From: [email protected] > Looking for any siblings of John Cutler born 1748 in Hemel Hempsted > (or possibly Tring/Berkhampstead). He married Ann Bull born 1752 of > Hemel Hempsted (or possibly Tring/Berkhampstead) in the Church of > England Tring 11 Oct 1773.> Do you take any notice of advice you are given, with respect? I pointed out to you in a previous message that there is no baptism on the IGI for John Cutler and that his presumed birth has probably been arrived at by the simple device of deducting 25 years from the marriage date. This is a well-known technique of the LDS Church with which some of us disagree and find irritating! John may have been born in or about 1748 but, equally, he could have been born earlier or later. If, say, he was a widower who had been married previously, he might have been quite a lot older than you suggest. I have seen alleged birth years in the IGI which turned out to be many years out for various reasons. A presumption of birth in 1748 just because he married 25 years later is a dangerous thing to do and may send your research down the wrong alley! As I keep telling you, you should hire a researcher to actually look at the parish registers (and I am not volunteering myself, BTW, because I don't act for private clients). -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

You might also want to take note that there are CUTLERs also in the Warwickshire area at that time Judy BC Canada _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with free Messenger emoticons. Get them today! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207

Hi Jan, Not sure what's happening with this thread but I take it that the comments at the top were written by Roy and not you? Why the email has come from you though I don't know. I'm not sure why he is saying those comments, as I never said he was an amateur - it's me that's the amateur as clearly stated underneath my name. Never mind. And please don't worry about what he wrote about my answer to your email. I appreciate it when people take the time and trouble to search the archives for records/possible facts and I always thank people for their replies and say 'that's great'. I wouldn't dream of saying anything else. I save the information and deal with it accordingly. Kind regards, Diana

Hello Roy, Thank you for your emails - and apologies for not replying to your earlier ones. I'm not sure what happened there as I usually answer all emails to me, but I do have hundreds of emails here and looking back I must have read them quickly but, as they needed an in-depth reply, kept them open ready for replying. However, in the meantime, I tried another search (as this query is driving us to distraction) in the hope that something might turn up. And it has, because as you have kindly informed me, there is no way that Tring and Edgware can be connected as regards to records (when I say records I mean baptisms etc as I know the BMD didn't start until 1837.) Therefore, I now have a new theory. On Family Search William christened 1824 Tring is down as being the son of John Cutler and Sophia Munday of Tring. And we have attributed Charles to being their son too. Perhaps this is wrong. Maybe there is another William Cutler born Edgware who is the right brother for Charles but not belonging to John and Sophia Cutler. I have always suspected this might not be right, but there must be some connection because the canvas weaving business is prominent throughout the family. I wonder if the boys were born in Edgware but lost their parents for some reason and were taken on (and so christened in Tring) by family in Tring? Charles Cutler born 1816 is on all the censuses from 1851 as being born in 1816 in Edgware, Middlesex. He is a canvas weaver. I'm sure someone found out before that he and his wife Mary are on the 1841 census but are listed as being both of the local area i.e. Tring. Hence my confusion about counties. Charles and William married sisters Mary (Charles) and Sarah Ann Bryant (William). Both act as witnesses for each other's wedding. Maybe we have this all wrong. With regard to John Cutler (Cuttler) my contact found he was born in Hemel Hempsted (which is also known as Tring at times on censuses so is confusing) as was Ann Bull but they married in Tring. There is evidence somewhere (can't think where off hand) that John Cutler had an adult christening in 1805 at the age of 60. I am the first to agree that presumptions cannot be made but sometimes guesswork does have to come into the equation as records/archives are not 100% correct in the first place, and names are repeated so often, wills can be confusing and misleading etc etc. It would be impossible for me to go to Tring to check any records (the distance plus my eyes are not good for microfiche) but I am due to go to the London Metropolitan Archives soon so I can perhaps check on Charles Cutler in Edgware. The Cutler tree is immensely huge and my contact and I have worked hard on it connecting it to so many other families and building up a very interesting history. We don't expect it to be anywhere near to 100% right (I shouldn't think anyone has a 100% correct tree - just one error and it can throw a whole family tree out) but I have tried seeing beyond the box and taking into account where people lived, family who live in the same street, and other clues that pointed me to a certain direction. I don't ned to hire a researcher (it never entered my head to ask you to research for me by the way) as I search for other people for the sheer love of helping others - don't always find anything or get it right, but I try. And thankfully, I have found out loads of stuff for people - even members of the SOG - records or snippets of information they had missed. Every little bit helps I find. Anyway, thank you for your comments although the tone of your emails could have been a lot softer. Diana Amateur genealogist, amateur writer, member of the RHS

Thanks Jan, that's great. Regards, Diana

I'm sorry to Diana, and I'm sorry to the group for this exchange of "attitude" between Roy and I. This group is meant to be a sharing portal of information on our families from Hertfordshire. I am more than happy to assist anyone who needs it off list. I can't stomach the rude and condescending comments of some members. Peace to all, Thanks, Jan, GC.C, BA (FS) Palfery/Crane/Harper/Kenny Family genealogist - 28 years [email protected] wrote: Hi Jan, Not sure what's happening with this thread but I take it that the comments at the top were written by Roy and not you? Why the email has come from you though I don't know. I'm not sure why he is saying those comments, as I never said he was an amateur - it's me that's the amateur as clearly stated underneath my name. Never mind. And please don't worry about what he wrote about my answer to your email. I appreciate it when people take the time and trouble to search the archives for records/possible facts and I always thank people for their replies and say 'that's great'. I wouldn't dream of saying anything else. I save the information and deal with it accordingly. Kind regards, Diana --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

I don't look at it as making dangerous "assumptions". I look at it as being another "possibility" to be researched. PS: I have been a genealogist for 28 years, and every piece of information in my database has been verified by at LEAST 2 resources. By far, I am not an ameteur. Roy Stockdill <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] > Thanks Jan, that's great.> I keep telling you that you are making dangerous assumptions! The William Cutler posted by Jan may be the one you seek, but on the other hand he may not. For one thing, you said your William Cutler was born at Edgware or Tring. in 1816. A baptism in 1824 is by no means impossible, since many children were baptised late. But as I told you previously, these are simply not the same place at all and they are quite likely to be different men. Enter "William Cutler" with variants on the 1841 census and you get 166 results at findmypast.com. Most of these are Cutlers but a few are Cuttlers (with a double T) and there are a couple of CATLERs that could quite easily be Cutlers also. They are spread all over the country, so you must refine the search. The family that Jan posted, of John and Sophia Cutler at Tring, also had in their household the following: Ann and Eliza Cutler, both 20; William Cutler, 15; John Cutler, 1 month. The William is obviously the one that Jan found on the IGI but his age doesn't equate to a William Cutler born in or about 1816. The Ann and Eliza and John may not necessarily have been siblings of William, since the 1841 doesn't show relationships. And the Ann and Eliza could have been any age from 20 to 24, since ages in 1841 were reduced to the nearest lower multiple of five. Before saying "Great" you really ought to do more research, i.e. as I have suggested several times in the parish registers. You should NEVER construct a family tree just from the IGI and census returns, because you may be in danger of following the wrong family tree altogether. Please take the advice of an expert and one who has been at this game for over 30 years. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Hi all, Looking for any siblings of John Cutler born 1748 in Hemel Hempsted (or possibly Tring/Berkhampstead). He married Ann Bull born 1752 of Hemel Hempsted (or possibly Tring/Berkhampstead) in the Church of England Tring 11 Oct 1773. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Diana

Hi listers, Can anyone find any siblings for Joseph Garnett born 1740 in Kimpton, Hertfordshire - died 1805. He married in Tring which isn't far away so Garnetts may be found there. I am also looking for a Garnett/Cutler marriage which would connect the two families. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Diana

Hi listers, Charles Cutler is detailed on the censuses as being born in Edgware, Middlesex in 1816. Possibly a brother called William is listed as being born also in Edgware (and sometimes Tring) in 1824. Can anyone find records to verify this at all? If anyone has BMDs for this area can they please look up any other possible brothers/sisters/parents? I would be most grateful. They both ended up in Tring, Hertfordshire with all the other Cutlers and I am wondering if Edgware actually came under the Berkhampstead umbrella in those days? Or maybe the boys were orphaned and sent to Tring to be brought up by family? Regards, Diana

Hi Diana, There's a William Cutler christened 4 Jan 1824 in Tring. He has a brother named George christened on 2 June 1828 also in Tring. Their parents are John Cutler & Sophia Munday, who were married on 11 Aug 1811 in Tring. Does this help? (I got this from www.familysearch.org ) Click on the "Search" box at the top. On the next screen, you click on " International Genealogical Index". To find siblings, you simply type in the person's name, approx. year they were born, region, country and county. When the name comes up, at the bottom of your screen on the right there is a "batch" number. Click on that, then type in just the name "cutler" and click on "birth", (you don't have to put the approximate year in), choose region, country, and county.. then click. A list of names will come up and you can see all the Cutlers born in that county that are on that particular film. From there, you can find siblings quite easily Hope this helps, Jan [email protected] wrote: Hi listers, Charles Cutler is detailed on the censuses as being born in Edgware, Middlesex in 1816. Possibly a brother called William is listed as being born also in Edgware (and sometimes Tring) in 1824. Can anyone find records to verify this at all? If anyone has BMDs for this area can they please look up any other possible brothers/sisters/parents? I would be most grateful. They both ended up in Tring, Hertfordshire with all the other Cutlers and I am wondering if Edgware actually came under the Berkhampstead umbrella in those days? Or maybe the boys were orphaned and sent to Tring to be brought up by family? Regards, Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

HALS offers a research service for £7 per 15 mins.. which I guess would cover the 2 lookups here? > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:33:13 +0000> Subject: Re: [HRT] Cutler or is it Butler?> > From: [email protected]> > > Regarding my post re: John Cutler and Ann Bull's marriage, I have just> > found on Family Search a marriage for Ann Bull born 1752 of Hemel> > Hempstead married to John Butler born 1748 of Hemel Hempstead on > 11 Oct 1773 at Hemel Hempstead. > > > > Can anyone verify which is the true marriage please?>> > I should point out that the Hemel Hempstead marriage has an A batch > number, indicating it is a private submission by an LDS member? These > are unreliable until formally checked with an official source, i.e. the parish > registers of HH. You should also regard with suspicion the alleged "about > 1752" birth date given for Ann Bull. These entries are notoriously > unreliable, being arrived at merely by deducting 25 years from a marriage > date for a male and 21 years for a female - a practice which the LDS > Church persists in, to the annoyance of some of us who prefer much > better evidence!> > I note that the Bull-Cutler marriage was at Tring and has an M batch > number, making it more reliable as an officially extracted entry from the > parish registers (clicking on Source Call establishes this).> > However, you cannot assume that this was the same marriage!!! Ann > Bull is not an entirely uncommon name and it is perfectly possible there > were two of them, one of whom married a John Butler at Hemel > Hempstead and the other of whom wed a John Cutler at Tring. I know it > seems rather a coincidence if both were on the same day, but > coincidences abound in genealogy.> > Obviously, Tring and Hemel Hempstead are two entirely separate and > different parishes, so you will either have to hope somebody has access > to both sets of registers or hire a researcher to go to the Hertfordshire > Record Office. Maybe the Herts RO has its own research service, so look > on their website. However, either way it will cost you money.> > --> Roy Stockdill> Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html> > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about."> OSCAR WILDE> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the next generation of Windows Live http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live

Thank you so very much, Dave; that's brilliant! Barbara On 3/26/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello, > Mason (Masen,Massun) > > 1489 - 90 > Item of<John> Jone Mason widow 18d > Receipts of Rents for the said Year > > 1431 - 1440 > Paid to John Mason and his 2 sons for raising and leveling > the western side of the churchyard next to the belfry 4d > > 1479 - 1480 > Rychard Massun for rente of the tenement latte John Spicer 15d > > Receyved of Richard Massun for Elisabet Spicer dette 2s 3d > > 1479 1480 > Item payed to Wyllem Massun for lettyng wyth the quarrymen > with mending of the stepyll dore 10d > > payd John Pettford for fettying of Wyllem Massun at > Hadham for the same tyme 2d > > Item payd to Willem Massun for settyng in of the candilsteke > be fore <servyce> the brunne rode 10d > > Item payd to Wyllem Massun for mending of the south porche 4d > > Item payd to the same Wyllem for making of the wyndowys > on the north syde of the cherch in grete 8s 2d > > 1489 1490 > Item paide to William Mason for makyng of the standyng for > the pascall in the chaunsell 4d > > ..... William Mason for makyng of a pliq in the stepill > wyndowe in ...... 4d > > Item paide to William Mason at another tyme for the > werkmanship of the batilment 20d > > Item to William Mason for mendyng of the <buteras> > butteres and the chirche walle 16d > > Item paide to William Mason at the end of his werke 13s 4d > > Item to [the] same William for settyng of Seynt Jonys > candill stik in the walle 2d > > Item to [the] saide William for mendyng of the chirch > howse 14d > > 1492 1493 > Paid to William Mason for repairing various defects on the > 'le pathment' in the same church 2d > > 1494 1495 > Paid William Mason for repairing 'lez stayres' going around > 'le vice', by fixed-price agreement 6d > > 1502 1503 > Item ressaywyde a William Masen arereg for 2 yeres 12d > > Item Wylliam Masen for undarpynnyng and pargatyng > and met and drynke a bowe the same 15d > > Item payde to Prene and to Wylliam Masen for flowerynge > a the cherche howse 3 d > > Item payde to Wylliam Masen for wheyte leymeyng a the > grete chambare and pargatynge 2d > > Item payde to Wylliam Masen for laying the stone at the > chawnsel dore 2d > > 1503 1504 > Item ressayvvde arerage a Wylliam Masen for Thressarys > howse 6d > > Item ressayvvde a Wylliam Mason for Thressarys howse > of thys yere rente 6d > > Item payde to Wylliam Masen for mendyng the crose and the > cherche flowere 10d > > > Hope this information helps your search. > > Dave Howe > -------------- Original message from "Barbara Wyley" <[email protected]>: > -------------- > > > > Hello Dave, > > > > Very generous of you to offer look-ups in the Bishop's Stortford book. > May > > I take you up on that offer, and request any references to the surname > > MASON, please? > > > > Much appreciated, many thanks, > > > > Barbara > > > > > > On 3/26/08, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > Sorry, your kin are not listed. > > > > > > Dave Howe > > > -------------- Original message from "Valerie Tomlinson" < > > > [email protected]>: -------------- > > > > > > > > > > Hello D. Howe > > > > > > > > Would you kindly see if there are any FARQUHARSON in your Bishops > > > Stortford > > > > Book. > > > > > > > > Thanking you with much appreciation for your offer of lookups. > > > > > > > > Valerie > > > > South Australia > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Dave, Very generous of you to offer look-ups in the Bishop's Stortford book. May I take you up on that offer, and request any references to the surname MASON, please? Much appreciated, many thanks, Barbara On 3/26/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry, your kin are not listed. > > Dave Howe > -------------- Original message from "Valerie Tomlinson" < > [email protected]>: -------------- > > > > Hello D. Howe > > > > Would you kindly see if there are any FARQUHARSON in your Bishops > Stortford > > Book. > > > > Thanking you with much appreciation for your offer of lookups. > > > > Valerie > > South Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi. I am trying to trace my grandfather Samuel Kimpton from Hertfordshire, possibly Abbots Langley and born in either 1837 or most likely 1839. I would appreciate any help you can offer as to his family etc. George Kimpton

George, There is a Samuel KIMPTON, born c 1839 at Abbots Langley in the 1851 census of St Albans (HO107/1713, folio 578, page 4). He is described as a Servant Agricultural Labourer living in the household of Samuel STOW, a Farmer, at White House. And in the 1841 census of Abbots Langley (HO107/438/1, folio 24, page 2), There is the following family: Maria KIMPTON 25 Born in county yes Samuel do 4 yes George do 2 yes William do 16 Ag Lab yes Any good?? Janet > Hi. I am trying to trace my grandfather Samuel Kimpton from Hertfordshire, > possibly Abbots Langley and born in either 1837 or most likely 1839. I > would appreciate any help you can offer as to his family etc.

Hello, Mason (Masen,Massun) 1489 - 90 Item of<John> Jone Mason widow 18d Receipts of Rents for the said Year 1431 - 1440 Paid to John Mason and his 2 sons for raising and leveling the western side of the churchyard next to the belfry 4d 1479 - 1480 Rychard Massun for rente of the tenement latte John Spicer 15d Receyved of Richard Massun for Elisabet Spicer dette 2s 3d 1479 1480 Item payed to Wyllem Massun for lettyng wyth the quarrymen with mending of the stepyll dore 10d payd John Pettford for fettying of Wyllem Massun at Hadham for the same tyme 2d Item payd to Willem Massun for settyng in of the candilsteke be fore <servyce> the brunne rode 10d Item payd to Wyllem Massun for mending of the south porche 4d Item payd to the same Wyllem for making of the wyndowys on the north syde of the cherch in grete 8s 2d 1489 1490 Item paide to William Mason for makyng of the standyng for the pascall in the chaunsell 4d ..... William Mason for makyng of a pliq in the stepill wyndowe in ...... 4d Item paide to William Mason at another tyme for the werkmanship of the batilment 20d Item to William Mason for mendyng of the <buteras> butteres and the chirche walle 16d Item paide to William Mason at the end of his werke 13s 4d Item to [the] same William for settyng of Seynt Jonys candill stik in the walle 2d Item to [the] saide William for mendyng of the chirch howse 14d 1492 1493 Paid to William Mason for repairing various defects on the 'le pathment' in the same church 2d 1494 1495 Paid William Mason for repairing 'lez stayres' going around 'le vice', by fixed-price agreement 6d 1502 1503 Item ressaywyde a William Masen arereg for 2 yeres 12d Item Wylliam Masen for undarpynnyng and pargatyng and met and drynke a bowe the same 15d Item payde to Prene and to Wylliam Masen for flowerynge a the cherche howse 3 d Item payde to Wylliam Masen for wheyte leymeyng a the grete chambare and pargatynge 2d Item payde to Wylliam Masen for laying the stone at the chawnsel dore 2d 1503 1504 Item ressayvvde arerage a Wylliam Masen for Thressarys howse 6d Item ressayvvde a Wylliam Mason for Thressarys howse of thys yere rente 6d Item payde to Wylliam Masen for mendyng the crose and the cherche flowere 10d Hope this information helps your search. Dave Howe -------------- Original message from "Barbara Wyley" <[email protected]>: -------------- > Hello Dave, > > Very generous of you to offer look-ups in the Bishop's Stortford book. May > I take you up on that offer, and request any references to the surname > MASON, please? > > Much appreciated, many thanks, > > Barbara > > > On 3/26/08, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Sorry, your kin are not listed. > > > > Dave Howe > > -------------- Original message from "Valerie Tomlinson" < > > [email protected]>: -------------- > > > > > > > Hello D. Howe > > > > > > Would you kindly see if there are any FARQUHARSON in your Bishops > > Stortford > > > Book. > > > > > > Thanking you with much appreciation for your offer of lookups. > > > > > > Valerie > > > South Australia > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: [email protected] > Regarding my post re: John Cutler and Ann Bull's marriage, I have just > found on Family Search a marriage for Ann Bull born 1752 of Hemel > Hempstead married to John Butler born 1748 of Hemel Hempstead on > 11 Oct 1773 at Hemel Hempstead. > > Can anyone verify which is the true marriage please?> I should point out that the Hemel Hempstead marriage has an A batch number, indicating it is a private submission by an LDS member? These are unreliable until formally checked with an official source, i.e. the parish registers of HH. You should also regard with suspicion the alleged "about 1752" birth date given for Ann Bull. These entries are notoriously unreliable, being arrived at merely by deducting 25 years from a marriage date for a male and 21 years for a female - a practice which the LDS Church persists in, to the annoyance of some of us who prefer much better evidence! I note that the Bull-Cutler marriage was at Tring and has an M batch number, making it more reliable as an officially extracted entry from the parish registers (clicking on Source Call establishes this). However, you cannot assume that this was the same marriage!!! Ann Bull is not an entirely uncommon name and it is perfectly possible there were two of them, one of whom married a John Butler at Hemel Hempstead and the other of whom wed a John Cutler at Tring. I know it seems rather a coincidence if both were on the same day, but coincidences abound in genealogy. Obviously, Tring and Hemel Hempstead are two entirely separate and different parishes, so you will either have to hope somebody has access to both sets of registers or hire a researcher to go to the Hertfordshire Record Office. Maybe the Herts RO has its own research service, so look on their website. However, either way it will cost you money. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Regarding the Hugh Wallis website, it is not as completely up to date with entries as the actual LDS website. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Joseph Garnett of Kimpton or Tring > You could try Hugh Wallis's web site which allows you to search particular > parishes that are on the IGI. I note that both Hemel Hempstead and Tring > are listed. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/ > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: [HRT] Joseph Garnett of Kimpton or Tring > > >> Hi Sandra, >> >> Yes, I'm not thinking straight. Of course you are right - and I've just >> looked at my records and I have no siblings for John Cutler at all. So, >> how can >> I find them? >> >> Diana >> >> Not necessarily so. John could equally be a child of a wife's brother >> or >> sister (assuming that Joseph Garnett had been married at some time. >> Sandra >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [HRT] Joseph Garnett of Kimpton or Tring >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1341 - Release Date: >> 24/03/2008 15:03 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1341 - Release Date: > 24/03/2008 15:03 > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4939 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Dave Howe Thank you, that is very interesting, l have never come across that way of spelling ELLIOTT (Helyat) but many similar.this will certainly put some meat on the bones, thanks again for your time. regards Margaret. Researching EL(L)IOT(T) in Herts and Bucks ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Bishops Stortford > page 322 > 1557 58 > Receptes of the Assessementes > Of George Eliot 12d > > page 171 > 1521-22 > Foreign Receipts [monies under misc catagories] > Item of John Elyat for the wast of the torchis at the > buryall of his wyfe 16d > > (torches were the candles used at the burial) > > pages 294 295 [note in these entries Elliot is spelled Helyat] > 1548 - 50 > This anno 1549, Dyscharge me > > Payd to father Jhon, Patrykes father, by the adfyse of Jhon Helyat, > Rayff Clarke and Rychard Pylstone and Master Patmer in > halmys, sum 20d > > Payd to Persy Clarke for the altrynge of the servys bought of > Lattyne in the Ynglis by the conseynt of the vykar, Master > Carow, Master Jhon Helyat with other, sum 2s 0d > > Thys anno 1548 Dyscharge me > > Payd to Persy Clarke at the seconde tyme by the com > mandement of Master Tomosone, Master Helyat, Master > vykar, RychardPylstone, Rayff Clarke with other for the > transposyng wons a gayne of the servys hought of Lattyne > in to Ynglys, sum 3s 4d > > This in anno 1548, Dyscharge me > > Payd the 19th day of March anno 1549 [8 hasbeen altered to 9] > at Warre when they weynt a four Mastor Barley wone of the comysenars to > mke sertyfycathe of all the chyrche goodes as shall > s peyre by the Kinges hynvenetory indentyd uonder thees namys that follos: > John Helyat, Thomas Patmer, George Thomsone, > William Pygat, Sir Thomas Symsone, prest, and Edward Wyllay now chyrche > wardyne; all thees sworne to the Kings hynvenytory, > wone Jhon Helyat was not sworne; the charges of all yor deners and horse > meyt in the company of Master Barley dyd cost us that > I Edward Wyllay dyd pay the somme of 8s 6d > > > Hope this helps your research > > > Dave Howe (all spelling is correct) > > -------------- Original message from "Margaret Turner" > <[email protected]>: -------------- > > >> Hi D. Howe. >> >> Would you kindly see if there is any EL(L)IOT(T) ELLETT and many other >> ways of spellings ( seem to have them all) in your book. thats if you >> have >> the time, l know you have had lots of inquiries and do understand if it >> is >> too much . >> thanking you. >> Regards margaret. >> From Birmingham >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "HERTFORDSHIRE LIST" >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:58 PM >> Subject: [HRT] Bishops Stortford >> >> >> > Received a very informative book - Early Churchwardens' Accounts of >> > Bishops Stortford 1431-1558. Lots of surnames, place names and other >> > informative indexes. This one book helped me track down some of my Dane >> > ancestors. Listed rents paid to the church where they lived, >> > occupations, >> > and work done for the church and payments received. Will do surname >> > lookups. >> > >> > D. Howe Florida >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >