her name was Margot Rosenberg and they had 2 children and maybe more Daniel the other Jack i presume they were born around the war era any help even a marriage date would be so kind. Thanks. Keith in Malta.

In a message dated 24/05/2005 11:44:12 GMT Daylight Time, geoff_morse@hotmail.com writes: Thanks for your search and quick response, Paula. I don't know why I hadn't thought of looking in the Historical Directories website. The family moved back to Cambridgeshire some time between 1854 and 1857, so the Post Office directory at least shows they were still in St Albans in 1855. Good morning Geoff Have looked into the 1851 Cenus, but unfortunately no surname of Leete shown. Perhaps the 1861 Census might be more fruitful. My source for this was the "Population, economy and family structure in Hertfordshire in 1851", Volume 2 - St Albans and it's regions. Good luck with further research Brian