Hello Patti, I have just tested Ancestry.co.uk. Found my father on 1901 census and read the original document OK. Kindest regards, Harold Wilkinson. Interests:- Essex - Bowtle, Oakley, Wilkinson. Suffolk - Edwards, Gillingham, Wilkinson, Palmer. Herts - Oakley

looking for any information on the death of WILLIAM BUNKER born 20th september1864 chipperfield, died 21/27th june 1927. WILLIAM BUNKER was found in the grand union canal between Slew bridge ? and Tovey Mill, at Abbotts Langley on 27th June 1927 he was reported missing on 21st june 1927. many thanks carolynn have tried to get a copy from HEMEL HEMPSTEAD GAZETTE for july but they do not hold records that far back.

Lisa, Thanks for posting these. I have some old family photos (at least I think they are family) that were taken in Potters Bar. Photographers last name is Hunt and the studio was on High Street. I have been trying and still have not been able to identify the people in the photos. Hopefully someday...but nice to see a side of Potters Bar. Theresa -------------- Original message -------------- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Hey listers, > > I've just found two clips on YouTube that might be of interest to those > with ancestors in the Potters Bar area. > > There's a nice slideshow of old postcards here - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezcseh6kRVI > > And a short clip about the 1916 zeppelin crash with original footage > here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lld3AkZrTfQ > > Happy viewing! > > Lisa > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey listers, I've just found two clips on YouTube that might be of interest to those with ancestors in the Potters Bar area. There's a nice slideshow of old postcards here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezcseh6kRVI And a short clip about the 1916 zeppelin crash with original footage here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lld3AkZrTfQ Happy viewing! Lisa

Fantastic! You've been a terrific help, Glen. Thank you. GLEN HICKSON wrote: > Hi Lisa, > > Knowing now that William was still alive in 1891, I had another look at the census. > > In 1881 he is indexed as KINWOOD & is with his new family & Alice's Uncle Charles. > > In 1871 the Henrietta in London was a different one. William is with his new wife & her son plus Henrietta indexed as LONGWOOD. > > Regards, > > Glen. > > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Very impressive! Thank you! > > I couldn't find a death for William Linwood either but I did find him > alive and well in 1891, still in Wormley but with a new wife. A fib on > Alice's part, perhaps, made easier by marrying outside of their home > county. It's possible that Alice's family weren't thrilled about her > choice of husband - by the time the couple married in 1881 two of > Aaron's brothers had extensive criminal records. > > Thanks to everyone who responded. I've learnt a lot from this, not only > about the history of my ancestors but also some different approaches to > solving a mystery that will surely be useful in my research. > > What a clever bunch you are! > > Cheers, > Lisa > > > > Glen Hickson wrote: > >> Hi Lisa, >> >> I think I've solved your problem - anything rather than get on with the >> decorating!! >> >> I think Alice was illegitimate. When asked her father's name she answered >> LINWOOD but this I believe was his surname. >> >> In 1901 Alice says she was born in Wormley. Couldn't find her in 1891 but in >> 1881 there is an Alice HIGGINS 23, living with her grandfather Robert on >> High Road Wormley born London . On the same road possibly opposite is Aaron >> HALE. In 1871 she is again with her gf. >> >> No sign in 1861 but in 1851 Robert HIGGINS family includes a daughter Emma. >> A look on the IGI shows a baptism of an Alice to an Emma in Wormley in >> 1868 - a late baptism - register should be checked. >> >> A marriage takes place in Sep Q 1858 in W London between Emma HIGGINS & >> William Henry LINWOOD & lo & behold we find in 1861 living in Edmonton, >> William H LINWOOD, wife Emma & daughters Alice 3 & Henrietta 1. >> >> There is a death of an Emma in Ware Dist. in 1862 - can't find one for >> William but can't see him in the census either. As Alice is with her gf in >> 1871 & Henrietta is at a school in London (wrong age?) it seems likely that >> both parents are deceased. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Regards, >> >> Glen. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:37 AM >> Subject: [HRT] The mysterious Lynwood Higgins - help! >> >> >> >> >>> Hi listers, >>> >>> I've received a marriage certificate that's created more questions than >>> answers. I'm not sure what my next step should be. >>> >>> On 3 October 1881, Aaron Hale (26) married Alice Higgins (25) at St >>> Thomas' Church in the parish of Stepney? (looks more like Steponly but >>> was that a parish?) in Middlesex (reg district Mile End). Their address >>> is London St, with the groom at #6 and the bride at #7. >>> >>> Alice's father is shown as Lynwood Higgins (deceased) - builder. >>> Searches for this name turn up nothing. I've also tried searching for >>> Alice under her maiden name but have the opposite problem - plenty of >>> 'em all over England but which one is mine? >>> >>> I have Aaron and Alice in the 1901 census showing Alice's birthplace as >>> Wormley, Herts. Her age is 44, so if she lied about her age on the >>> marriage cert she kept it up 20 years later! >>> >>> So there we have it - at last I have Alice's maiden name but no birth, >>> no sign of her before her marriage and no sign of her father either. I'd >>> be very grateful for any strategy suggestions. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Lisa >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

What a little goldmine! It is now firmly 'bookmarked' - thank you. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Massey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Hertfordshire Parish names > The simplest way is to go to www.genuki.org uk and follow the links for > England > Hertfordshire. The entire list of parishes can then be found. > > Donald Massey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen and Brent" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:47 AM > Subject: [HRT] Hertfordshire Parish names > > >>I live in New Zeland and have no knowledge of what parishes are located in >>the Hertfordshire area. >> >> I have a CD which contains the "Pallot" Marriages. It contains details >> of many marriages, but all are 'by parish'. >> >> Does any one have a list, could provide me with a list (or could direct >> me to a list - internet preferred) that would help me identify which >> 'surnames' I should focus upon. >> >> (I am interested only - at this stage - in the WREN surname, in >> Hertfordshire, mostly Ware, Thundridge, Hunsdon, Stanstead Abbots) >> >> I have yet to look at a similar CD for Baptisms and I am thinking the >> same >> format may apply. >> >> Any help from the 'locals' would be really, really, welcome. >> >> Regards >> Helen >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The simplest way is to go to www.genuki.org uk and follow the links for England > Hertfordshire. The entire list of parishes can then be found. Donald Massey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen and Brent" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:47 AM Subject: [HRT] Hertfordshire Parish names >I live in New Zeland and have no knowledge of what parishes are located in >the Hertfordshire area. > > I have a CD which contains the "Pallot" Marriages. It contains details > of many marriages, but all are 'by parish'. > > Does any one have a list, could provide me with a list (or could direct > me to a list - internet preferred) that would help me identify which > 'surnames' I should focus upon. > > (I am interested only - at this stage - in the WREN surname, in > Hertfordshire, mostly Ware, Thundridge, Hunsdon, Stanstead Abbots) > > I have yet to look at a similar CD for Baptisms and I am thinking the same > format may apply. > > Any help from the 'locals' would be really, really, welcome. > > Regards > Helen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Very impressive! Thank you! I couldn't find a death for William Linwood either but I did find him alive and well in 1891, still in Wormley but with a new wife. A fib on Alice's part, perhaps, made easier by marrying outside of their home county. It's possible that Alice's family weren't thrilled about her choice of husband - by the time the couple married in 1881 two of Aaron's brothers had extensive criminal records. Thanks to everyone who responded. I've learnt a lot from this, not only about the history of my ancestors but also some different approaches to solving a mystery that will surely be useful in my research. What a clever bunch you are! Cheers, Lisa Glen Hickson wrote: > Hi Lisa, > > I think I've solved your problem - anything rather than get on with the > decorating!! > > I think Alice was illegitimate. When asked her father's name she answered > LINWOOD but this I believe was his surname. > > In 1901 Alice says she was born in Wormley. Couldn't find her in 1891 but in > 1881 there is an Alice HIGGINS 23, living with her grandfather Robert on > High Road Wormley born London . On the same road possibly opposite is Aaron > HALE. In 1871 she is again with her gf. > > No sign in 1861 but in 1851 Robert HIGGINS family includes a daughter Emma. > A look on the IGI shows a baptism of an Alice to an Emma in Wormley in > 1868 - a late baptism - register should be checked. > > A marriage takes place in Sep Q 1858 in W London between Emma HIGGINS & > William Henry LINWOOD & lo & behold we find in 1861 living in Edmonton, > William H LINWOOD, wife Emma & daughters Alice 3 & Henrietta 1. > > There is a death of an Emma in Ware Dist. in 1862 - can't find one for > William but can't see him in the census either. As Alice is with her gf in > 1871 & Henrietta is at a school in London (wrong age?) it seems likely that > both parents are deceased. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > Glen. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:37 AM > Subject: [HRT] The mysterious Lynwood Higgins - help! > > > >> Hi listers, >> >> I've received a marriage certificate that's created more questions than >> answers. I'm not sure what my next step should be. >> >> On 3 October 1881, Aaron Hale (26) married Alice Higgins (25) at St >> Thomas' Church in the parish of Stepney? (looks more like Steponly but >> was that a parish?) in Middlesex (reg district Mile End). Their address >> is London St, with the groom at #6 and the bride at #7. >> >> Alice's father is shown as Lynwood Higgins (deceased) - builder. >> Searches for this name turn up nothing. I've also tried searching for >> Alice under her maiden name but have the opposite problem - plenty of >> 'em all over England but which one is mine? >> >> I have Aaron and Alice in the 1901 census showing Alice's birthplace as >> Wormley, Herts. Her age is 44, so if she lied about her age on the >> marriage cert she kept it up 20 years later! >> >> So there we have it - at last I have Alice's maiden name but no birth, >> no sign of her before her marriage and no sign of her father either. I'd >> be very grateful for any strategy suggestions. >> >> Cheers, >> Lisa >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Lisa, Knowing now that William was still alive in 1891, I had another look at the census. In 1881 he is indexed as KINWOOD & is with his new family & Alice's Uncle Charles. In 1871 the Henrietta in London was a different one. William is with his new wife & her son plus Henrietta indexed as LONGWOOD. Regards, Glen. "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Very impressive! Thank you! I couldn't find a death for William Linwood either but I did find him alive and well in 1891, still in Wormley but with a new wife. A fib on Alice's part, perhaps, made easier by marrying outside of their home county. It's possible that Alice's family weren't thrilled about her choice of husband - by the time the couple married in 1881 two of Aaron's brothers had extensive criminal records. Thanks to everyone who responded. I've learnt a lot from this, not only about the history of my ancestors but also some different approaches to solving a mystery that will surely be useful in my research. What a clever bunch you are! Cheers, Lisa Glen Hickson wrote: > Hi Lisa, > > I think I've solved your problem - anything rather than get on with the > decorating!! > > I think Alice was illegitimate. When asked her father's name she answered > LINWOOD but this I believe was his surname. > > In 1901 Alice says she was born in Wormley. Couldn't find her in 1891 but in > 1881 there is an Alice HIGGINS 23, living with her grandfather Robert on > High Road Wormley born London . On the same road possibly opposite is Aaron > HALE. In 1871 she is again with her gf. > > No sign in 1861 but in 1851 Robert HIGGINS family includes a daughter Emma. > A look on the IGI shows a baptism of an Alice to an Emma in Wormley in > 1868 - a late baptism - register should be checked. > > A marriage takes place in Sep Q 1858 in W London between Emma HIGGINS & > William Henry LINWOOD & lo & behold we find in 1861 living in Edmonton, > William H LINWOOD, wife Emma & daughters Alice 3 & Henrietta 1. > > There is a death of an Emma in Ware Dist. in 1862 - can't find one for > William but can't see him in the census either. As Alice is with her gf in > 1871 & Henrietta is at a school in London (wrong age?) it seems likely that > both parents are deceased. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > Glen. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:37 AM > Subject: [HRT] The mysterious Lynwood Higgins - help! > > > >> Hi listers, >> >> I've received a marriage certificate that's created more questions than >> answers. I'm not sure what my next step should be. >> >> On 3 October 1881, Aaron Hale (26) married Alice Higgins (25) at St >> Thomas' Church in the parish of Stepney? (looks more like Steponly but >> was that a parish?) in Middlesex (reg district Mile End). Their address >> is London St, with the groom at #6 and the bride at #7. >> >> Alice's father is shown as Lynwood Higgins (deceased) - builder. >> Searches for this name turn up nothing. I've also tried searching for >> Alice under her maiden name but have the opposite problem - plenty of >> 'em all over England but which one is mine? >> >> I have Aaron and Alice in the 1901 census showing Alice's birthplace as >> Wormley, Herts. Her age is 44, so if she lied about her age on the >> marriage cert she kept it up 20 years later! >> >> So there we have it - at last I have Alice's maiden name but no birth, >> no sign of her before her marriage and no sign of her father either. I'd >> be very grateful for any strategy suggestions. >> >> Cheers, >> Lisa >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glen You make it sound so easy! WELL DONE! Marlene Glen Hickson wrote: > Hi Lisa, > > I think I've solved your problem - anything rather than get on with the > decorating!! > > I think Alice was illegitimate. When asked her father's name she answered > LINWOOD but this I believe was his surname. > > In 1901 Alice says she was born in Wormley. Couldn't find her in 1891 but in > 1881 there is an Alice HIGGINS 23, living with her grandfather Robert on > High Road Wormley born London . On the same road possibly opposite is Aaron > HALE. In 1871 she is again with her gf. > > No sign in 1861 but in 1851 Robert HIGGINS family includes a daughter Emma. > A look on the IGI shows a baptism of an Alice to an Emma in Wormley in > 1868 - a late baptism - register should be checked. > > A marriage takes place in Sep Q 1858 in W London between Emma HIGGINS & > William Henry LINWOOD & lo & behold we find in 1861 living in Edmonton, > William H LINWOOD, wife Emma & daughters Alice 3 & Henrietta 1. > > There is a death of an Emma in Ware Dist. in 1862 - can't find one for > William but can't see him in the census either. As Alice is with her gf in > 1871 & Henrietta is at a school in London (wrong age?) it seems likely that > both parents are deceased. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > Glen. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:37 AM > Subject: [HRT] The mysterious Lynwood Higgins - help! > > > >> Hi listers, >> >> I've received a marriage certificate that's created more questions than >> answers. I'm not sure what my next step should be. >> >> On 3 October 1881, Aaron Hale (26) married Alice Higgins (25) at St >> Thomas' Church in the parish of Stepney? (looks more like Steponly but >> was that a parish?) in Middlesex (reg district Mile End). Their address >> is London St, with the groom at #6 and the bride at #7. >> >> Alice's father is shown as Lynwood Higgins (deceased) - builder. >> Searches for this name turn up nothing. I've also tried searching for >> Alice under her maiden name but have the opposite problem - plenty of >> 'em all over England but which one is mine? >> >> I have Aaron and Alice in the 1901 census showing Alice's birthplace as >> Wormley, Herts. Her age is 44, so if she lied about her age on the >> marriage cert she kept it up 20 years later! >> >> So there we have it - at last I have Alice's maiden name but no birth, >> no sign of her before her marriage and no sign of her father either. I'd >> be very grateful for any strategy suggestions. >> >> Cheers, >> Lisa >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Is it possible the parents are John Reeve and Sarah foster married 25 Oct 1807 Bovingdon, Hertford, England. In 1851 There is a Sarah Reeve in Bovingdon with a grandson George Reeve age 5 born Bovingdon - Sarah is a Widow and age 73 holding 6 acres of land and she was born in Sarratt. I believe this George Reeve is the son of Thomas Reeve and Eliza as he shows up with this family in Bovingdon Green in 1861 age 15 along with siblings John, 13, Sarah 11, Ann 9, Joanna 4 and Jane Eliza 1. interestingly enough he is a Hay dealer and holding 6 acres (possibly the same 6 acres as Sarah Reeve the 73 year old mother - grandmother in 1851) All the above family listed as born in Bovingdon. In the meantime in 1851 your George Reeve (born Bovindon) age 38 and Maria (born Sarratt) age 30 with children Henry age 8, Jane Sophia age 5 and Peter age 1 are living in flaunden - all three children listed as Flaunden. In 1841 John Reeve Farmer age 58 and Sarah Reeve age 58 are in the district of Hemel Hempstead in the townland of Little Mills.- Bovindgon Green is just a couple of entries along from this place. In 1871 George Reeve is living in bovindgon he is age 55 and he is an agricultural labourer Maria age 45 - they are with children Jane unmarried age 25 and George W Reeve age 9 born Kings Langley >From the British Isles Vital Records 2nd ed cd REEVE, Herry Bir 1810 Engl Hert Boving Fa: John REEVE Mo: Sarah REEVE, Fanny Bir 1811 Engl Hert Boving Fa: Thomas REEVE Mo: Hannah REEVE, Thomas Bir 1816 Engl Hert Boving Fa: John REEVE Mo: Sarah RIEVE, Thomas Bir 1816 Engl Hert Boving Fa: John RIEVE Mo: Sarah Hope this is all of some help Regards Gay in Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "9 9jJohn Reeve" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: [HRT] George Reeve > > I am trying to find the parents of George Reeve who is shown in the 1861 > census as 45 years old and born in Bovingdon. He was married to a Maria > Pritchard who was 42 from Sarratt. > > Can anyone help please? > > John Reeve > _________________________________________________________________ > Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on > eBay today! > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1410 - Release Date: 1/05/2008 > 5:30 PM > >

Thank you Anne - that looks to be exactly what I require. I appreciate your reply. Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Hertfordshire Parish names > For a modern list of parishes have a look at the Diocese of St Albans > web site. The diocese also covers Bedfordshire and a small bit of > Middlesex. > > http://www.stalbans.anglican.org/locations/map.html > > > HTH > Anne > > > On 2 May 2008, at 07:47, Helen and Brent wrote: > >> I live in New Zeland and have no knowledge of what parishes are >> located in the Hertfordshire area. >> >> I have a CD which contains the "Pallot" Marriages. It contains >> details of many marriages, but all are 'by parish'. >> >> Does any one have a list, could provide me with a list (or could >> direct me to a list - internet preferred) that would help me identify >> which 'surnames' I should focus upon. >> >> (I am interested only - at this stage - in the WREN surname, in >> Hertfordshire, mostly Ware, Thundridge, Hunsdon, Stanstead Abbots) >> >> I have yet to look at a similar CD for Baptisms and I am thinking the >> same format may apply. >> >> Any help from the 'locals' would be really, really, welcome. >> >> Regards >> Helen >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I live in New Zeland and have no knowledge of what parishes are located in the Hertfordshire area. I have a CD which contains the "Pallot" Marriages. It contains details of many marriages, but all are 'by parish'. Does any one have a list, could provide me with a list (or could direct me to a list - internet preferred) that would help me identify which 'surnames' I should focus upon. (I am interested only - at this stage - in the WREN surname, in Hertfordshire, mostly Ware, Thundridge, Hunsdon, Stanstead Abbots) I have yet to look at a similar CD for Baptisms and I am thinking the same format may apply. Any help from the 'locals' would be really, really, welcome. Regards Helen

Hi listers, I've received a marriage certificate that's created more questions than answers. I'm not sure what my next step should be. On 3 October 1881, Aaron Hale (26) married Alice Higgins (25) at St Thomas' Church in the parish of Stepney? (looks more like Steponly but was that a parish?) in Middlesex (reg district Mile End). Their address is London St, with the groom at #6 and the bride at #7. Alice's father is shown as Lynwood Higgins (deceased) - builder. Searches for this name turn up nothing. I've also tried searching for Alice under her maiden name but have the opposite problem - plenty of 'em all over England but which one is mine? I have Aaron and Alice in the 1901 census showing Alice's birthplace as Wormley, Herts. Her age is 44, so if she lied about her age on the marriage cert she kept it up 20 years later! So there we have it - at last I have Alice's maiden name but no birth, no sign of her before her marriage and no sign of her father either. I'd be very grateful for any strategy suggestions. Cheers, Lisa PS I'm posting to both the MDX and Herts lists - apologies to those who are receiving it twice!

Lynwood Higgins In the 1861 Census living in Edmonton are a William Henry Linwood, occupation bricklayer. His wife is Emma Higgins who he married in 1858 in W London. Amongst their children is an Alice Linwood age 3, place of birth Fleet Street, Middlesex. The birth records show an Alice Amelia Higgins born in 1857 in W London. Her younger sister was born in Wormley. Lisa, I have emailed you the census page off list so that you can follow this up. Regards Bruce -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 02 May 2008 08:04 To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 123 Today's Topics: 1. Morgan/Hale/Haggar (rick smith) 2. Re: Morgan/Hale/Haggar (Roy Stockdill) 3. Re: Morgan/Hale/Haggar (Brad Boult) 4. The mysterious Lynwood Higgins - help! ([email protected]) 5. Hertfordshire Parish names (Helen and Brent) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:02:25 +0100 From: "rick smith" <[email protected]> Subject: [HRT] Morgan/Hale/Haggar To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thomas who was born in Heath and Reach, Beds in 1821 married Sarah Hale on 15th November 1841 at Potsgrove. Thomas' father was William (from marriage certificate) - any more information on William and mother much appreciated Sarah was christened in Thorley Hertfordshire on 21 April 1822 to Samual Hale (b c1791 Thorley) and Sarah Haggar (b c1791 Thorley) who were married in Thorley in 1811. Anything about Samuel and Sarah's ancestry also much appreciated Any theories why Sarah moved 55km would be intriguing too! Rick Smith ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:36:46 +0100 From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HRT] Morgan/Hale/Haggar To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: "rick smith" <[email protected]> > Thomas who was born in Heath and Reach, Beds in 1821 married Sarah > Hale on 15th November 1841 at Potsgrove. Thomas' father was William > (from marriage certificate) - any more information on William and > mother much appreciated > > Sarah was christened in Thorley Hertfordshire on 21 April 1822 to > Samual Hale (b c1791 Thorley) and Sarah Haggar (b c1791 Thorley) who > were married in Thorley in 1811. Anything about Samuel and Sarah's > ancestry also much appreciated > > Any theories why Sarah moved 55km would be intriguing too!> There was usually a very simple reason why people moved relatively long distances in those days - and 55km or about 35 miles isn't a lot - and that was to seek work. What were called hiring fairs were held in major towns, at which farm workers and domestic servants offered their services to would-be employers. A vast number of young women were in domestic service in large houses. If Sarah was one such and she went to a hiring fair, say, 10 miles from where she lived and was hired by an employer who lived 25 miles in the other direction, then there is your possible answer. If you've ever seen the film of Thomas Hardy's novel, Far From the Madding Crowd, there is a scene of a typical hiring fair in that in which men are lined up and offering their services as shepherds and ag labs. This accounted for a good deal of movement in the 18th and 19th centuries. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 08:17:35 +1200 From: Brad Boult <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HRT] Morgan/Hale/Haggar To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Rick Have you tried the Hagger on name study site? Link is http://www.hagger.info/ Brad Boult Auckland New Zealand At 11:02 PM 1/05/2008, you wrote: > Thomas who was born in Heath and Reach, Beds in 1821 married Sarah >Hale on 15th November 1841 at Potsgrove. Thomas' father was William >(from marriage >certificate) - any more information on William and mother much appreciated > >Sarah was christened in Thorley Hertfordshire on 21 April 1822 to >Samual Hale (b c1791 Thorley) and Sarah Haggar (b c1791 Thorley) who >were married in Thorley in 1811. Anything about Samuel and Sarah's >ancestry also much appreciated > >Any theories why Sarah moved 55km would be intriguing too! > >Rick Smith > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 17:37:29 +1200 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: [HRT] The mysterious Lynwood Higgins - help! To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi listers, I've received a marriage certificate that's created more questions than answers. I'm not sure what my next step should be. On 3 October 1881, Aaron Hale (26) married Alice Higgins (25) at St Thomas' Church in the parish of Stepney? (looks more like Steponly but was that a parish?) in Middlesex (reg district Mile End). Their address is London St, with the groom at #6 and the bride at #7. Alice's father is shown as Lynwood Higgins (deceased) - builder. Searches for this name turn up nothing. I've also tried searching for Alice under her maiden name but have the opposite problem - plenty of 'em all over England but which one is mine? I have Aaron and Alice in the 1901 census showing Alice's birthplace as Wormley, Herts. Her age is 44, so if she lied about her age on the marriage cert she kept it up 20 years later! So there we have it - at last I have Alice's maiden name but no birth, no sign of her before her marriage and no sign of her father either. I'd be very grateful for any strategy suggestions. Cheers, Lisa PS I'm posting to both the MDX and Herts lists - apologies to those who are receiving it twice! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 18:47:44 +1200 From: "Helen and Brent" <[email protected]> Subject: [HRT] Hertfordshire Parish names To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I live in New Zeland and have no knowledge of what parishes are located in the Hertfordshire area. I have a CD which contains the "Pallot" Marriages. It contains details of many marriages, but all are 'by parish'. Does any one have a list, could provide me with a list (or could direct me to a list - internet preferred) that would help me identify which 'surnames' I should focus upon. (I am interested only - at this stage - in the WREN surname, in Hertfordshire, mostly Ware, Thundridge, Hunsdon, Stanstead Abbots) I have yet to look at a similar CD for Baptisms and I am thinking the same format may apply. Any help from the 'locals' would be really, really, welcome. Regards Helen ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 123 *************************************************

Hi Freebmd has a marriage of George Reeve and Maria Pritchard in the June 1/4 of 1842 in the Watford dist vol 6 p 761 , and if you get this certificate you will find both parties fathers .......... In fact the 1861 census entry for Plough Wood , Cashio , Watford , shows that Maria`s father William is in fact living with them , the household is George Reeve, head, marr , 45 , ag lab, b Bovington , Maria , 42, b Sarratt, Jane dau aged 15, Peter aged 11, and William Pritchard, wife`s father, marr, 75, carpenter journeyman, b Sarratt . It should be possible to find George Reeve b c 1816 in the 1841 census for Herts, but he isn`t in Bovingdon though some Reeves are ...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "9 9jJohn Reeve" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: [HRT] George Reeve > > I am trying to find the parents of George Reeve who is shown in the 1861 > census as 45 years old and born in Bovingdon. He was married to a Maria > Pritchard who was 42 from Sarratt. > > Can anyone help please? > > John Reeve > _________________________________________________________________ > Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on > eBay today! > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1410 - Release Date: > 01/05/2008 17:30 > >

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Hi Lisa, I think I've solved your problem - anything rather than get on with the decorating!! I think Alice was illegitimate. When asked her father's name she answered LINWOOD but this I believe was his surname. In 1901 Alice says she was born in Wormley. Couldn't find her in 1891 but in 1881 there is an Alice HIGGINS 23, living with her grandfather Robert on High Road Wormley born London . On the same road possibly opposite is Aaron HALE. In 1871 she is again with her gf. No sign in 1861 but in 1851 Robert HIGGINS family includes a daughter Emma. A look on the IGI shows a baptism of an Alice to an Emma in Wormley in 1868 - a late baptism - register should be checked. A marriage takes place in Sep Q 1858 in W London between Emma HIGGINS & William Henry LINWOOD & lo & behold we find in 1861 living in Edmonton, William H LINWOOD, wife Emma & daughters Alice 3 & Henrietta 1. There is a death of an Emma in Ware Dist. in 1862 - can't find one for William but can't see him in the census either. As Alice is with her gf in 1871 & Henrietta is at a school in London (wrong age?) it seems likely that both parents are deceased. Hope this helps. Regards, Glen. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:37 AM Subject: [HRT] The mysterious Lynwood Higgins - help! > Hi listers, > > I've received a marriage certificate that's created more questions than > answers. I'm not sure what my next step should be. > > On 3 October 1881, Aaron Hale (26) married Alice Higgins (25) at St > Thomas' Church in the parish of Stepney? (looks more like Steponly but > was that a parish?) in Middlesex (reg district Mile End). Their address > is London St, with the groom at #6 and the bride at #7. > > Alice's father is shown as Lynwood Higgins (deceased) - builder. > Searches for this name turn up nothing. I've also tried searching for > Alice under her maiden name but have the opposite problem - plenty of > 'em all over England but which one is mine? > > I have Aaron and Alice in the 1901 census showing Alice's birthplace as > Wormley, Herts. Her age is 44, so if she lied about her age on the > marriage cert she kept it up 20 years later! > > So there we have it - at last I have Alice's maiden name but no birth, > no sign of her before her marriage and no sign of her father either. I'd > be very grateful for any strategy suggestions. > > Cheers, > Lisa >

Lisa.... > On 3 October 1881, Aaron Hale (26) married Alice Higgins (25) at St > Thomas' Church in the parish of Stepney? (looks more like Steponly but > was that a parish?) in Middlesex (reg district Mile End). Their address > is London St, with the groom at #6 and the bride at #7. I guess you're not a native. Stepney was indeed a parish in East London, now renamed as Tower Hamlets. > I have Aaron and Alice in the 1901 census showing Alice's birthplace as > Wormley, Herts. Her age is 44, so if she lied about her age on the > marriage cert she kept it up 20 years later! This indicates, surely, that her birthday fell between the 31st March (census day in 1901) and 3rd October (wedding day in 1881) and the year would be 1857. Mike

For a modern list of parishes have a look at the Diocese of St Albans web site. The diocese also covers Bedfordshire and a small bit of Middlesex. http://www.stalbans.anglican.org/locations/map.html HTH Anne On 2 May 2008, at 07:47, Helen and Brent wrote: > I live in New Zeland and have no knowledge of what parishes are > located in the Hertfordshire area. > > I have a CD which contains the "Pallot" Marriages. It contains > details of many marriages, but all are 'by parish'. > > Does any one have a list, could provide me with a list (or could > direct me to a list - internet preferred) that would help me identify > which 'surnames' I should focus upon. > > (I am interested only - at this stage - in the WREN surname, in > Hertfordshire, mostly Ware, Thundridge, Hunsdon, Stanstead Abbots) > > I have yet to look at a similar CD for Baptisms and I am thinking the > same format may apply. > > Any help from the 'locals' would be really, really, welcome. > > Regards > Helen >