May I thank the following people for their great help in tracing more details of the Bracey family: Gay O'Neill, Janet Booth, D. Gregory and Ann Treadwell (a cousin of whom I was unaware). A very big 'thank you' too, to Pauline Stanley for pointing me in the right direction! We have had many hours of fun and pleasure which will continue for a long time. Our thanks to the compiler of this Hertfordshire site, and to all listers who take so much trouble to help others. Our warmest good wishes to you all! Beryl Woodhead.

Hi Bob Are you sure she was a ropemaker, I thought I had a couple of ropemakers in Hertfordshire from one census, but then in the later censuses it turned out to be rake makers! Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Campbell" <rcampbell3@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:17 PM Subject: [HRT] Ropeworks at Dobbs Weir? > Hi, > I just discovered my old gran used to make ropes in her back yard, story > says also "hangmans nooses" for a rope making company located at or near > Dobbs Weir on the river Lea? not far from the Fish and Eels public house. > Can anyone tell me any more information about this industry that went on > near Hoddesdon in Hertfordshire? > cheers > Bob in Brisbane > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > >

Hi, I just discovered my old gran used to make ropes in her back yard, story says also "hangmans nooses" for a rope making company located at or near Dobbs Weir on the river Lea? not far from the Fish and Eels public house. Can anyone tell me any more information about this industry that went on near Hoddesdon in Hertfordshire? cheers Bob in Brisbane

G'Day, from Queensland Australia. I am researching BIERTON and ANSTEE Bucks, thought maybe some wandered. Thanks Rain Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Thanks Sandra for clarifying my posting. As I said I've never heard of the VCH before and it sounded interesting. -------------- Original message -------------- > Before everyone rushes off thinking that they will find details of their > families in the VCH, it should be made clear that most of the family > information concerns the Lords of the Manor. It is the Manor descent > rather than the family which is considered important here. > That being said, the VCH is really the bible for the history of any > parish or manor. I have used it many times. > Regards > Sandra > > tesmith40@comcast.net wrote: > > >In the Ancestry.com newsletter was the following article and I thought I'd share it. I've never heard of this before. I hope this proves of interest to others.

Before everyone rushes off thinking that they will find details of their families in the VCH, it should be made clear that most of the family information concerns the Lords of the Manor. It is the Manor descent rather than the family which is considered important here. That being said, the VCH is really the bible for the history of any parish or manor. I have used it many times. Regards Sandra tesmith40@comcast.net wrote: >In the Ancestry.com newsletter was the following article and I thought I'd share >it. I've never heard of this before. I hope this proves of interest to others. > >I was dissappointed to see only 13 counties are completed ( http://www.englandpast.net/completed_counties.html ) with 14 counties in progress ( http://www.englandpast.net/vch_counties.html ) > >Here's the link for the completed Hertfordshire VCH: >http://www.englandpast.net/hertfordshire.html > >Lots to read...but worth it! >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >As the Records Show >VCH: Three Letters Spell Untold Riches >by Sherry Irvine, CGRS, FSA Scot > >Those of you who read my articles regularly may recall that from time to time I >make reference to the Victoria History of the Counties of England, commonly >called the Victoria County History (VCH). > >Family facts, resource information and new insights into the lives of my >ancestors have all turned up in my numerous excursions through these volumes of >local history. In this article I tell you more about the VCH and, in particular, >about the project in the county of Essex, home to some of my ancestors and to >many who left England for America in the 1600s. > >The VCH was a visionary idea at the end of the reign of Queen Victoria, hence >the name. It set out to present an authentic and meticulous account of the >history of English places and people. The completed counties (twelve, plus North >Riding of Yorkshire) contain a history of all the towns and villages, which are >usually described under several topics including manors and estates, economy, >social history, religious activity, local government, and buildings. Preliminary >volumes or sections cover a number of themes for the whole county. > >Essex >Essex is an excellent example of the breadth and depth of material in the VCH. >The first three volumes examine: (I) natural history, archaeology, Domesday >Book; (II) ecclesiastical, political and economic history, and schools; (III) >Roman Essex. Three volumes of bibliography have also been published, and volumes >four to ten are topographical, each about a town or region. > >Volumes eleven and twelve continue the topographical accounts and are about >places in Tendring Hundred, which includes the seaside resorts of Clacton and >Frinton. Recently the Clacton VCH volunteer group produced Clacton at War, >1939-45, a story of transformation from seaside resort to frontline town. >Details of contents of all volumes, with the names of the hundreds and parishes, >are listed at the Victorian County History of Essex website. > >As you can imagine a project of this magnitude requires a huge amount of effort >from many agencies and individuals--a core of professionals and an army of >volunteers. Two wars and shortages of funds adversely affected the VCH up to >1950, when work resumed. Lately, changes in funding to county councils have >resulted in local government economies and reduced funding for the VCH in Essex >and elsewhere. In spite of all difficulties people remain dedicated, volunteers >step forward to help, research and writing continue. Fortunately, anyone can >show interest and support--I will explain about this in a moment. > >A Tool for Every Genealogist >Genealogists are not the only ones interested in the work of the VCH. >Historians, government officials, educators, and architects are among those who >find value in a detailed historical record. The background and general sections >provide context, the parish histories take us through the centuries, describing >how people worked, lived, learned, played and worshipped. The accounts are full >of names and precise document references. > >If we all researched the places where our ancestors lived in the same way >(outlined at the Victoria County Histories website), no doubt many genealogical >puzzles would be solved. In other words, the VCH is a source of research ideas >as well. > >It is easy to investigate what has been done for any county; fourteen have works >in progress, some projects are dormant, and some counties have had nothing done >as yet. The VCH website sets out the details overall, and the fourteen counties >with ongoing work have their own websites. (Links can be found at: >www.englandpast.net/vch_counties.html) The county sites include links to a >selection of online volumes and draft text of upcoming volumes. In addition, >these links go directly to British History Online ( http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ ) for a complete list of VCH volumes online. > >Recent News of the VCH >The Internet has been recognized as a way to inform people about the VCH and to >involve schools and communities in learning their local history. The Heritage >Lottery Fund recently made a grant of more than three million pounds for >associated programs in ten locations. The History Footsteps education resource >and online learning facility will benefit from this. Its website contains >materials to be used in schools. I recommend it for students of history of all >ages; the story of a farming village in Yorkshire is clearly presented, and >generated ideas for more research into the lives and surroundings of some of my >English ancestors. >These are the good news stories. The funding cuts are not, although the efforts >of staff and volunteers put a positive spin on the difficulties. They are >looking for innovative ways to keep the project work happening and for new >sources of support. > >Consider How You Can Help >I thought about how I might help. This article is one way, and making a >contribution is another. The VCH for any part of England is worth supporting and >for the county of one's ancestors, especially so. I hope you will visit the VCH >website, the Essex site, or any of the county sites, and consider joining me in >spreading the word and showing your appreciation of the efforts of all those >dedicated local historians throughout England and across the decades since 1899. >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >Sherry Irvine, CGRS, FSA Scot is an author, teacher, and lecturer specializing >in English, Scottish, and Irish family history. She is the author of Your >English Ancestry (2d ed., 1998) and Researching Scottish Ancestry (2003), and >she is a contributor to several publications. Since 1996, she has been a study >tour leader, course coordinator, and instructor for the Institute of Genealogy >and Historical Research at Samford University. She teaches online at >MyFamily.com. Recently she served a two-year term as president of the >Association of Professional Genealogists. >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > >==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >To POST a message to this list use the address: > >eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > >2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > >ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving >the messages individually or want them individually) or > >ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. >receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > >In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > >

Paul asked:- > Could SKS please look up the 1851 census for Sarratt, I am looking for > Samuel GIBBS and his wife Elizabeth, any children should ? be under 10 > as they married in 1841. Image sent off-list. Mike

In the Ancestry.com newsletter was the following article and I thought I'd share it. I've never heard of this before. I hope this proves of interest to others. I was dissappointed to see only 13 counties are completed ( http://www.englandpast.net/completed_counties.html ) with 14 counties in progress ( http://www.englandpast.net/vch_counties.html ) Here's the link for the completed Hertfordshire VCH: http://www.englandpast.net/hertfordshire.html Lots to read...but worth it! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * As the Records Show VCH: Three Letters Spell Untold Riches by Sherry Irvine, CGRS, FSA Scot Those of you who read my articles regularly may recall that from time to time I make reference to the Victoria History of the Counties of England, commonly called the Victoria County History (VCH). Family facts, resource information and new insights into the lives of my ancestors have all turned up in my numerous excursions through these volumes of local history. In this article I tell you more about the VCH and, in particular, about the project in the county of Essex, home to some of my ancestors and to many who left England for America in the 1600s. The VCH was a visionary idea at the end of the reign of Queen Victoria, hence the name. It set out to present an authentic and meticulous account of the history of English places and people. The completed counties (twelve, plus North Riding of Yorkshire) contain a history of all the towns and villages, which are usually described under several topics including manors and estates, economy, social history, religious activity, local government, and buildings. Preliminary volumes or sections cover a number of themes for the whole county. Essex Essex is an excellent example of the breadth and depth of material in the VCH. The first three volumes examine: (I) natural history, archaeology, Domesday Book; (II) ecclesiastical, political and economic history, and schools; (III) Roman Essex. Three volumes of bibliography have also been published, and volumes four to ten are topographical, each about a town or region. Volumes eleven and twelve continue the topographical accounts and are about places in Tendring Hundred, which includes the seaside resorts of Clacton and Frinton. Recently the Clacton VCH volunteer group produced Clacton at War, 1939-45, a story of transformation from seaside resort to frontline town. Details of contents of all volumes, with the names of the hundreds and parishes, are listed at the Victorian County History of Essex website. As you can imagine a project of this magnitude requires a huge amount of effort from many agencies and individuals--a core of professionals and an army of volunteers. Two wars and shortages of funds adversely affected the VCH up to 1950, when work resumed. Lately, changes in funding to county councils have resulted in local government economies and reduced funding for the VCH in Essex and elsewhere. In spite of all difficulties people remain dedicated, volunteers step forward to help, research and writing continue. Fortunately, anyone can show interest and support--I will explain about this in a moment. A Tool for Every Genealogist Genealogists are not the only ones interested in the work of the VCH. Historians, government officials, educators, and architects are among those who find value in a detailed historical record. The background and general sections provide context, the parish histories take us through the centuries, describing how people worked, lived, learned, played and worshipped. The accounts are full of names and precise document references. If we all researched the places where our ancestors lived in the same way (outlined at the Victoria County Histories website), no doubt many genealogical puzzles would be solved. In other words, the VCH is a source of research ideas as well. It is easy to investigate what has been done for any county; fourteen have works in progress, some projects are dormant, and some counties have had nothing done as yet. The VCH website sets out the details overall, and the fourteen counties with ongoing work have their own websites. (Links can be found at: www.englandpast.net/vch_counties.html) The county sites include links to a selection of online volumes and draft text of upcoming volumes. In addition, these links go directly to British History Online ( http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ ) for a complete list of VCH volumes online. Recent News of the VCH The Internet has been recognized as a way to inform people about the VCH and to involve schools and communities in learning their local history. The Heritage Lottery Fund recently made a grant of more than three million pounds for associated programs in ten locations. The History Footsteps education resource and online learning facility will benefit from this. Its website contains materials to be used in schools. I recommend it for students of history of all ages; the story of a farming village in Yorkshire is clearly presented, and generated ideas for more research into the lives and surroundings of some of my English ancestors. These are the good news stories. The funding cuts are not, although the efforts of staff and volunteers put a positive spin on the difficulties. They are looking for innovative ways to keep the project work happening and for new sources of support. Consider How You Can Help I thought about how I might help. This article is one way, and making a contribution is another. The VCH for any part of England is worth supporting and for the county of one's ancestors, especially so. I hope you will visit the VCH website, the Essex site, or any of the county sites, and consider joining me in spreading the word and showing your appreciation of the efforts of all those dedicated local historians throughout England and across the decades since 1899. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Sherry Irvine, CGRS, FSA Scot is an author, teacher, and lecturer specializing in English, Scottish, and Irish family history. She is the author of Your English Ancestry (2d ed., 1998) and Researching Scottish Ancestry (2003), and she is a contributor to several publications. Since 1996, she has been a study tour leader, course coordinator, and instructor for the Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research at Samford University. She teaches online at MyFamily.com. Recently she served a two-year term as president of the Association of Professional Genealogists. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Lou, I'm very sorry I didn't get back to you on your 1st mail but my email locked up and when I got back to it I had 200 mails to read. The prints came out exceptional - thanks you so very much. My g.g.g.grandfather (brother of the one who was in Burham Green School) was a Brewer in either Little Bushey or Bow - I suppose these are quite a distance from you? regards Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "B L Sharman" <lou@hertford2000.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: [HRT] RE: place name > Hi Carolyn, > > The place is Burnham Green, Tewin and it still has a single room of what was > once a school but is now used for local village activities. My own children > attended a pre-school group there some 25 years ago. And I live about a mile > from it now. I'll take a photo of it if you like. > > If I can help more please let me know. > > Regards, > > Lou > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carolyn Turner [mailto:carolynjt@dodo.com.au] > Sent: 20 August 2005 7:18 AM > To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: place name > > Hi listers, The 1861 census (from 1837 on line) for Edward W TURNER shows > the address as Barnham Green School .......Hill. I'm not sure if I would > have made out what the address was from my copy of the Census. It definitely > was a School as wife Caroline was a Governess and daughter Caroline was a > Teacher. Nothing comes up on Google. > > Can someone tell me if this is its correct name and where this was/is? > > regards > > Carolyn > > ______________________________ > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/8/05 > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. > > >

Hi all Could SKS please look up the 1851 census for Sarratt, I am looking for Samuel GIBBS and his wife Elizabeth, any children should ? be under 10 as they married in 1841. Paul

(I tried to send this message on Sunday, but used an old address of mine and it didn't get through. I have since corresponded with Beryl, but am sending the original message in case it's of interest to anyone else.) Beryl, I am so glad to know of someone else with this interest! I have found my research both intriguing and frustrating and will be very glad indeed to share notes. I'm Maria BRACEY's great-granddaughter, nee Anne GRAY, granddaughter of Alice Maud GRAY, nee BRACEY, Maria's 5th illegitimate child (your grandfather Ernest was her 3rd, I think) born in 1880. Do you have the photo of your grandmother Maud outside the shop in Gustard Wood? And the Wheathampstead video which shows Maud inside the shop? Have you been to the Wheathampstead website, which is a treasure trove? And do you have ANY CLUE AT ALL as to the father(s) of any of Maria's children, including Ernest Arthur and Alice Maud, along with Mary Ann, Charles Henry and Herbert George?? I have Maria's death certificate and will be glad to pass on details from that if you don't have it. I also have other info. about her parentage and siblings -- just let me know what you have and what you need -- apart from the elusive consort(s) which I'm sure we both crave! Happy to hear from you, second (?) cousin, and I look forward to the next instalment. Anne Treadwell, Nova Scotia -----Original Message----- From: Brian Winfield [ <mailto:brian.winfield1@ntlworld.com> mailto:brian.winfield1@ntlworld.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:05 AM To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Bracey I am interested in researching the Bracey family of Gustard Wood, Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire. My grandfather was Ernest Bracey, born 1875. He married Maud Carter in 1897. I am particularly interested in his mother Maria Bracey, born 1846. Many thanks, Beryl Woodhead

Can any lister help me. I am looking for the marriage in the Watford area of an Arthur Morton (or Moreton) Venables who may have married a woman named Powell around the years 1846 to 1848. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Merv Shearman Sydney, Australia

Dear Sarah, The one I am referring to is the old ruined one in the fields. The new one in town was not consecrated until 1854. However, I understand that the old churchyard was still used for burials until 1882. Valerie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Lynne" > > I'm just curious, would the old Thundridge church you are referring to be > the old ruined one out in the fields near Thundridge? Or the one in town? > > Sarah -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.10.13 - Release Date: 8/19/2005

Thanks very much for the info Derick . Thomas BIGG and Mary NEWMAN are the right names for my couple , but I don't know of any CATLIN or HANKIN links .so I've got a new line of investigation to pursue ( hurray <grin> ) . Unless of course these people are "habitual witnesses" in Hatfield . Does any lister know of these people ? Marriage in Hatfield Thomas Bigg of this Parish and Mary Newman of this Parish married by Banns Oct 12 1825 Witnesses- William Catlin, Sarah Catlin and Henry Hankin. I do have a James CATLIN married Mary Ann BIGGS in Rickmansworth in 1839 , but I've nothing to link the Rickmansworth BIGGS to those in Hatfield and Welwyn . (May I use this opportunity to plug again the online Hertfordshire BIGG(S) Project which aims to unscramble the BIGG(S) families of the 19th century and earlier ? If it might be of interest to you , or if you can contribute BIGG(S) data , please see this list's archives or contact me directly , off-list . ) Best wishes to all listers, Robert Hillier, Poole, Dorset

Janet Looks as if you are right as FreeBMDs page mapping shows that the page range for Ware should be around 1053 to 1073 and for Watford it should be around 1075 to 1092 HTH Paula

Hello Merv, According to Ancestry BMD records, Arthur Morton VENABLES married in the December quarter 1848 at Watford reg district, volume 6, page 1059. There does not appear to be a corresponding bride's name as the 3 other names given on the page were all shown as married in Ware registration district?? So I then did a search on 1837 online for the corresponding record and the page number appears to me to be more like 1089 which would make more sense as the other 3 names shown are a different reg district. It might be sensible, if no-one else on the list can find the marriage for you, to check on 1837 online just to make sure of the page number for yourself. Good luck. Janet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merv Shearman" <mervshearman@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: [HRT] Venables marriage > Can any lister help me. I am looking for the marriage in the Watford area > of an Arthur Morton (or Moreton) Venables who may have married a woman > named Powell around the years 1846 to 1848. > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Merv Shearman > > Sydney, Australia > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm >

Hi Paul, Herewith Jesse & wife in the 1851 census of Sarratt: PRO Ref: HO107/1714, folio 556, page 6 Schedule 25, Sarratt Jessey GAIZLEY Head Mar 30 Sawyer Herts St Albans Lydia do Wife Mar 28 Hand Loom Weaver do Sarratt Lydia CLARK Lodger U 58 Charwoman do do Dinah do lodger U 51 do do do Hope this helps. Janet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hood" <PaulHood@newmanandbond.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: [HRT] EDGE / GAZELEY > Hi all > Could SKS please look up the 1851 census for Sarratt. I am looking for > Linda GAZELEY and her husband Jesse, m at Holy Cross Sarratt on > 05/07/1841. searched 1881 without success. > Paul > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >

Hi all Could SKS please look up the 1851 census for Sarratt. I am looking for Linda GAZELEY and her husband Jesse, m at Holy Cross Sarratt on 05/07/1841. searched 1881 without success. Paul

hi pam, i will sent you my information shortly lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jivexx@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] sell/endersby > Hi > > I am also a direct descendant of ENDERSBY. Can u send me any details u > may > have. > > Pam > UK > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. >

I'l try that again shall I? Lou I have Pages and Wiltshires in Tewin during the 1800sand would very much appreciate a photo cheers Peter Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter" <bigbear@ihug.co.nz> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] RE: place name > Lou > > I ahve Pages Wiltshire who were in Tewin durng the 1800s - I too would > appreciate a copy fot eh phonto > > cheers > > Peter Page > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B L Sharman" <lou@hertford2000.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:04 PM > Subject: [HRT] RE: place name > > >> Hi Carolyn, >> >> The place is Burnham Green, Tewin and it still has a single room of what >> was >> once a school but is now used for local village activities. My own >> children >> attended a pre-school group there some 25 years ago. And I live about a >> mile >> from it now. I'll take a photo of it if you like. >> >> If I can help more please let me know. >> >> Regards, >> >> Lou >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carolyn Turner [mailto:carolynjt@dodo.com.au] >> Sent: 20 August 2005 7:18 AM >> To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: place name >> >> Hi listers, The 1861 census (from 1837 on line) for Edward W TURNER shows >> the address as Barnham Green School .......Hill. I'm not sure if I would >> have made out what the address was from my copy of the Census. It >> definitely >> was a School as wife Caroline was a Governess and daughter Caroline was >> a >> Teacher. Nothing comes up on Google. >> >> Can someone tell me if this is its correct name and where this was/is? >> >> regards >> >> Carolyn >> >> ______________________________ >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/8/05 >> >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the >> message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other >> readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. >> >> > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > >