Hello I have been on the list previously asking about this name so you may recognise it. I have now checked the parish records for Albury, Aldbury and Tring, and have found one baby's death but no mention of the name I am searching. If someone has access to the 1841 and/or 1851 Census for these districts could you please do a look-up for me, any mention of the surname would be helpful. John ALVAREZ c. 1830 His father reported to be Rev. D. ALVAREZ. Thanks Lorna.

Hi Susan, Rebecca was born Rebecca OSBORNE. She was bap 22 Apr 1787, Sawbridgeworth, illegitimate daughter of Mary OSBORNE (also spelt OSBOURN, etc). Rebecca OSBORNE married Thomas CUTMORE on 26 Oct 1807 at Much Hadham. Thomas CUTMORE was bap 20 Oct 1782, Much Hadham, son of John CUTMORE and Mary WRENN. I have nine children for Thomas CUTMORE and Rebecca OSBORNE: 1. Thomas CUTMORE, born 24 Jun 1809, Hull, Yorkshire. Married Ann (unknown). Lived in West Ham, Essex from 1861 to 1881. Had at least three children. 2. Rebecca CUTMORE, bap 24 Mar 1811, Much Hadham. Died 1886. Had an illegitimate son, George CUTMORE, in 1832 (living with his grandmother in 1851 and 1861). Rebecca later married William BOATMAN, 24 Jun 1836, Much Hadham. Had at least eight further children. 3. George CUTMORE, bap 4 Jun 1815, Much Hadham. Occupation: Publican/Brewers Labourer. Married Ellen (unknown). Had at least eight children. 4. Harriet CUTMORE, bap 7 Jun 1818, Much Hadham. Married??? 5. Caroline CUTMORE, bap 8 Apr 1821, Much Hadham. Married George CARTER, 1844, Bishops Stortford District. Had at least ten children. 6. Lydia CUTMORE, bap 29 Jun 1823, Much Hadham. Married James GAYLER, 1843, Bishops Stortford District. Had at least five children. 7. Louisa CUTMORE, bap 5 Feb 1826, Much Hadham. Married twice. Married Henry FELSTEAD, 1845, Bishops Stortford District. Had at least seven children. Next married Henry MATTHEWS, 1861, Bishops Stortford District. Had at least three children. 8. Marianne CUTMORE, bap 15 Jun 1828, Much Hadham. Married ??? 9. Eliza CUTMORE, bap 20 Jan 1831, Much Hadham. Buried 25 Jul 1837, Much Hadham. I hope this helps - do please let me know if you think we have a connection, or if you (or indeed anyone!) can add anything to the above. Best wishes, Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Le Grange" <susanlg@yebo.co.za> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Rebecca CUTMORE nee OSBORNE, Much Hadham 1851 > Hi > > My Osbornes came from Much Hadham and Little Hadam as well, can you tell me > Rebecca's parents names. > > Thanks > > Susan Le Grange - Johannesburg

Thanks for the amendment, Mike - I gathered you'd got it slightly adrift when I looked on the map. Never mind, we're all allowed the occasional senior moment (thank goodness!! ;-)) Cheers, Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Chaney" <michaelchaney@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Rebecca CUTMORE nee OSBORNE, Much Hadham 1851 > Oops! > > East is East and West is West > And the wrong one I have chose.. > > I wrote:- > > > From adjacent entries in the census return, I believe that this address is > > what is shown on both the 1883 and modern maps as Perry Green about a mile > > SSW of the town. > > That should have been SSE. > > Mike the erroneous Map Man

Hi Mike, Thank you so much for the 1851 census look up. Poor old Rebecca, having to work as an Ag Lab at the age of 66 (although one of my 3G Grandmothers here in Somerset was still apparently working as an Ag Lab when she was in her 80s!). All the best, Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Chaney" <michaelchaney@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Rebecca CUTMORE nee OSBORNE, Much Hadham 1851 > Susan... > > Here they be:- > > Great Hadham > Cottage > Farm Perry(?) Tye > > Rebecca CUTMORE Head W 66 Ag Lab (sic!) Sawbridgeworth > George CUTMORE Grandson U 17 Great Hadham > > From adjacent entries in the census return, I believe that this address is > what is shown on both the 1883 and modern maps as Perry Green about a mile > SSW of the town. I understand that Tye and Green are virtually synonymous. > > Note that, sometime between 1851 and 1861, Hadham decided it would much > rather be Much than Great. > > Mike

Oops! East is East and West is West And the wrong one I have chose.. I wrote:- > From adjacent entries in the census return, I believe that this address is > what is shown on both the 1883 and modern maps as Perry Green about a mile > SSW of the town. That should have been SSE. Mike the erroneous Map Man

Hi My Osbornes came from Much Hadham and Little Hadam as well, can you tell me Rebecca's parents names. Thanks Susan Le Grange - Johannesburg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Hembury-Kellow" <susan@avalon1999.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [HRT] Rebecca CUTMORE nee OSBORNE, Much Hadham 1851 >I wonder if some kind soul would do me a great favour, please, and see if > they can find my Rebecca CUTMORE (nee OSBORNE) in the 1851 census of Much > Hadham? Rebecca married Thomas CUTMORE (son of John CUTMORE and Mary > WRENN) at Much Hadham in 1807; Thomas died in 1949 and was buried at Much > Hadham on 16 Dec 1849, but Rebecca didn't die until sometime after 1861 - > I'm still trying to locate her death. I found Rebecca in the 1861 census > of > Much Hadham as follows (the enumerator had spelt her surname as CATMORE): > > 1861 census > Much Hadham, Hertfordshire > Rebecca CATMORE, Head, Wid, 77, Sawbridgeworth, Herts > George CATMORE, Grandson, Un, 28, Ag Lab, Much Hadham, Hertfordshire > > And of course, if any other listers have links to the above family, or > have > further info on the Much Hadham CUTMOREs, I would be very interested, and > am > always happy to share info! > > Best wishes, > > Sue > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > encouraged. > >

Su.... Will these suit? Throcking Josh DOUTON Head Mar 67 Ag. Lab Herts. Buckland Rhoda do Wife Mar 49 Herts. Cottered Wm do Son U 20 do do James do Son U 17 do do There were only ten dwellings and 51 souls recorded in 1851 so the DOUTONs were easy to find. Even today, driving through Throcking, blink and you've missed it! Nevertheless, it boasted a church and a resident rector in 1851. See http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/HRT/Throcking/index.html for information on Parish Records etc., but for post 1841, the family records centre or HALS are the first places to look, I would have thought. Mike . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Su Brown" <su.brown@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: [HRT] Throcking > Hi > has SKS got access to the 1851 census for Throcking. I am looking for any > mention of Dowton's. Also has anyone the parish records for 1841 onward > again I'm looking for any mention of Dowton. > thanks > Su Brown

Susan... Here they be:- Great Hadham Cottage Farm Perry(?) Tye Rebecca CUTMORE Head W 66 Ag Lab (sic!) Sawbridgeworth George CUTMORE Grandson U 17 Great Hadham From adjacent entries in the census return, I believe that this address is what is shown on both the 1883 and modern maps as Perry Green about a mile SSW of the town. I understand that Tye and Green are virtually synonymous. Note that, sometime between 1851 and 1861, Hadham decided it would much rather be Much than Great. Mike

I wonder if some kind soul would do me a great favour, please, and see if they can find my Rebecca CUTMORE (nee OSBORNE) in the 1851 census of Much Hadham? Rebecca married Thomas CUTMORE (son of John CUTMORE and Mary WRENN) at Much Hadham in 1807; Thomas died in 1949 and was buried at Much Hadham on 16 Dec 1849, but Rebecca didn't die until sometime after 1861 - I'm still trying to locate her death. I found Rebecca in the 1861 census of Much Hadham as follows (the enumerator had spelt her surname as CATMORE): 1861 census Much Hadham, Hertfordshire Rebecca CATMORE, Head, Wid, 77, Sawbridgeworth, Herts George CATMORE, Grandson, Un, 28, Ag Lab, Much Hadham, Hertfordshire And of course, if any other listers have links to the above family, or have further info on the Much Hadham CUTMOREs, I would be very interested, and am always happy to share info! Best wishes, Sue

Hi has SKS got access to the 1851 census for Throcking. I am looking for any mention of Dowton's. Also has anyone the parish records for 1841 onward again I'm looking for any mention of Dowton. thanks Su Brown

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I've tried unsubscribing in the correct way but I keep getting the message that informs me that I'm not a subscriber. Clearly I am as I keep getting copied on your items (for an example please see below). Could the List Owner please unsubscribe me. Thanks in advance, Martin Webb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Mann" <familytree91@yahoo.ca> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Spam > Ivan, > > A word of caution about e-mail filters. How do you control your filter > settings for "new-to-you" cousins to contact you via e-mail? I use > Hotmail's filter on one particular account. I used to use that address > for all my RootsWeb lists so that's the address found in the archives. > Forgetting I had left that e-mail address on a message board, I > discovered recently a new cousin had been trying for over 2 years to > contact me. It wasn't until I posted again with another e-mail address > that she was able to contact me. I know how much problem spam can be, > however sometimes we're working against ourselves by keeping the important > messages out. > > Judy > > Artist <irenerook@avired.com> wrote: > I use a Site and it filters all the junk mail once you have set it up you > can have a white list to select the people that are allowed to put emails > in you mail box I find it very good so give it a try its > http://www.0Spam.com/ note the O is a cero its free > Ivan Mondron Spain > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > >

> Hi as far as I know both these families are of Hertfordshire only although I will certainly contact you if I find out otherwise. Thanks Rosemary > From: "david judd" <david.judd3@btinternet.com> > Date: 2005/09/05 Mon PM 09:49:58 BST > To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [HRT] reposting interests > > Rosemary would your Humberstone and Warner families have any connections > with the Humberstone family of Stoneleigh (Warwickshire) and Warners of > Glapthorn (Northants), if so I would like to hear from you, I have more on > these two families, David Judd > > -----Original Message----- > From: rosemary.hill3@ntlworld.com [mailto:rosemary.hill3@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 05 September 2005 09:50 > To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HRT] reposting interests > > > I'm reposting the names and locations of my interests. If anybody has any > information or possible connection please could they get in contact. > ALDRIDGE/ALDERIDGE: earliest ancestor 1791 Gravely/Walkern > WARNER: earliest ancestor circa.1622 Walkern > JACKSON: earlist ancestor circa.1622 Walkern > BAKER: earliest ancestor circa. 1620 Walkern > HUMBERSTONE: earliest ancestor circa. 1681 Walkern > HARVEY: earliest ancestor circa. 1668 Walkern > BURNEDGE: earliest ancestor circa. 1655 Walkern > KNIGHT: earliest ancestor circa. 1740 Walkern > PICKETT: earliest ancestor circa. 1767 Walkern > BILTON: earliest ancestor circa. 1707 Walkern > SAVAGE: earliest ancestor circa. 1707 Walkern > STRATTON: earliest ancestor circa. 1760 Walkern > DAY: earliest ancestor circa. 1797 Walkern > AYLOTT: earliest ancestor circa. 1785 Hitchin > LAWMAN: earliest ancestor circa. 1785 Hitchin > BIRD: earliest ancestor circa. 1803 Hitchin and surrounding villages > PEACOCK: same as above > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged. > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Ivan, A word of caution about e-mail filters. How do you control your filter settings for "new-to-you" cousins to contact you via e-mail? I use Hotmail's filter on one particular account. I used to use that address for all my RootsWeb lists so that's the address found in the archives. Forgetting I had left that e-mail address on a message board, I discovered recently a new cousin had been trying for over 2 years to contact me. It wasn't until I posted again with another e-mail address that she was able to contact me. I know how much problem spam can be, however sometimes we're working against ourselves by keeping the important messages out. Judy Artist <irenerook@avired.com> wrote: I use a Site and it filters all the junk mail once you have set it up you can have a white list to select the people that are allowed to put emails in you mail box I find it very good so give it a try its http://www.0Spam.com/ note the O is a cero its free Ivan Mondron Spain __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks Janet -----Original Message----- From: Janet Booth [mailto:janbooth@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: 07 September 2005 14:40 To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HRT] HEDGE The only Philip & Harvey HEDGE I could find on the 1871 census via Ancestry are the following brothers in Rickmansworth: PRO Ref: RG10/1383, folio 29, page 23 Schedule 148, Western Inn Ann HEDGE Lodger Widow 38 Herts Rickmansworth George do Lodgers son Unm 19 Engine Cleaner do Sarratt Lucy do Lodgers daur Unm 16 Silk Throwster do do Philip do Lodgers son 11 do do do do Harvey do do do 6 Scholar do do The only Em(m)anuel HEDGE I could find (according to the 1901 census) was born in 1881 in Bushey, Herts, so doesn't appear on the 1871 census, but does on the 1891 of Watford: PRO Ref: RG12/1119, folio 36, page 26 Schedule 187, 9 Church Street Frederick HEDGE Head M 41 Bricklayer Herts Sarratt Elizabeth do Wife M 38 Greengrocer Beds Bedford Frederick T do Son 15 Bricklayer's Apprentice Leicester Leicester Edward do do 14 Greengrocer's Assistant do do Ernest do do 10 Scholar do do Emanuel J do do 10 do Herts Bushey Daisy A do Daur 7 do do Watford Albert do Son 6 do do do May (or Mary) do Daur 3 do do do Rose do do 1 do do Hope this helps. Janet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hood" <PaulHood@newmanandbond.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: [HRT] HEDGE > Hi all > Just looked on the 1901 census and found 3 HEDGE's that are probably > mine, but I have no connection for them. Could SKS please look up the > 1871 census for Sarratt, looking for Philip HEDGE born 1863 and Harvey > HEDGE born 1862. On the 1871 Census for Bushey could SKS please look up > Emanual J HEDGE born 1861. > Many Thanks > Paul > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== To POST a message to this list use the address: eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving the messages individually or want them individually) or ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe.

The only Philip & Harvey HEDGE I could find on the 1871 census via Ancestry are the following brothers in Rickmansworth: PRO Ref: RG10/1383, folio 29, page 23 Schedule 148, Western Inn Ann HEDGE Lodger Widow 38 Herts Rickmansworth George do Lodgers son Unm 19 Engine Cleaner do Sarratt Lucy do Lodgers daur Unm 16 Silk Throwster do do Philip do Lodgers son 11 do do do do Harvey do do do 6 Scholar do do The only Em(m)anuel HEDGE I could find (according to the 1901 census) was born in 1881 in Bushey, Herts, so doesn't appear on the 1871 census, but does on the 1891 of Watford: PRO Ref: RG12/1119, folio 36, page 26 Schedule 187, 9 Church Street Frederick HEDGE Head M 41 Bricklayer Herts Sarratt Elizabeth do Wife M 38 Greengrocer Beds Bedford Frederick T do Son 15 Bricklayer's Apprentice Leicester Leicester Edward do do 14 Greengrocer's Assistant do do Ernest do do 10 Scholar do do Emanuel J do do 10 do Herts Bushey Daisy A do Daur 7 do do Watford Albert do Son 6 do do do May (or Mary) do Daur 3 do do do Rose do do 1 do do Hope this helps. Janet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hood" <PaulHood@newmanandbond.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: [HRT] HEDGE > Hi all > Just looked on the 1901 census and found 3 HEDGE's that are probably > mine, but I have no connection for them. Could SKS please look up the > 1871 census for Sarratt, looking for Philip HEDGE born 1863 and Harvey > HEDGE born 1862. On the 1871 Census for Bushey could SKS please look up > Emanual J HEDGE born 1861. > Many Thanks > Paul > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm >

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Ruth Croft [mailto:ruth@croft2002.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: 07 September 2005 10:52 > To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HRT] Re One Name Study - Or One Place Study?? > > > > Re the one place study: I know some people do these, but I > haven't come > across a society for them as such. I'm a GOON, and I've often > wished my lot > had stayed put! That's because they're most likely called local historical societies! The one I belong to has been busily researching local residents of all periods and indexing local sources, including the 1841 census, the local parish registers, the tithe awards, various manorial sources, collections of old deeds, records of local industry, the oral history of elder residents, and so on, so if this ain't a one-place study I don't know what is! Furthermore, a fair number of our members are family rather than local historians; in many cases they joined the Hist Soc merely to have a chinwag with other local residents descended from old local families. I moved on to local history from genealogy (or rather, as well as genealogy), when I was faced with a dead-end on one of my trees and started looking through local wills and tax records for genealogical clues, ending up by constructing quite a large and complex picture of the goings-on of a widespread yeoman farming community spread across NE Herts and NW Essex. Still couldn't break the dead-end though - but I am 99% certain that the birth record I need would be in Clavering Congregational chapel's register - if it ever gets found again! Lawrence, Waltham Abbey, Essex (just about).

> -----Original Message----- > From: Family History [mailto:genealogy101@hotmail.com] > Sent: 06 September 2005 23:32 > To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HRT] Re One Name Study - Or One Place Study?? > > > ...but is there a > society like GOONS for one place studies?? To pick up pointers and learn how to research a community, try joining the local historical society nearest where you live, even if you have no ancestral ties there; you'll soon pick up on what sources are being researched or indexed and the methods involved, and before long you'll probably be more than ready to tackle the place you're really interested in! Of course, there may well already be a group researching its history. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Ha Haa! Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 06/09/2005

Tezz wrote: > Only problem is, its one of those parishes that has not given permission to > have its PRs filmed by the LDS and therefore does not appear on the IGI > unless the record has been submitted by a LDS church member.< I remember certain Roman Catholic clergy not wanting anything 'to do with Mormons' 40 years ago, but attitudes have changed a lot in recent times. I wonder if the parish in question might be more amenable now? The LDS has teams photographing/filming old records all over the world - and at the India Office Collection in the British Library constantly (Thank goodness!) It's always worth asking. Re the one place study: I know some people do these, but I haven't come across a society for them as such. I'm a GOON, and I've often wished my lot had stayed put! Regards, Ruth in Brum.