Dear Celia, I would suggest you are looking for Sele Farm. Sele House and Sele (corn) Mill and Sele Grange are clearly listed on my copy of an 1898 Old Ordnance Survey Map (Godfrey Maps) at the North western side of Hertford just south of Bengeo near Welwyn Road and Hertfingfordbury Road. It comes under St Andrew's parish. On a mid 1990's tourist street map of Hertford a Sele School and Sele Road is listed obviously commemorating the landmark which appears to be long gone. If it is important to learn more, try asking the Hertford Museum, they can often help. Valerie Edwards, Vancouver Island, Canada Looking for HART in East Herts. Mainly Wadesmill, Hertford areas. ----------------------------------------------------------- > The Herts marriage index shows the marriage of Thomas WILDMAN to Mary > MACKERETH at St > Andrews church, Hertford, on 20 April 1757. > > Presumably Seal Farm may be in the vicinity. > Also does anyone know where Seal Farm might >> have been in 1774? Arthur MACKARETH gent in his will just says it's in >> Herts, which is not helpful, and not findable on current google map.

Thanks Gay and Sandra. I've ordered the marriage certificate and will be interested to see if these are my Aaron and Alice Emma. I wonder why they would've married in Mile End Old Town? Lisa Gay O'Neill wrote: > This is most probably them > Aaron Hale 1881 Oct-Nov-Dec Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex > > Name: Alice Higgins > > Year of Registration: 1881 > > Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec > > District: Mile End Old Town > > County: London, Middlesex > > Volume: 1c > > > > Hope this helps > > Regards Gay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:17 AM > Subject: [HRT] Aaron HALE + Alice Emma ?? > > > >> Hi listers, >> >> I'm looking for information on the marriage of Aaron HALE to Alice Emma >> ??. Specifically, I'd like to find out Alice Emma's maiden name. >> >> Aaron was born c1856 in Hoddesdon, Herts. His parents were Joseph HALE >> born c1816 and Susannah ??? b c1815 (there's another maiden name I'd >> like to find out!) In the 1881 census, Aaron is 25, unmarried and living >> with his parents in Hoddesdon. His first child was christened in January >> 1882. >> >> Alice Emma was born in Ware c 1857. >> >> Their children were Alice Emma Elizabeth b1882, Florence Mary c1883, >> William Charles c1885, Susan Mary c1887, Ada Maud c1889 and Daisy May >> c1894. >> >> I haven't yet found them in the 1891 census, but in 1901 the family >> lived in Waltham Holy Cross, Essex. >> >> Any info gratefully received! >> >> Lisa >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: >> 11/04/2008 4:59 PM >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello, I'm hoping that one of the list may be visiting the Herts Archives and if so would be kind enough to do a look up for me. I have found the c. of Sarah Collins in the IGI - Sarah dau. of Francis and Sarah Collins c. 25 May 1835 in Great Berkhampstead. I would very much like to know if there are anymore details such as the occupation of Francis Collins. Any help would be very welcome, I live in East Sussex and would be more than happy to do any lookups at the Lewes archives in return. Kind regards, Brenda

Some years ago I was given 3 references from the CHESHUNT Mon.Inscripts Index, they are 382, 298 and 898 and are surname SEARING of family members. I would really appreciate someone helping me if they have access to this Index and transcribe the details for me,I am in Australia. Very grateful, Joan -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Hi listers, I'm looking for information on the marriage of Aaron HALE to Alice Emma ??. Specifically, I'd like to find out Alice Emma's maiden name. Aaron was born c1856 in Hoddesdon, Herts. His parents were Joseph HALE born c1816 and Susannah ??? b c1815 (there's another maiden name I'd like to find out!) In the 1881 census, Aaron is 25, unmarried and living with his parents in Hoddesdon. His first child was christened in January 1882. Alice Emma was born in Ware c 1857. Their children were Alice Emma Elizabeth b1882, Florence Mary c1883, William Charles c1885, Susan Mary c1887, Ada Maud c1889 and Daisy May c1894. I haven't yet found them in the 1891 census, but in 1901 the family lived in Waltham Holy Cross, Essex. Any info gratefully received! Lisa

This is most probably them Aaron Hale 1881 Oct-Nov-Dec Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex Name: Alice Higgins Year of Registration: 1881 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Mile End Old Town County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Hope this helps Regards Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: [HRT] Aaron HALE + Alice Emma ?? > Hi listers, > > I'm looking for information on the marriage of Aaron HALE to Alice Emma > ??. Specifically, I'd like to find out Alice Emma's maiden name. > > Aaron was born c1856 in Hoddesdon, Herts. His parents were Joseph HALE > born c1816 and Susannah ??? b c1815 (there's another maiden name I'd > like to find out!) In the 1881 census, Aaron is 25, unmarried and living > with his parents in Hoddesdon. His first child was christened in January > 1882. > > Alice Emma was born in Ware c 1857. > > Their children were Alice Emma Elizabeth b1882, Florence Mary c1883, > William Charles c1885, Susan Mary c1887, Ada Maud c1889 and Daisy May > c1894. > > I haven't yet found them in the 1891 census, but in 1901 the family > lived in Waltham Holy Cross, Essex. > > Any info gratefully received! > > Lisa > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: > 11/04/2008 4:59 PM > >

>From FreeBMD There is an Aaron HALE marrying in Dec Q of 1881 in Mile End (East End of London). Looking at possible brides, the only one that fits is Alice HIGGINS. You will need to purchase the certificate for more details. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:17 PM Subject: [HRT] Aaron HALE + Alice Emma ?? > Hi listers, > > I'm looking for information on the marriage of Aaron HALE to Alice Emma > ??. Specifically, I'd like to find out Alice Emma's maiden name. > > Aaron was born c1856 in Hoddesdon, Herts. His parents were Joseph HALE > born c1816 and Susannah ??? b c1815 (there's another maiden name I'd > like to find out!) In the 1881 census, Aaron is 25, unmarried and living > with his parents in Hoddesdon. His first child was christened in January > 1882. > > Alice Emma was born in Ware c 1857. > > Their children were Alice Emma Elizabeth b1882, Florence Mary c1883, > William Charles c1885, Susan Mary c1887, Ada Maud c1889 and Daisy May > c1894. > > I haven't yet found them in the 1891 census, but in 1901 the family > lived in Waltham Holy Cross, Essex. > > Any info gratefully received! > > Lisa > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: > 12/04/2008 11:32 >

Forwarded (with permission) from the Lincsgen list Hi Listers Is anyone researching the above name, which is on the Long Sutton War Memorial with the WW2 names as Tpr. D. BATES. There is only one Fusilier recorded in the Commonwealth War Graves Commision and the 1939-45 Army Roll of Honour and that is: David James, 7929809, Royal Armoured Corps, Son of James and Annie Bates, of Boxmoor, Hemel Hempstead. Born and resident Hertfordshire. Died 14th March 1941, Interred Hemel Hempstead (Heath Lane) Cemetery. Can anyone prove or disprove that he belongs to the Long Sutton memorial. T.I.A. Charles Anderson [email protected] ------------------------------- [email protected]

Hello List Just an update on my Edwards line. My cousin and I have located our Samuel Edwards born in Northaw in Feb 1787 to Thomas Edwards and his wife Elizabeth. No maiden name was given and the only other birth was an Elizabeth Edwards in 1801 with father's name given as Thomas. No mother's name. After seeing the posting about the Herts Marriage list I did a search for marriages of a Thomas Edwards with wife's name Elizabeth. The best hit I could find was Thomas Edwards to Elizabeth Plant in South Mimms on Oct 28, 1788 almost two years after the birth of Samuel so possible but probably not likely. Based on the Militia lists for Northaw and North Mimms there was a Thomas Edwards in Northaw in 1758. this would have given him an approximate birth year of 1740. The IGI has the above Thomas and Elizabeth Edwards, but no other information. However, one entry has their birth years as 1762 and 1766. If there are any list members researching Edwards or Plant in the area of South Mimms (Middlesex/Herts) I'd love to hear from you. Terry Edwards

Hello Sandra Thank you very much for this information. Marriage records of my PANNELL line are in the indexes for which I've requested a quote to have them printed. I plan to explore this site further. Regards Marina > Tony very kindly did some look ups in this index for me for which I am > extremely grateful. > > HOWEVER, I have since found that the Allen Index and other Herts databases > are now online. > I haven't seen this publicised on this list before now (although I could > have missed it of course), so for the benefit of all the web address is: > > http://www.hertsdirect.org/libsleisure/heritage1/HALS/indexes/ > > Sandra > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 > 4:20 PM > >

Tony very kindly did some look ups in this index for me for which I am extremely grateful. HOWEVER, I have since found that the Allen Index and other Herts databases are now online. I haven't seen this publicised on this list before now (although I could have missed it of course), so for the benefit of all the web address is: http://www.hertsdirect.org/libsleisure/heritage1/HALS/indexes/ Sandra

Hi I am new to this site today and was wondering if anyone on the list has a stray William JEFFS who could of been born about 1781 / 1782 in Herts, not sure of this all i know is that her married in Huntingdonshire in 1805 and by 1806 he was in Northamptonshire so him or his family may have moved around a bit. I have checked on Familysearch.org and the only William JEFFS that looks like my man was born in Hemel Hempstead on the 26 March 1781 but am not sure. "Can anyone help me please?" Thanking you. Elaine, (Nee JEFFS) New Zealand.

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From: "Maureen Downes" <[email protected]> > I have to disagree with Roy's statement, that 'You never get the > names of fathers on pre-1837 marriages'. > > Occasionally, albeit too rarely, the priest does occasionally add > notes to the margins or include names of parents. > > Also, if the marriage was conducting BY LICENCE instead of the > normal after banns, then you have another reference point in the > licence itself, and these usually do have father's names and > sometimes mother's names as well.> You may well be correct, Maureen, but I don't recall ever seeing a parish register marriage entry in which the fathers' names were given. We Yorkshire experts have the famous Dade Registers to enthuse over, in which substantially more detail was given than normal, but these relate purely to baptisms and not marriages. It was a very conscientious vicar indeed who added parents' names and I suspect this probably only occurred at marriages of the upper classes and nobility and not the hoi polloi! As for marriages by licence, I think it tends to depend on whether the father was a bondsman and mentioned in the allegation. The licence itself very rarely survives because it was given to the groom to give to the vicar. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi, I have to disagree with Roy's statement, that 'You never get the names of fathers on pre-1837 marriages'. Occasionally, albeit too rarely, the priest does occasionally add notes to the margins or include names of parents. Also, if the marriage was conducting BY LICENCE instead of the normal after banns, then you have another reference point in the licence itself, and these usually do have father's names and sometimes mother's names as well. Maureen

Gay O'Neill wrote: Hi Gay Thank you but I do not think that is our lot, as ours settled first in Ballarat where Maria died in 1859 and a son Benjamin married in 1854 and then the others went to Heathcote and stayed there with a long line following, right up to me.. Thank you for your efforts. Regards Bev >Hi Bev, >A look at my resources shows me that your couple (or another couple) Josiah >and Elizabeth Parker were in Australia by 1834 >This makes for very interesting research as that is early settlement here in >Australia. >When I googled his name I found this entry >NEW SOUTH WALES 1832 Passener Index by Jenny Fawcett Index to those listed >in the newspaer shipping columns - noting that Josiah is departing. He may >be going back to England to pick up Elizabeth? > >Parker Mr and Mrs A >Parker C A >Parker Josiah D >Parker Mr A > >I found this marriage here in Australia but it is not Elizabeth James. >PARKER, Josiah EM 764678 Marriage > Spouse: JOHNSON, Elizabeth > Index Year: 1834 > Reg Year: 1834 Reg State: New South Wales > Ref Number: V18341299 18 Parish: Sydney, St James', Church of England > >PARKER, Elizabeth J EB 1600617 Christening > Father: Josiah > Mother: Elizabeth > Reg Year: 1834 Reg State: New South Wales > Ref Number: V18342031 162A Parish: Bathurst; Hill End, Wesleyan Methodist > >PARKER, Josiah Christening > Father: Josiah Mother: Elizabeth > Reg Year: 1841 Reg State: New South Wales > Parish: Bathurst; Hill End, Wesleyan Methodist > >Charlotte E was born 1848 as above >Another Elizabeth J was born 1839 >Fanny N was born 1856 >Isabella 1835 registered in Sydney St James, Church of England >Josep 1837 Abercrombie District Bathurst NSW >Mary A 1843 Bathurst Hill End > >Is this the same family you are looking for? >Regards Gay O'Neill >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Beverley" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:40 PM >Subject: [HRT] Parker/James > > > > >>New subscriber, looking for help with Josiah Parker b 1795 married Maria >>Elizabeth James b 1798 >>from Barley & Barkway migrated to Australia about 1842 before 1854. Any >>help much appreciated. >>Bev >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG. >>Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: >>31/03/2008 6:21 PM >> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

>From the Vital Records index 2nd ed. PARKER, Josiah Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 14 Feb 1796 Recorded in: Barley, Hertfordshire, England Father: Josiah PARKER Mother: Catharine Source: FHL Film 991364 Dates: 1651 - 1812 >From the IGI Josiah Parker and Maria James 5 Nov 1816 Barkway, Hertfordshire. M072111 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: [HRT] Parker/James > New subscriber, looking for help with Josiah Parker b 1795 married Maria > Elizabeth James b 1798 > from Barley & Barkway migrated to Australia about 1842 before 1854. Any > help much appreciated. > Bev > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: > 31/03/2008 6:21 PM > >

Hi Bev, A look at my resources shows me that your couple (or another couple) Josiah and Elizabeth Parker were in Australia by 1834 This makes for very interesting research as that is early settlement here in Australia. When I googled his name I found this entry NEW SOUTH WALES 1832 Passener Index by Jenny Fawcett Index to those listed in the newspaer shipping columns - noting that Josiah is departing. He may be going back to England to pick up Elizabeth? Parker Mr and Mrs A Parker C A Parker Josiah D Parker Mr A I found this marriage here in Australia but it is not Elizabeth James. PARKER, Josiah EM 764678 Marriage Spouse: JOHNSON, Elizabeth Index Year: 1834 Reg Year: 1834 Reg State: New South Wales Ref Number: V18341299 18 Parish: Sydney, St James', Church of England PARKER, Elizabeth J EB 1600617 Christening Father: Josiah Mother: Elizabeth Reg Year: 1834 Reg State: New South Wales Ref Number: V18342031 162A Parish: Bathurst; Hill End, Wesleyan Methodist PARKER, Josiah Christening Father: Josiah Mother: Elizabeth Reg Year: 1841 Reg State: New South Wales Parish: Bathurst; Hill End, Wesleyan Methodist Charlotte E was born 1848 as above Another Elizabeth J was born 1839 Fanny N was born 1856 Isabella 1835 registered in Sydney St James, Church of England Josep 1837 Abercrombie District Bathurst NSW Mary A 1843 Bathurst Hill End Is this the same family you are looking for? Regards Gay O'Neill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: [HRT] Parker/James > New subscriber, looking for help with Josiah Parker b 1795 married Maria > Elizabeth James b 1798 > from Barley & Barkway migrated to Australia about 1842 before 1854. Any > help much appreciated. > Bev > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: > 31/03/2008 6:21 PM > >

New subscriber, looking for help with Josiah Parker b 1795 married Maria Elizabeth James b 1798 from Barley & Barkway migrated to Australia about 1842 before 1854. Any help much appreciated. Bev

From: "Brenda Green" <[email protected]> > Hello, I'm wondering if there's anyone on the list that has access to > the Berkhampstead PR's and if so would they be kind enough to do a > look up for me. I have a marriage of > > SELINA COLLINS to THOMAS FAULKNER > 9 November 1830 > > I would dearly love to know if there are any details such as the names > of their fathers or the names of the witnesses.> You never get the names of fathers on pre-1837 marriages, so you are wasting your time living in hope. What you can expect are..... The names of both parties. Parishes of residence both parties, whether "of this parish" or some other. The groom's occupation. If one of the parties is a minor, i.e. under 21, whether the marriage is with permission of parents or guardian. Marital status, i.e. bachelor, spinster, widowed. Name of the incumbent conducting the service. Names and signatures of witnesses. Names, or marks, of the parties. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE