Carolyn, A search of the HALS holdings in A2a indicates they hold manorial records which mention Napsbury > CONTACT: Hertfordshire Archives and Local Studies > > > Manorial Records > Catalogue Ref. D/ECd > > Creator(s): > Trustees of the Earl of Caledon, Rumball and Edwards, St Albans, > Hertfordshire > > > TITLE DEEDS > > Aldenham, North Mymms, Offley, Ridge, St. Michaels, St. > Peters, St. Stephens, Shenley, Kings Walden, Pauls Walden, > Islington, St. Giles-in-the-Fields, South Mimms, Middlesex > > FILE - Deeds - ref. D/ECd/T4 - date: 1547 - 1831 > hit[from Scope and Content] Manor of Tyttenhanger and > Ridge, manor of Blackhide otherwise Coursers, rectory, advowson and > tithes of Ridge, tithes of Tyttenhanger and London Colney, tithes of > manors of Tyttenhanger and Napsbury, Tyttenhanger mansion and 188a > park and woodland, Bowmans Green Farm and 550a, Coursers Farm and > 522a, Old Bell Farm and 135a, Ridge Hill Farm and 115a, messuage > called Pottwells and 94a, Theobald Street Farm and 66a, tenements at > Ridge Hill, Aldenham, North Mimms, Ridge, St. Michaels, St. > Stephens, Shenley; Tanketts Farm and 54a, Offley, Kings and Pauls > Walden; Mobbs House Farm and 40a, 17a called West Mead, South Mimms: > 11 messuages in Princes Street, St. Giles-in-the-Fields: 14a called > Barnsbury Fields, Islington. [Bundle divided into 2 parts: part 1, > 1547-1724; part 2, 1728-1831] > Hertfordshire Archives and Local Studies Archon Code : 46 Contact Details County Hall Hertford SG13 8EJ England Tel: 01438 737333 Fax: 01992 555113 Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.hertsdirect.org/heritage On 30 Jun 2008, at 21:24, carogene wrote: > Further to my recent enquiry re manorial records, the name of the > manor is > NAPSBURY, in the parish of St Peter, St Albans. > Has any lister had experience with manorial records? Does anyone > know where > the records for Napsbury are kept, and are they available to the > public? > Many thanks for any help. > Carolyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

No I haven't, Marlene. How would I do that? It would confirm addresses but,presumably, it wouldn't mention any offspring until they were 21 and probably flown the nest. Dean On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dean > Have you tried looking for Electoral Roll information, since you have > addresses? > Marlene > New Zealand > > Dean Evans wrote: > > Jan, I am so sorry to have put you to such bother. The facts that you > quote > > are right, so well done, but I am trying to find more recent news of the > > SOMMERVILLE family. Vivien and her husband are listed in the phone book > on > > Ancestry as living at Radlett, in Herts, up to 1957 so I am hoping there > is > > someone on "Rootsweb" that can help trace their descendants, if they have > > any.Dean > > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Jan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Dean, > >> > >> I have spent over an hour searching Ancestry in several countries and > the > >> only records I found from the 1920 marriages were the following. > >> William J Sommerville married Vivien Edwards in AMJ of 1920 in > Marylebone, > >> LONDON. > >> > >> Ancestry has a tree with a Vivien listed as being born in 1897 (London). > >> She has two brothers, Henry C Edwards and John W Edwards. Their parents > are > >> John Passmore Edwards (1823-1911) and Eleanor Humphries. John P Edwards > >> 1823 was born in Blackwater, Cornwall and died in Hampstead, London. > >> > >> Although the names are very similar, the places do not match with what > >> you've given. Sorry, I tried. > >> > >> Jan > >> > >> > >> --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Dean Evans <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> From: Dean Evans <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [HRT] SOMMERVILLE > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:37 AM > >> > >> Newbie to your list. > >> I am researching the life and history of John PASSMORE EDWARDS, the > >> Victorian philanthropist. ( www.passmoreedwards.org.uk ) His > >> granddaughter, > >> Vivien Passmore Edwards, married James William SOMMERVILLE, in 1920, and > >> for > >> some time, at least until 1955, they lived at "Bracondale, The Avenue, > >> Radlett, Herts". I would very much like to trace any living relatives of > >> this couple or any other information about them.I hope someone can help > me. > >> Dean Evans > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Further to my recent enquiry re manorial records, the name of the manor is NAPSBURY, in the parish of St Peter, St Albans. Has any lister had experience with manorial records? Does anyone know where the records for Napsbury are kept, and are they available to the public? Many thanks for any help. Carolyn

Aah! could be, couldn't it? On the HALS website it's typed as Stondon but I've ordered a copy of the actual entry, so hopefully that will clarify matters. Thanks Ray. Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: "RAYMOND BISHOP" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Stondon, p/o Hunsdon? > Could it be Standon? > Standon and Hunsdon were both in Hertfordshire's Braughing Hundred. > Ray > > > Thelma Wigley <[email protected]> wrote: > I have details of a marriage (from the Allen Index) in 1671 where both > bride and groom are said to be "of Stondon" although the marriage took > place in Hunsdon. > > The only Stondons I can find are Stondon Massey in Essex and Upper/Lower > Stondon north of Hitchin. Does anyone know whether there was another, > which has perhaps now been absorbed by Hunsdon? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1525 - Release Date: 29/06/2008 > 15:09 > >

Could it be Standon? Standon and Hunsdon were both in Hertfordshire's Braughing Hundred. Ray Thelma Wigley <[email protected]> wrote: I have details of a marriage (from the Allen Index) in 1671 where both bride and groom are said to be "of Stondon" although the marriage took place in Hunsdon. The only Stondons I can find are Stondon Massey in Essex and Upper/Lower Stondon north of Hitchin. Does anyone know whether there was another, which has perhaps now been absorbed by Hunsdon? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have details of a marriage (from the Allen Index) in 1671 where both bride and groom are said to be "of Stondon" although the marriage took place in Hunsdon. The only Stondons I can find are Stondon Massey in Essex and Upper/Lower Stondon north of Hitchin. Does anyone know whether there was another, which has perhaps now been absorbed by Hunsdon?

Dear Thelma, It is definately Standon. At one time it was known as Stondon. Just as Hertford was at one time written Hartford, and Therfield - Therefeld etc. Valerie Edwards, Vancouver Island, Canada, formerly from Stevenage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thelma Wigley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: [HRT] Stondon, p/o Hunsdon? >I have details of a marriage (from the Allen Index) in 1671 where both >bride and groom are said to be "of Stondon" although the marriage took >place in Hunsdon. > > The only Stondons I can find are Stondon Massey in Essex and Upper/Lower > Stondon north of Hitchin. Does anyone know whether there was another, > which has perhaps now been absorbed by Hunsdon?

Jan, I am so sorry to have put you to such bother. The facts that you quote are right, so well done, but I am trying to find more recent news of the SOMMERVILLE family. Vivien and her husband are listed in the phone book on Ancestry as living at Radlett, in Herts, up to 1957 so I am hoping there is someone on "Rootsweb" that can help trace their descendants, if they have any.Dean On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Jan <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dean, > > I have spent over an hour searching Ancestry in several countries and the > only records I found from the 1920 marriages were the following. > William J Sommerville married Vivien Edwards in AMJ of 1920 in Marylebone, > LONDON. > > Ancestry has a tree with a Vivien listed as being born in 1897 (London). > She has two brothers, Henry C Edwards and John W Edwards. Their parents are > John Passmore Edwards (1823-1911) and Eleanor Humphries. John P Edwards > 1823 was born in Blackwater, Cornwall and died in Hampstead, London. > > Although the names are very similar, the places do not match with what > you've given. Sorry, I tried. > > Jan > > > --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Dean Evans <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Dean Evans <[email protected]> > Subject: [HRT] SOMMERVILLE > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:37 AM > > Newbie to your list. > I am researching the life and history of John PASSMORE EDWARDS, the > Victorian philanthropist. ( www.passmoreedwards.org.uk ) His > granddaughter, > Vivien Passmore Edwards, married James William SOMMERVILLE, in 1920, and > for > some time, at least until 1955, they lived at "Bracondale, The Avenue, > Radlett, Herts". I would very much like to trace any living relatives of > this couple or any other information about them.I hope someone can help me. > Dean Evans > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Newbie to your list. I am researching the life and history of John PASSMORE EDWARDS, the Victorian philanthropist. ( www.passmoreedwards.org.uk ) His granddaughter, Vivien Passmore Edwards, married James William SOMMERVILLE, in 1920, and for some time, at least until 1955, they lived at "Bracondale, The Avenue, Radlett, Herts". I would very much like to trace any living relatives of this couple or any other information about them.I hope someone can help me. Dean Evans

Hi Dean, For many many years Stratford in East London where I used to live had a lovely museum called the Passmore Edwards Museum. It was free and a joy for me and others to have a browse in to learn about the local history. Sadly it was closed down in 1998 and all the contents were removed to the Essex County Records Office in Chelmsford. We were only saying the other day who on earth was Passmore Edwards as his name crops up often around Stratford and London. I have read your email and looked up the website and now I know who he was. The museum used to be in Romford Road I think it was Stratford right close to the Stratford library. They would probably know more about Passmore Edwards, as would a local historian would know. So maybe contact could be made that way. Not sure what the connection is between the museum and Passmore Edwards, but I will try to find out. Meanwhile I shall have a delve and see what I can find. I am going to the historical club meeting tonight and they are very knowledgeable - although I live in Havering, Essex now - and might be able to give me some information. Regards Diana Re: Newbie to your list. I am researching the life and history of John PASSMORE EDWARDS, the Victorian philanthropist. ( www.passmoreedwards.org.uk ) His granddaughter, Vivien Passmore Edwards, married James William SOMMERVILLE, in 1920, and for some time, at least until 1955, they lived at "Bracondale, The Avenue, Radlett, Herts". I would very much like to trace any living relatives of this couple or any other information about them.I hope someone can help me. Dean Evans

Hi Dean,   I have spent over an hour searching Ancestry in several countries and the only records I found from the 1920 marriages were the following. William J Sommerville married Vivien Edwards in AMJ of 1920 in Marylebone, LONDON.   Ancestry has a tree with a Vivien listed as being born in 1897 (London). She has two brothers, Henry C Edwards and John W Edwards. Their parents are John Passmore Edwards (1823-1911) and Eleanor Humphries.  John P Edwards 1823 was born in Blackwater, Cornwall and died in Hampstead, London.   Although the names are very similar, the places do not match with what you've given. Sorry, I tried.   Jan --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Dean Evans <[email protected]> wrote: From: Dean Evans <[email protected]> Subject: [HRT] SOMMERVILLE To: [email protected] Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:37 AM Newbie to your list. I am researching the life and history of John PASSMORE EDWARDS, the Victorian philanthropist. ( www.passmoreedwards.org.uk ) His granddaughter, Vivien Passmore Edwards, married James William SOMMERVILLE, in 1920, and for some time, at least until 1955, they lived at "Bracondale, The Avenue, Radlett, Herts". I would very much like to trace any living relatives of this couple or any other information about them.I hope someone can help me. Dean Evans ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Tony, I shall do as you have suggested. Cheers Carolyn

Hi Adrian, I do not think all the marriages registered at Hitchin Union are all inmates, HALs have them on film of the Barnet Guardians ,I have an ancestor who's married was registered there in 1860, and in the 1861 census he was a Builder employing 2 men the marriage was also solemnized at the Parish Church of Hitchin, most of the marriages are solemnized at different Parish Churches. The format of the Marriage Cert is different than the norm, although after 1837 no Fathers are named and the time they have resided in the Parish is recorded,some say more than a Month also no witnesses are named. Perhaps someone knows why they were recorded at Hitchin Union and not at the normal Registery Office Derick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Pitts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: [HRT] Hitchin Union Registers > On the Allen Index I have a couple of marriages from the Hitchin Union > Registers. Does this mean that inmates at the workhouse could be married > there? The marriages are in 1849 and 1869. If this is the case are the > workhouse records showing when people entered and left available? In one > case, John PITTS marrying Sarah LOW, I am particularly interested as they > had been refused a marriage certificate earlier as Sarah was the > half-sister > to John's first wife. > > Adrian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On the Allen Index I have a couple of marriages from the Hitchin Union Registers. Does this mean that inmates at the workhouse could be married there? The marriages are in 1849 and 1869. If this is the case are the workhouse records showing when people entered and left available? In one case, John PITTS marrying Sarah LOW, I am particularly interested as they had been refused a marriage certificate earlier as Sarah was the half-sister to John's first wife. Adrian

Robert Boome born about 1733, died 1807 and left a will dated 1808. The will states that he left some copyhold property to his son Henry. Henry died in 1838 and also left a will, which states that the copyhold property left to him by his father Robert was of the Manor of what looks like Shaftsbury. Where can I find out what Manors controlled the land in London Colney? Could it have been Shaftsbury? Then, me next question is where can I access the Manorial records please? Many thanks for your help. Carolyn in NZ

Hi Carolyn HALS has quite a number of manorial records. As a first step I suggest you email them and ask them 1 What they think the will says 2 Whether they have any manorial rolls for that manor. If you get stuck email me off list and I will look next time I go to HALS Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "carogene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:39 AM Subject: [HRT] BOOME - Copyhold property > Robert Boome born about 1733, died 1807 and left a will dated 1808. > The will states that he left some copyhold property to his son Henry. > Henry died in 1838 and also left a will, which states that the copyhold > property left to him by his father Robert was of the Manor of what looks > like Shaftsbury. > Where can I find out what Manors controlled the land in London Colney? > Could it have been Shaftsbury? > Then, me next question is where can I access the Manorial records please? > Many thanks for your help. > Carolyn in NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

mike I can't help on the Watford end but my family were (and still are) from Ripley Derbyshire. If there's anything you need help with at that end of the chain, email me off list and I'll see if I can do anything. Elaine

Mike, Thanks for your response. You're right about the accuracy of census data. As someone who spent years transcribing census records for the FreeCen project, you sometimes needed the skills of a code-breaker to decipher the words; however the challenge had its rewards when you finally works out what was meant as opposed to what was written!! Regarding my photo, there is always the other possibility; i.e. the photographer, although based in Watford, may have been a travelling tradesman and included Notts and Derbys on his route. In family history research, when faced with a brick wall, resort to lateral thinking!! Thanks again, Mike

Hi Carolyn Whilst I have come across many different remarks for illegitimate children, one of the most poignant entries I have found came from a Burial register in 1761 Mary, a foundling Child, Daughter of the Lord knows who was buried Sep 4th. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "carogene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] BOOME family of London Colney & Shenley > Yes, the Rev Newsome was very generous with the word Ba....d , but I think > the best entry that I read was: > Baptised on ...... Jane daughter of Jane Bloggs SPINSTER of this parish. > Father John Smith.. ran away! > Cheers > Carolyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List, My name is David Attride. I am conducting a one-surname search for anyone related to the surname RYDE. It appears to originate from the London/Surrey area. If you are related to these families please contact me as I have a very large database about them. David Attride Tennessee, USA