Would anyone have knowledge of the family of Walter ASHBY (b. 1843 at Aldbury, Herts) who was a farmer of 500+ acres at Studham from about 1875? His wife was Eliza BAILEY (b.1846 at Studham, d.1899 Studham). They were married at Studham October 17, 1871. Children of Walter and Eliza Ashby were: Gertrude J. Ashby, b. 1873 Aldbury William Henry Ashby, b 1875 Aldbury Florence Lizzie Ashby, b. 1879 Studham, Herts John Ashby, b. 1880 Studham Thomas Ashby, 1883 Studham Annie Ashby, 1884 Studham Marion Ashby, 1886 Studham Daisy Ashby, 1889 Studham Florence Lizzie Ashby married Frank Thomas King in 1906 at St. Mary the Virgin parish church at Oxford University. In 1912 they emigrated to Canada. Florence died in Alberta, Canada in 1938. Florence Ashby and Frank King were my grandparents. I have no knowedge of the members of the family of Florence Ashby aside from the above vital statistics, and I would be very interested to know anything about her family. Thankyou for any information. Sharon Starkey, nee King Vancouver Island, BC, Canada

Hello listers, Still on the trail of the elusive SEARLE'S. Have received a copy of a Hertford Mercury report of the coroner's inquest on John Se(a)rle. In this, it was mentioned that a son was "at GLASGOW's. A disreputable house". The police later found "Jehu (the son) sleeping at GLASGOW's with a prostitute". Can any one tell me whether Glasgow's was a private house, an inn or lodging house? The date of the offence was December 1846. Barbara ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Is there anybody on the list who is researching the family of Noah GEEVES/JEEVES (and other variants) of Hinxworth. According to the Militia List of Hinxworth he was described as a Labourer having 3 children by 1764. I am interested in learning the names of his children, specifically whether he had a daughter named Elizabeth who would have been born c. 1764 and may have married William GILLETT of Ashwell in 1788 at Ashwell. I have been searching for an Elizabeth JEEVES in the vicinity of Ashwell for sometime now and this family is certainly the closest I have found which I have not been able to eliminate. Any help would be much appreciated. Janet.

Valerie, Thanks a million. Keith. ----- Original Message ----- From: <valerie.edwards@primus.ca> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:10 AM Subject: [HRT] Re: Marriage information please ? > Dear Keith, > If you have difficulty finding Margot, it might be an idea not to rule her > out as being Margot Rose. In Stevenage in the 1960's we lived next door > to a Mr & Mrs Rose, who had changed their name from Rosenberg to sound > less Jewish! > Good hunting, > Valerie Edwards > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > encouraged.

Hi again, The SMITH I am looking for is George Henry * circa.1880 he had a daughter Elsie Isobel *1903 Watford and married to Mornington William George Howard in 1927. I see that your Joseph and Emily were married in 1905 - so of the same generation as George Henry but with a surname like SMITH ....... hey !!! ..... unless any of these name tie in with your family, it is a long shot. If I come across anything, will let you know. Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: keith hammond [mailto:ficus@euroweb.net.mt] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:32 PM To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HRT] Marriage information please ? Hi, my jack was son of Joseph Smith and Emily charge Jack was brother of my grandfather James Robert Smith. Any help would be great. Thanks. Keith. ----- Original Message -----

Hi, my jack was son of Joseph Smith and Emily charge Jack was brother of my grandfather James Robert Smith. Any help would be great. Thanks. Keith. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Buhagiar-Fountain" <wychwoods@telkomsa.net> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: RE: [HRT] Marriage information please ? > Hi Keith, > > This might be pure coincidence but I am also researching Smith's in > Watford > on behalf of my neighbour Lynda Grima. Her father Joseph lives in Malta > and one of the family names that came up was Jack but not too sure where > he > fits in. Coincidentally, my husband is also Maltese - Buhagiar - and I > have been trying to find info from Malta. Please let me know if there is > any connection. > > Regards, > > Yvonne. Western Cape, South Africa. > > ---Original Message----- > From: keith hammond [mailto:ficus@euroweb.net.mt] > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:49 PM > To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HRT] Marriage information please ? > > > Hi, > i live in Malta and have for some time been trying to find info on my > grandfathers family. I am looking for a marriage of a JACK SMITH to a > Margot Rosenberg. She was a jewish refugee and i think they had 2 sons > Mike > and daniel. I think they married around the war era. Jack was born in > Watford. Any help would be so very kind as i live in Malta and have no > access to records and no lds library on ther island.Thank you so much. > > Keith in Malta. > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the > message > you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers > what > the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. > > > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To POST a message to this list use the address: > > eng-hertfordshire-l@rootsweb.com > > 2) To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. > receiving > the messages individually or want them individually) or > > ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. > receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe.

Dot, Thank you. Keith, ----- Original Message ----- From: <gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Marriage information please ? > Hello Keith > > I think that it would be best to look on the 1837online website for the > marriage > > http://www.1837online.com/ > > The marriage certificate would give you the name of Jack Smith's father. I > suggest you look for the marriage using Margot Rosenburg's name as there > will probably be a lot of Jack Smiths around. You will need to buy the > viewing 'units' but £5 goes quite a long way. > > Good luck with your search > > Dot > in Salisbury, Wiltshire > > >> Hi, >> i live in Malta and have for some time been trying to find info on my >> grandfathers family. I am looking for a marriage of a JACK SMITH to a >> Margot >> Rosenberg. She was a jewish refugee and i think they had 2 sons Mike and >> daniel. I think they married around the war era. Jack was born in >> Watford. Any >> help would be so very kind as i live in Malta and have no access to >> records >> and no lds library on ther island.Thank you so much. >> >> Keith in Malta. >> >> >> ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the >> message >> you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers >> what >> the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. >> >> > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com

Hi Keith, This might be pure coincidence but I am also researching Smith's in Watford on behalf of my neighbour Lynda Grima. Her father Joseph lives in Malta and one of the family names that came up was Jack but not too sure where he fits in. Coincidentally, my husband is also Maltese - Buhagiar - and I have been trying to find info from Malta. Please let me know if there is any connection. Regards, Yvonne. Western Cape, South Africa. ---Original Message----- From: keith hammond [mailto:ficus@euroweb.net.mt] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:49 PM To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HRT] Marriage information please ? Hi, i live in Malta and have for some time been trying to find info on my grandfathers family. I am looking for a marriage of a JACK SMITH to a Margot Rosenberg. She was a jewish refugee and i think they had 2 sons Mike and daniel. I think they married around the war era. Jack was born in Watford. Any help would be so very kind as i live in Malta and have no access to records and no lds library on ther island.Thank you so much. Keith in Malta. ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement.

Hello Keith I think that it would be best to look on the 1837online website for the marriage http://www.1837online.com/ The marriage certificate would give you the name of Jack Smith's father. I suggest you look for the marriage using Margot Rosenburg's name as there will probably be a lot of Jack Smiths around. You will need to buy the viewing 'units' but £5 goes quite a long way. Good luck with your search Dot in Salisbury, Wiltshire > Hi, > i live in Malta and have for some time been trying to find info on my > grandfathers family. I am looking for a marriage of a JACK SMITH to a Margot > Rosenberg. She was a jewish refugee and i think they had 2 sons Mike and > daniel. I think they married around the war era. Jack was born in Watford. Any > help would be so very kind as i live in Malta and have no access to records > and no lds library on ther island.Thank you so much. > > Keith in Malta. > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > TRY to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message > you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what > the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. > >

Dear Keith, If you have difficulty finding Margot, it might be an idea not to rule her out as being Margot Rose. In Stevenage in the 1960's we lived next door to a Mr & Mrs Rose, who had changed their name from Rosenberg to sound less Jewish! Good hunting, Valerie Edwards

Hi, i live in Malta and have for some time been trying to find info on my grandfathers family. I am looking for a marriage of a JACK SMITH to a Margot Rosenberg. She was a jewish refugee and i think they had 2 sons Mike and daniel. I think they married around the war era. Jack was born in Watford. Any help would be so very kind as i live in Malta and have no access to records and no lds library on ther island.Thank you so much. Keith in Malta.

Hi I have just starting researching maternal great great grandparents, and am trying to trace a Joseph Newton, his siblings and parents. Joseph NEWTON married Susan HAMMOND in 1842 in Brent Pelham. Joseph's father on the certificate was named as John Newton a labourer and he was living in Brent Pelham. Looking at later census images I believe that Joseph was born in 1819. I have a subscription to the Genealogist and searching for Joseph on the 1841 index has an option in Braughing. I know that this is more or less next door so it could be the right person. My question is could anyone please do a look up for me in with reference supplied (H107435.pdf ). In return I have the London discus for 1841 and would willingly do a look up Denise Enfield Middx Ps - I have now done a further search and there is a Joseph Newton in Edwinstree, and also a young (15 year old) Susan Hammond also in Edwinstree. Can someone please let me know where Edwinstree is

Thanks Derick, I did actually have this. When I contacted Herts.Archives they replied "with reference to your criminal ancestors"!! I know that probably four of the immediate family were transported and a Cornelius SEARLE was involved in the crime that cost John his life but Cornelius (and possible Levi) have just surfaced - even the SEARLE descendants in Australia were unsure that Cornelius was in fact related, as he was born in Suffolk. I am awaiting the Hertford Mercury report of the coroners inquest, but still have no idea why Cornelius was born in Suffolk. Barbara ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Hi Yvonne Yours maybe ? George Howard head 58 Paper maker b. Loudwater,Bucks Caroline wife 48 Sarah dau 22 paper maker Frank son 20 Alice dau 14 Albert W son 10 Albert nephew 20 paper maker b. Wolvercott,Oxfordshire All others born Loudwater,Bucks and living at 22 The Mill Square,Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire In 1901 we have :--- At 23 Dickinson square,Rickmansworth George head 69 TimeKeeper at Paper works Caroline 60 Albert W 20 Fitters labourer Frank Bivand Grandson 5 b Croxley,Hertfordshire There was only one Bivand family in Hertfordshire (At least on the cencus 1901) So:---Living in WellHouse Lane,chipping Barnet Hertfordhire William head 61 Chimney Sweep b Brentford,Middlesex Mary wife 66 Henley on Thames,Oxfordshire John Randall S in Law 37 Soldier 7th Dragoon Guards Ashby de la Zouche,Leicestershire Hannah daughter 28 Whetstone,Middlesex There are but 22 Bivands on the 1901 and apart from the above they are all in the home counties except for a stray in Worcestershire Let me know if you would like details for all of them Regards,William in Sunny Adelaide,South Australia wgra0331@bigpond.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Buhagiar-Fountain" <wychwoods@telkomsa.net> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: [HRT] HOWARD > Please could I ask some kind person with access to either the 1891 or 1901 > census to do a look-up for ALBERT WILLIAM HOWARD *1881, living at 80 Queens > Ave, Watford, Herts. Information on other family members living at same > address would be of great help. Unfortunately I do not know where in Eng. > he was born and he also seems to have just missed 1881 census. > > Many thanks and regards, Yvonne (South Africa) > > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Hertfordshire FHS: > http://www.btinternet.com/~hfphs/index.htm >

Hi Barbara, I found this in a Hertfordshire Qr session Book in HALs Epithany Session 1838. John Searle of Bishops Stortford, for Assaulting Davey Brindley special constable 3 Mths Hard Labour . No other details. Derick ----- Original Message ----- From: <ellescott77@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: [HRT] > Hello Listers, > Am still trying to get some information on SEARLE family from Bishops > Stortford. I have: > Thomas SEARLE marr. Hannah GILBEY 1776 > John SEARLE B. 1797 marr. Kezia CLARK 1820. > John died in Hertford Gaol in 1847. > His son Esau was transported in 1848. Another son, Cornelius, who was born > in SUFFOLK in 1829 was also transported. Am trying to find out why family > were in Suffolk. Further children were born later in Bishops Stortford. > John's son William SEARLE born 1821 married (I think Sarah BRADFORD) and > they had son Thomas in 1843. I can trace a William and Sarah from 1861 > and Thomas and descendants forward from then. > I found Kezia SEARLE on 1851 census when it was online for a few days and > she was a servant for a family in Hockerill. Apparently she died in South > Mill,Bishops Stortford in 1875 but again I can find no record if this or > any later census details other than 1851. > I have sent for a couple of birth and marriage certs. where applicable but > would be grateful if anyone can fill in the missing details. > Barbara > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > > ==== ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the English County of Hertfordshire. Discussion of migration > patterns, immigration, heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, > family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > encouraged. >

Hi Dot thanks so much, definitely looks as though it could be the right one but am waiting on a birth cert. to confirm for sure. Many thanks and regards Yvonne. -----Original Message----- From: gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk [mailto:gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:42 PM To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HRT] HOWARD Hello Yvonne Hope this is the right one. All the surrounding houses were occupied by workers at the Paper Mill. 1891 Census Rickmansworth, Watford, Herts 22 Mill Square George Howard; Head; 58; Paper Maker;b. Loudwater, Bucks Caroline Howard; Wife; 48; b. Loudwater, Bucks Sarah Howard; Dau; 22; paper Maker; b. Loudwater, Bucks Frank Howard; Son; 20; Paper Maker; b. Loudwater, Bucks b. Loudwater, Bucks Alice Howard; Dau; 14; b. Loudwater, Bucks Albert W Howard; Son; 10; b. Loudwater, Bucks Albert Howard; Nephew; 20; Paper Maker; b. Lower Wolverscott, Oxfordshire Good luck with your searches Dot Salisbury, Wilts

Hi William, Thanks so much for the info, can't confirm as yet whether or not it is mine but definitely looks as though it is. Family names date etc. all fit in. Just waiting for a birth cert. and will then be able to confirm for sure. Not sure about the Bivand family though will have to check that one out. Many thanks and regards, Yvonne. -----Original Message----- From: William [mailto:wgra0331@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:59 PM To: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HRT] HOWARD Hi Yvonne Yours maybe ? George Howard head 58 Paper maker b. Loudwater,Bucks Caroline wife 48 Sarah dau 22 paper maker Frank son 20 Alice dau 14 Albert W son 10 Albert nephew 20 paper maker b. Wolvercott,Oxfordshire All others born Loudwater,Bucks and living at 22 The Mill Square,Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire I

Hello Yvonne Hope this is the right one. All the surrounding houses were occupied by workers at the Paper Mill. 1891 Census Rickmansworth, Watford, Herts 22 Mill Square George Howard; Head; 58; Paper Maker;b. Loudwater, Bucks Caroline Howard; Wife; 48; b. Loudwater, Bucks Sarah Howard; Dau; 22; paper Maker; b. Loudwater, Bucks Frank Howard; Son; 20; Paper Maker; b. Loudwater, Bucks b. Loudwater, Bucks Alice Howard; Dau; 14; b. Loudwater, Bucks Albert W Howard; Son; 10; b. Loudwater, Bucks Albert Howard; Nephew; 20; Paper Maker; b. Lower Wolverscott, Oxfordshire Good luck with your searches Dot Salisbury, Wilts on 22/10/05 11:03 am, Yvonne Buhagiar-Fountain at wychwoods@telkomsa.net wrote: > Please could I ask some kind person with access to either the 1891 or 1901 > census to do a look-up for ALBERT WILLIAM HOWARD *1881, living at 80 Queens > Ave, Watford, Herts. Information on other family members living at same > address would be of great help. Unfortunately I do not know where in Eng. > he was born and he also seems to have just missed 1881 census. > >

Hello Listers, Am still trying to get some information on SEARLE family from Bishops Stortford. I have: Thomas SEARLE marr. Hannah GILBEY 1776 John SEARLE B. 1797 marr. Kezia CLARK 1820. John died in Hertford Gaol in 1847. His son Esau was transported in 1848. Another son, Cornelius, who was born in SUFFOLK in 1829 was also transported. Am trying to find out why family were in Suffolk. Further children were born later in Bishops Stortford. John's son William SEARLE born 1821 married (I think Sarah BRADFORD) and they had son Thomas in 1843. I can trace a William and Sarah from 1861 and Thomas and descendants forward from then. I found Kezia SEARLE on 1851 census when it was online for a few days and she was a servant for a family in Hockerill. Apparently she died in South Mill,Bishops Stortford in 1875 but again I can find no record if this or any later census details other than 1851. I have sent for a couple of birth and marriage certs. where applicable but would be grateful if anyone can fill in the missing details. Barbara ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Please could I ask some kind person with access to either the 1891 or 1901 census to do a look-up for ALBERT WILLIAM HOWARD *1881, living at 80 Queens Ave, Watford, Herts. Information on other family members living at same address would be of great help. Unfortunately I do not know where in Eng. he was born and he also seems to have just missed 1881 census. Many thanks and regards, Yvonne (South Africa)