Hi Sue, You can check these your self by going to: https://www.hertsdirect.org/libsleisure/heritage1/HALS/indexes/ It would appear that the 2nd marriage is between Robert Waller and MARY Eldridge, not Elizabeth Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Waller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: [HRT] Robert WALLER c1739 - HALS Lookup >I wonder if someone would help me with a lookup please? > > The IGI has the marriage of Robert WALLER and Elizabeth ELDRIDGE on 10 > June 1773 - in Bovingdon, Hertfordshire. > > I also have this marriage: > > Robert WALLAR (sic) and Elizabeth SMITH on 24 September 1759 in Hemel > Hempstead, Hertfordshire. > > I'm only able to find one baptism for the first marriage. > > I'm wondering if both Robert's were the same and hoping that the second > marriage may give me > the information that Robert was a widower. > > Alternatively, if anyone has these people in their tree and can advise > me please get in touch. > Thank you. > > Sue (Kent) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1431 - Release Date: 13/05/2008 19:55

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Waller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: [HRT] Robert WALLER c1739 - HALS Lookup >I wonder if someone would help me with a lookup please? > > The IGI has the marriage of Robert WALLER and Elizabeth ELDRIDGE on 10 > June 1773 - in Bovingdon, Hertfordshire. > > I also have this marriage: > > Robert WALLAR (sic) and Elizabeth SMITH on 24 September 1759 in Hemel > Hempstead, Hertfordshire. > > I'm only able to find one baptism for the first marriage. > > I'm wondering if both Robert's were the same and hoping that the second > marriage may give me > the information that Robert was a widower. > > Alternatively, if anyone has these people in their tree and can advise > me please get in touch. > Thank you. > > Sue (Kent) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1431 - Release Date: 13/05/2008 19:55

Dear Roy, Could only find a very similar entry in the Liverpool Mercury. Again no name, and it looked as if it had come from the same source. It did have the birth date as the 14th April though. Looked at the Herts CD for the 1851 census but that didn't offer much, the victaullers listed didn't appear to either match ages or have enough children listed to make them worth looking at further. One thing I did think of was what if they were't actually from Watford itself, but an outlying village.... perhaps one may need to look in the surrounding area..... Oh, dear, looks more difficult already! Only other thing I can think of is if you, or someone, could look at the Watford newspaper for that week at HALS or Collingwood which may give more details. Good luck! Hope you will let us know the outcome, especially if you find out her name as I would love to know how you did it! Valerie Edwards, Vancouver Island, Canada. Researching Hart in East Herts.

I'm afraid not, Laurie. It became the Express Dairies depot, and most of the land was sold off for housing - a big council estate and some private housing. There were two schools, now amalgamated into one Shepherd's JMI school and the old schools are now a community centre and a centre for people with learning difficulties. There was also a secondary school, now demolished, named after William Penn who also had associations with this area. You could try the Rickmansworth Historical Society http://www.rickmansworthhistoricalsociety.btik.com/home.ikml for more information and http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/places/mill-end.htm HTH Anne On 13 May 2008, at 18:52, Laurie Costanzo wrote: > I am descended from Robert Lane from Rickmansworth, ca 1534. I have > found a couple of pictures of the homestead, but wondered if it was > still standing? can someone suggest where I can find some more > history of the farm? > Thanks.... > Laurie Costanzo > La Vernia, Texas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I wonder if someone would help me with a lookup please? The IGI has the marriage of Robert WALLER and Elizabeth ELDRIDGE on 10 June 1773 - in Bovingdon, Hertfordshire. I also have this marriage: Robert WALLAR (sic) and Elizabeth SMITH on 24 September 1759 in Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire. I'm only able to find one baptism for the first marriage. I'm wondering if both Robert's were the same and hoping that the second marriage may give me the information that Robert was a widower. Alternatively, if anyone has these people in their tree and can advise me please get in touch. Thank you. Sue (Kent)

Sorry everybody. In my last posting I said: Robert WALLER married Elizabeth ELDRIDGE on 10 June 1773 - Bovingdon, Hertfordshire. This should be: Mary ELDRIDGE Thank you. Sue (Kent) _________________________________________________________________ Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/

I wonder if someone would help me with a lookup please? The IGI has the marriage of Robert WALLER and Elizabeth ELDRIDGE on 10 June 1773 - in Bovingdon, Hertfordshire. I also have this marriage: Robert WALLAR (sic) and Elizabeth SMITH on 24 September 1759 in Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire. I'm only able to find one baptism for the first marriage. I'm wondering if both Robert's were the same and hoping that the second marriage may give me the information that Robert was a widower. Alternatively, if anyone has these people in their tree and can advise me please get in touch. Thank you. Sue (Kent) _________________________________________________________________ Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/

I am descended from Robert Lane from Rickmansworth, ca 1534. I have found a couple of pictures of the homestead, but wondered if it was still standing? can someone suggest where I can find some more history of the farm? Thanks.... Laurie Costanzo La Vernia, Texas

Great Gardner..keep me in mind thanks Josie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gardner Crawley (DS)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] CRAWLEY / BUTTERFIELDS > Hi Josie > > I haven't found a connection yet but my ancestors are CRAWLEY from > Wigginton > which is the next village to North Church (Northchurch). If I turn up > anything, I'll let you know. > > Regards > > Gardner > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goolwa Time & Jewellery" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:31 AM > Subject: [HRT] CRAWLEY / BUTTERFIELDS > > > > Can anyone help me tracing a John BUTTERFIELD who was born 1790,Nettledon > and married a Rachel CRAWLEY 1822 , North Church,DOB unknown. > her parents Thomas CRAWLEY and Martha DEAN all details on them and their > siblings are all unknown if anyone can help.I would appreciate any help. > thanks and regards Josie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] CRAWLEY / BUTTERFIELDS > Josie, > > According to Hugh Wallis's IGI site > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyHertford.htm#G), > Rachel CRAWLEY was baptised 10 June 1804 at Great Gaddesden and Nettleden, > father Thomas mother Martha. Various other siblings are shown as is the > baptism of father Thomas. These are extracted submissions from the parish > registers and therefore are more likely to be correct although obviously > transcription errors could have been made. There is the member submitted > record of a marriage on 14 February 1781 at Great Gaddesden of a Thomas > CRAWLEY and a Martha DEAN on the IGI but as it is not an extracted record > it > is less likely to be correct. There are also baptismal records at Great > Gaddesden of John BUTTERFIELD and his siblings on Hugh Wallis's site. > > HTH > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goolwa Time & Jewellery" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:31 AM > Subject: [HRT] CRAWLEY / BUTTERFIELDS > > >> >> Can anyone help me tracing a John BUTTERFIELD who was born 1790,Nettledon >> and married a Rachel CRAWLEY 1822 , North Church,DOB unknown. >> her parents Thomas CRAWLEY and Martha DEAN all details on them and their >> siblings are all unknown if anyone can help.I would appreciate any help. >> thanks and regards Josie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: >> 11/05/2008 13:08 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A while ago I posted a query about the WILDMAN family and their farm called Seal. Very belatedly I would like to thank those listers who responded with information. It was extremely helpful and, along with some details from Herts Archives, I now have a good idea where to look on old maps for the farm. For anyone who is interested, HALS said that Sele was a small manor on the outskirts of Hertford, and that it is now dominated by a housing estate known as the Sele Farm Estate. So any locals on the list are likely to know where that is I guess. Thanks again Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK

Another thought that crossed my mind....wasn't there once a pubs index online? Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Watford woman with 30 children in 1851 > From: "Sandra J Smith" <[email protected]> > >> Whilst not disputing what you discovered, I do question whether it was >> even vaguely possible that a woman could bear 30 children by the time >> she was 43, unless all were multiple births.< > > I tend to agree with you! > >> Easy way to find her... >> On ancestry, you dont need a name to search. I put in Female, Wife, >> born 1808, living Watford, and only 20 results came up. It should be >> easy to see whether any of them were publican's wives. You might have >> to try a few different years of birth. Hope this helps Sandra> > > Good thinking! Tried that. So far I've examined every family in Watford > with a wife born in 1807-09 and cannot see an obvious candidate. The > most I can find are families with 7 or 8 children and if she had had 30 I > would have expected to find far more, even if some of them had died or > grown up and moved. > > But many thanks for the suggestion. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1429 - Release Date: 12/05/2008 18:14

Hi Roy How annoying that the paper omitted her name! I wonder if there was a more detailed report in a local paper that might have given her name. Another way to search might be to search for brothers and sisters because often if the family was really large some of the children might be living with elder siblings or relatives. For example there are 3 Cooper sisters living with their 14 year old brother. There are a few other miscellaneous Cooper children that might also be part of the same family. A James Cooper 55 and wife Ann 40 have a few more children at home and none of the names and ages are duplicated. The only problem is James is not a Victualler. Do let us know if you find the family and how! Lyla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Watford woman with 30 children in 1851 > From: "Sandra J Smith" <[email protected]> > >> Whilst not disputing what you discovered, I do question whether it was >> even vaguely possible that a woman could bear 30 children by the time >> she was 43, unless all were multiple births.< > > I tend to agree with you! > >> Easy way to find her... >> On ancestry, you dont need a name to search. I put in Female, Wife, >> born 1808, living Watford, and only 20 results came up. It should be >> easy to see whether any of them were publican's wives. You might have >> to try a few different years of birth. Hope this helps Sandra> > > Good thinking! Tried that. So far I've examined every family in Watford > with a wife born in 1807-09 and cannot see an obvious candidate. The > most I can find are families with 7 or 8 children and if she had had 30 I > would have expected to find far more, even if some of them had died or > grown up and moved. > > But many thanks for the suggestion. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Tony Harrison" <[email protected]> > Hi Roy > Just a thought but what about Kellys Directories for 1850's you might > narrow the search by checking licensed victuallers Regards Tony ----- Thanks, Tony, that is certainly one of the things I will be trying. However, I suspect Watford had a lot of pubs in 1851! -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Sandra J Smith" <[email protected]> > Whilst not disputing what you discovered, I do question whether it was > even vaguely possible that a woman could bear 30 children by the time > she was 43, unless all were multiple births.< I tend to agree with you! > Easy way to find her... > On ancestry, you dont need a name to search. I put in Female, Wife, > born 1808, living Watford, and only 20 results came up. It should be > easy to see whether any of them were publican's wives. You might have > to try a few different years of birth. Hope this helps Sandra> Good thinking! Tried that. So far I've examined every family in Watford with a wife born in 1807-09 and cannot see an obvious candidate. The most I can find are families with 7 or 8 children and if she had had 30 I would have expected to find far more, even if some of them had died or grown up and moved. But many thanks for the suggestion. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Roy Just a thought but what about Kellys Directories for 1850's you might narrow the search by checking licensed victuallers Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [HRT] Watford woman with 30 children in 1851 >I just came across the following fascinating item on a website that is > conducting a trial of online digitised newspapers from the British > Library..... > >>From Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser, Dublin, April > 12 1851: > > "REMARKABLE FACT. There is now residing at Watford, in > Hertfordshire, the wife of a respectable licensed victualler, not more > than > forty-three years of age, who was safely delivered, on Monday last, of her > thirtieth child." > > As you can imagine, I am now very keen to find out who she was and if it > was true! However, no name is given. Grrrrrrr.....doesn't it make you want > to spit? > > Presumably, this lady must have figured in the 1851 census, which was > conducted only a few days before the birth of her 30th child. But how to > find her, that's the question? Simply entering Hertfordshire as the county > and Watford as the parish at Ancestry produces over 6,600 entries in the > 1851. And just calling up the June and Sep quarters of 1851 for births at > Watford in FreeBMD produces scores of results. > > Short of trawling through the lot and checking each name in the 1851 > census (and that is hours and hours of work), can anyone think of a quick > short cut to finding out who she was? Or, indeed, has anybody come > across this woman before? And yes, I've tried the Guinness Book of > Records websites and, no, she doesn't appear! > > Grateful for any suggestions. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Whilst not disputing what you discovered, I do question whether it was even vaguely possible that a woman could bear 30 children by the time she was 43, unless all were multiple births. Easy way to find her... On ancestry, you dont need a name to search. I put in Female, Wife, born 1808, living Watford, and only 20 results came up. It should be easy to see whether any of them were publican's wives. You might have to try a few different years of birth. Hope this helps Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [HRT] Watford woman with 30 children in 1851 >I just came across the following fascinating item on a website that is > conducting a trial of online digitised newspapers from the British > Library..... > >>From Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser, Dublin, April > 12 1851: > > "REMARKABLE FACT. There is now residing at Watford, in > Hertfordshire, the wife of a respectable licensed victualler, not more > than > forty-three years of age, who was safely delivered, on Monday last, of her > thirtieth child." > > As you can imagine, I am now very keen to find out who she was and if it > was true! However, no name is given. Grrrrrrr.....doesn't it make you want > to spit? > > Presumably, this lady must have figured in the 1851 census, which was > conducted only a few days before the birth of her 30th child. But how to > find her, that's the question? Simply entering Hertfordshire as the county > and Watford as the parish at Ancestry produces over 6,600 entries in the > 1851. And just calling up the June and Sep quarters of 1851 for births at > Watford in FreeBMD produces scores of results. > > Short of trawling through the lot and checking each name in the 1851 > census (and that is hours and hours of work), can anyone think of a quick > short cut to finding out who she was? Or, indeed, has anybody come > across this woman before? And yes, I've tried the Guinness Book of > Records websites and, no, she doesn't appear! > > Grateful for any suggestions. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 11/05/2008 13:08

I just came across the following fascinating item on a website that is conducting a trial of online digitised newspapers from the British Library..... >From Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser, Dublin, April 12 1851: "REMARKABLE FACT. There is now residing at Watford, in Hertfordshire, the wife of a respectable licensed victualler, not more than forty-three years of age, who was safely delivered, on Monday last, of her thirtieth child." As you can imagine, I am now very keen to find out who she was and if it was true! However, no name is given. Grrrrrrr.....doesn't it make you want to spit? Presumably, this lady must have figured in the 1851 census, which was conducted only a few days before the birth of her 30th child. But how to find her, that's the question? Simply entering Hertfordshire as the county and Watford as the parish at Ancestry produces over 6,600 entries in the 1851. And just calling up the June and Sep quarters of 1851 for births at Watford in FreeBMD produces scores of results. Short of trawling through the lot and checking each name in the 1851 census (and that is hours and hours of work), can anyone think of a quick short cut to finding out who she was? Or, indeed, has anybody come across this woman before? And yes, I've tried the Guinness Book of Records websites and, no, she doesn't appear! Grateful for any suggestions. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I just came across the following fascinating item on a website that is conducting a trial of online digitised newspapers from the British Library..... >From Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser, Dublin, April 12 1851: "REMARKABLE FACT. There is now residing at Watford, in Hertfordshire, the wife of a respectable licensed victualler, not more than forty-three years of age, who was safely delivered, on Monday last, of her thirtieth child." As you can imagine, I am now very keen to find out who she was and if it was true! However, no name is given. Grrrrrrr.....doesn't it make you want to spit? Presumably, this lady must have figured in the 1851 census, which was conducted only a few days before the birth of her 30th child. But how to find her, that's the question? Simply entering Hertfordshire as the county and Watford as the parish at Ancestry produces over 6,600 entries in the 1851. And just calling up the June and Sep quarters of 1851 for births at Watford in FreeBMD produces scores of results. Short of trawling through the lot and checking each name in the 1851 census (and that is hours and hours of work), can anyone think of a quick short cut to finding out who she was? Or, indeed, has anybody come across this woman before? And yes, I've tried the Guinness Book of Records websites and, no, she doesn't appear! Grateful for any suggestions. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE