In a message dated 28/09/2005 03:51:15 GMT Standard Time, Dominicci@aol.com writes: Haven't gotten any postings from this list in several days....Is there something wrong somewhere? Not as far as I know, perhaps most are busy doing summat else. If anyone has any information about the HAMP families, and various spelling of same, who lived in Hertfordshire, Ware and Tring, or anywhere else in Herts, at any time, I would be very grateful to learn about it. Many thanks Lois In wet Northumberland UK

Haven't gotten any postings from this list in several days....Is there something wrong somewhere? Researching SPRIGINGS and all the varient spellings....SPRIGGINS, SPRIGGENS, SPRIGGINGS, SPRINGINGS, SPRIGIN, SPRIGEN, SPPEIGGINS, etc.,etc. Patricia Dominicci@aol.com On the other side of the big pond in Virginia Beach, VA

Thankyou Janet, for your email. At least 3 of these are mine and im sure the Lucy one will fit in when I get further back. Thanks again for all your help, this will definately give me some extra leads and start me off again. Happy family hunting Celia. Essex.

Hello Celia, From the 1851 census of Great Hallingbury: PRO Ref HO107/1706, folio 122, page 2 Schedule 3, Woodside Green Lucy DORINGTON Head W 72 Pauper Essex Gt Hallingbury James do Grandson U 22 Ag Lab Islington London Folio 127, page 10 Schedule 39 Samuel DORINGTON Head Mar 61 Labourer Herts Bp Stortford Sarah do Wife Mar 62 do do Thomas do Son U 17 Labourer Essex Gt Hallingbury From the 1861 census of Bishops Stortford: PRO Ref: RG9/809, folio 129, page 27 Schedule 166, New Town James DORRINGTON Head Mar 42 River Carpenter Essex Great Hallingbury Mary do Wife Mar 41 Hu? Shopkeeper Essex Rickling Samuel do Son 15 Bricklayers Lab do Little Hallingbury Charles do Son 10 Scholar Herts Bps Stortford George W do Son 8 do do do James do Son 1 do do From the 1851 census of Bishops Stortford: PRO Ref: HO107/1706, folio 424, page 55 Schedule 235, New Town James DORRINGTON Head Mar 31 Carpenter Essex Gt Hallingbury Mary do Wife Mar 31 do Rickling Samuel do Son 5 At Home do Little Hallingbury Charles do Son 3 mo Herts Bps Stortford Hope this helps. Janet. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cesilpaine@aol.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: [HRT] dorringtons at Great Hallingbury. > Hi everybody, Trying to find anybody with information on the Dorringtons > at > Great Hallingbury. Got all census for one family back to 1861, but don't > know > where to turn next. My oldest lead is James Dorrington born 1819 Great > Hallingbury who had sadly died by 1871. If anyone can help be truly > grateful. > Thanks. > Celia. > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the > message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other > readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. >

Hi everybody, Trying to find anybody with information on the Dorringtons at Great Hallingbury. Got all census for one family back to 1861, but don't know where to turn next. My oldest lead is James Dorrington born 1819 Great Hallingbury who had sadly died by 1871. If anyone can help be truly grateful. Thanks. Celia.

Hi Listers Could someone please look up a baptism and a marriage for me. John CALVERT or CULVER (or a variant of) born around 1796 in either Great or Little Munden. I think I have found his marriage in 1815 in Little Munden under the name CALVERT to a Sarah Peter PHILLIPS, and would love to know if parents names were mentioned then, or any other information. Thank you so much Lisa

Thanks David, I'll give it a try regards Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "david judd" <david.judd3@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 4:28 AM Subject: RE: [HRT] lookup at HALS - Brass rubbings > Carolyn have you tried looking on GOOGLE for Hertfordshire Brass Rubbings at > Therfield, as there is now a dedicated site available which lists details of > Brasses in churches throughout UK, David Judd > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carolyn Turner [mailto:carolynjt@dodo.com.au] > Sent: 18 September 2005 12:59 > To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HRT] lookup at HALS - Brass rubbings > > Hi listers, I have been advised by HALS that they hold a set of brass > rubbings of Turner family coffin plates in Therfield Church ref. D/P > 107/29/41. I have no idea if I could get a copy, are they for viewing only > or can they be photographed? Can SKS find out and let me know? > > > regards > > Carolyn > > Mackay, Qld, Aust. > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message > you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what > the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm > > >

Carolyn have you tried looking on GOOGLE for Hertfordshire Brass Rubbings at Therfield, as there is now a dedicated site available which lists details of Brasses in churches throughout UK, David Judd -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Turner [mailto:carolynjt@dodo.com.au] Sent: 18 September 2005 12:59 To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] lookup at HALS - Brass rubbings Hi listers, I have been advised by HALS that they hold a set of brass rubbings of Turner family coffin plates in Therfield Church ref. D/P 107/29/41. I have no idea if I could get a copy, are they for viewing only or can they be photographed? Can SKS find out and let me know? regards Carolyn Mackay, Qld, Aust. ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement.

Thanks Judy, Desley ----- Original Message ----- From: "hey wyre" <heywyre2002@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: RE: [HRT] Finchley, Middx > You might want to try this one: > > Middlesex_County_UK-L@rootsweb.com > > Judy > BC Canada > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Desley & Keith" <highbury@hotkey.net.au> > Reply-To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HRT] Finchley, Middx > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:50:18 +1000 > > Hello listers, > > I can't find a list for Middlesex. I know I'm on the wrong one here, but > hope someone can help me with some information. I want to know where I can > find the parish registers for St. Mary's Church in Finchley, Middlesex. > Is there a Finchley register office? I have checked all that the LDS have > filmed, but they are incomplete. > Do you think that means that the registers I need no longer exist? or are > there gaps in the LDS filming? > > Thanks, > Desley > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the > message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other > readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. >

Hello listers, I can't find a list for Middlesex. I know I'm on the wrong one here, but hope someone can help me with some information. I want to know where I can find the parish registers for St. Mary's Church in Finchley, Middlesex. Is there a Finchley register office? I have checked all that the LDS have filmed, but they are incomplete. Do you think that means that the registers I need no longer exist? or are there gaps in the LDS filming? Thanks, Desley

I am researching James and Hannah Kempster and have hit a brick wall. At the time of the 1851 census, he was a widower living in Flaunden aged 58 born Flamstead. He died on 27 July 1859 aged 67. His wife Hannah was born in Herts according to the 1841 census and died in Flaunden on 1 July 1844 aged 46 years. I visited HALS last week from Birmingham and checked out the marriage of James Kempster and Hannah Darey in Sarratt on 22 July 1815. Unfortunately no helpful additional information. Looking at Allen's Marriage Index, it would pear to be the only Herts marriage of a James Kempster and a Hannah. We searched the Flamstead PRs for the baptism of James Kempster without success. So advice and suggestions as to where we should search next would be greatly appreciated as I am not familiar with the county. I did wonder about the following IGI entry: James son of James and Mary Kempster born 5 Jan 1792 bapt 2 Feb 1792 at Wormley. We ran out of time so was unable to check this out . Would this be a reasonable line of enquiry? Wendy Pepper Barnt Green, Birmingham

Hi listers, I have been advised by HALS that they hold a set of brass rubbings of Turner family coffin plates in Therfield Church ref. D/P 107/29/41. I have no idea if I could get a copy, are they for viewing only or can they be photographed? Can SKS find out and let me know? regards Carolyn Mackay, Qld, Aust.

Dear list, I'm a new subscriber and I've just found that one of my ancestors was Mary LAWRENCE nee CHAPPEL - who in the 1851 census was married to John LAWRENCE and living in Edmonton. The reason I've subscribed to this list is that on that census she gives her birth place as Herts Pelham. Her age in 1851 is recorded as 57 putting her birth around 1794 and she apparently married two LAWRENCE's because on the birth cert. of one of the children of John and Mary LAWRENCE it gives mothers name as Mary LAWRENCE late LAWRENCE formerly CHAPPEL. Has anyone on this list come across Mary CHAPPEL in their research?? I have found on the IGI a Mary CHAPPEL marrying a William LAWRENCE in 1818 in Enfield which is where the LAWRENCE family seems to be from - however I haven't been able to find a birth record for a Mary CHAPPEL from Hert Pelham. Hoping someone can help Regards, Gay in NZ

You might want to try this one: Middlesex_County_UK-L@rootsweb.com Judy BC Canada ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Desley & Keith" <highbury@hotkey.net.au> Reply-To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Finchley, Middx Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:50:18 +1000 Hello listers, I can't find a list for Middlesex. I know I'm on the wrong one here, but hope someone can help me with some information. I want to know where I can find the parish registers for St. Mary's Church in Finchley, Middlesex. Is there a Finchley register office? I have checked all that the LDS have filmed, but they are incomplete. Do you think that means that the registers I need no longer exist? or are there gaps in the LDS filming? Thanks, Desley ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== To POST a message to this list use the address: eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving the messages individually or want them individually) or ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe.

Dear Listers, I have the following information but would love to have the actual image if someone would be able to help with that. The reference should be HO107 / 1707 folio 438 Census of 1851 Warren, Royston, Hertfordshire COOK Charles - head, married, 30, poulterer, born Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire Eliza - 31, born Dunton, Bedfordshire Elizabeth - daughter, 9 months, b Royston, Hertfordshire and 5 lodgers Thank you very much! Joan Canada

Hi Janet Thank you for your email, Ancestry is where i got it from, i have looked all through 1837 online i have also mailed the Trinidad mailing list but theres nothing, Thanks any way Happy hunting Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Booth" <janbooth@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] EMPSON & FROSSELL > Hi Sue, > > Have you got the 1901 census information for your Empsons?? Mary is in > Bramfield and is described as Head of household but married - could Henry > still be in Trinidad? The PRO Ref is RG13/1304, folio 7, page 5 and you > can do a free look-up for yourself at the moment on Ancestry and get all > the information. I can't find them on the 1891 census but that would > figure as looking at the birth dates of their children they would be in > Trinidad. Have you tried searching on 1837 online for their marriage? I > know it is a pay to view site, but both names are reasonably uncommon and > you would not have a large number of years to search. Sorry not to have > been of more help. > > Janet. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sue&gary" <ge.sa.f@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:02 PM > Subject: [HRT] EMPSON & FROSSELL > > >> Good Afternoon Everyone >> >> I would like to introduce myself as im new to this list. My name is Sue >> and i would love to contact anyone who is also trying to trace the tree >> on the above names, >> >> I would love to know if SKS could look up a marriage for Henry Empson and >> Mary Ann Frossell it must have been just before 1889 when their first >> child Violet Empson was born as they went to Trinidad ( thats where >> Violet was born) but the funny thing is their first three children was >> born in Trinidad then the fourth Margaret Lucy b.1894 was born in >> Hertfordshire then they had another in 1896 in Trinidad then 1900 they >> had Thomas Henry he was born in Bramfield Herts, >> >> I have know idea why Henry was in Trinidad wether he was a Policeman >> there!!!! i dont know if he died there or if he died in Hertfordshire i >> don't even have a birth date for him, I know he had died just after >> Thomas was born ( i think ) as Mary Ann had remarried by 17th Nov 1912 >> >> Any help or advice would be a really big help as i would love to find out >> more on Henry Empson, and if anyone would like any look ups in >> Nottinghamshire census i would love to do it for them. >> >> Warm wishes >> Sue >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> To POST a message to this list use the address: >> >> eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com >> >> 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: >> >> ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. >> receiving >> the messages individually or want them individually) or >> >> ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. >> receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) >> >> In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe >> or unsubscribe. >> > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >

Hi Sue, Have you got the 1901 census information for your Empsons?? Mary is in Bramfield and is described as Head of household but married - could Henry still be in Trinidad? The PRO Ref is RG13/1304, folio 7, page 5 and you can do a free look-up for yourself at the moment on Ancestry and get all the information. I can't find them on the 1891 census but that would figure as looking at the birth dates of their children they would be in Trinidad. Have you tried searching on 1837 online for their marriage? I know it is a pay to view site, but both names are reasonably uncommon and you would not have a large number of years to search. Sorry not to have been of more help. Janet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sue&gary" <ge.sa.f@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: [HRT] EMPSON & FROSSELL > Good Afternoon Everyone > > I would like to introduce myself as im new to this list. My name is Sue > and i would love to contact anyone who is also trying to trace the tree on > the above names, > > I would love to know if SKS could look up a marriage for Henry Empson and > Mary Ann Frossell it must have been just before 1889 when their first > child Violet Empson was born as they went to Trinidad ( thats where Violet > was born) but the funny thing is their first three children was born in > Trinidad then the fourth Margaret Lucy b.1894 was born in Hertfordshire > then they had another in 1896 in Trinidad then 1900 they had Thomas Henry > he was born in Bramfield Herts, > > I have know idea why Henry was in Trinidad wether he was a Policeman > there!!!! i dont know if he died there or if he died in Hertfordshire i > don't even have a birth date for him, I know he had died just after Thomas > was born ( i think ) as Mary Ann had remarried by 17th Nov 1912 > > Any help or advice would be a really big help as i would love to find out > more on Henry Empson, and if anyone would like any look ups in > Nottinghamshire census i would love to do it for them. > > Warm wishes > Sue > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. >

Good Afternoon Everyone I would like to introduce myself as im new to this list. My name is Sue and i would love to contact anyone who is also trying to trace the tree on the above names, I would love to know if SKS could look up a marriage for Henry Empson and Mary Ann Frossell it must have been just before 1889 when their first child Violet Empson was born as they went to Trinidad ( thats where Violet was born) but the funny thing is their first three children was born in Trinidad then the fourth Margaret Lucy b.1894 was born in Hertfordshire then they had another in 1896 in Trinidad then 1900 they had Thomas Henry he was born in Bramfield Herts, I have know idea why Henry was in Trinidad wether he was a Policeman there!!!! i dont know if he died there or if he died in Hertfordshire i don't even have a birth date for him, I know he had died just after Thomas was born ( i think ) as Mary Ann had remarried by 17th Nov 1912 Any help or advice would be a really big help as i would love to find out more on Henry Empson, and if anyone would like any look ups in Nottinghamshire census i would love to do it for them. Warm wishes Sue

Hi again Could I please add the name ALVARY to this request? It seems to be a transcription error in some places. many thanks. Lorna _____ From: Lorna & Brian Jones [mailto:snag@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, 13 September 2005 3:59 PM To: 'ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: 1841/1851 Census look-up ALVAREZ Hello I have been on the list previously asking about this name so you may recognise it. I have now checked the parish records for Albury, Aldbury and Tring, and have found one baby's death but no mention of the name I am searching. If someone has access to the 1841 and/or 1851 Census for these districts could you please do a look-up for me, any mention of the surname would be helpful. John ALVAREZ c. 1830 His father reported to be Rev. D. ALVAREZ. Thanks Lorna.

This is my first posting to this list. In the 1861 census George CARTER and his wife Mary Ann (nee STUDD ) both say that they were born in Rickmansworth, Herts. George was born about 1815 and Mary about 1820. I would be pleased to hear from anybody who is researching these names. Regards, Fred Waite, Lichfield, Staffs.