Easy as using the BT phone book online. http://www.thephonebook.bt.com/publisha.content/en/search/residential/search.publisha   D Jessop Tel: (01923) 445915 - 17 Parsonage Rd, Rickmansworth, WD3 1AE -   N.V Jessop Tel: (01923) 404559 -  15 Hornbeams, Bricket Wood, St Albans, AL2 3SP -   T Jessop Tel: (01923) 220756 -  63 Pretoria Rd, Watford, WD18 0RL - --- On Thu, 7/3/08, philippa edwards <[email protected]> wrote: From: philippa edwards <[email protected]> Subject: [HRT] JESSOP / JESSUP ST Albans To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 6:39 PM Hello, I am trying to find members of the Jessop (possibly JESSUP) family in the St Albans area on behalf of Victor Raymond Jesso(u)p. Victor was born in the 1930s in the Maida Vale area of London. Thank you, Pippa Edwards, Brighton. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, in the 1871 it does look as if they might only have been married for a few years , their dau Elizabeth is 2 yrs old and they have Eliza Brockwell`s sister Jane living with them ......what is slightly odd is that they have moved from Kingston Surrey to Sheering in Essex ...... Eliza is in the 1861 born Kingston , living Kingston with her parents William and Hesiah both from Reading Berks . I only wonder now if he was married as Alfred James , there is an Eliza Brockwell married in the Mile End district , in June 1/4 of 1863 but I didn`t find a matching James Lovejoy ..........there were 6 James Lovejoys married between 1862 and 1869 but none with a matching Brockwell as far as I can see !! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: [HRT] (no subject) >I am trying to locate my G.Grandfathers birth, according to the census >returns he says he was born in Hertfordshire. I have searched the BDMs and >no trace, his name was James Alfred Lovejoy born somewhere around >1838-1840. Another thing is I can not find a marriage for him and his wife >Eliza Brockwell, this event would have happened somewhere around 1865 + >or - a few years. > > My hope is that someone might be visiting HALS and might have a quick look > at the parish records for a birth date. > Or can anyone give me any ideas how to move on. > > Barbara Spicer > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1529 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 7:23 PM

Dear Cindy, As I have never heard of "Slowman" and can find nothing close to it on my 1766 map for the Hitchin locality, I looked at the Herts FHS 1851 census disc, this lists 8 Sarah Bretts, none of whom list a birthplace as "Slowman". Of course, I am assuming your ancestor is living in Hertfordshire in 1851. Can you give me some more details, so that I can see if an entry on the 1851 Herts census gives a better clue? Valerie Edwards, Vancouver Island, Canada. (Formerly of Stevenage, only a few miles from Hitchin). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Mac Suibhne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: [HRT] Slowman and Sarah BRETT >A Big Hello to Everyone, > I'm sure someone can answer this question for me. My ggggrandmother Sarah > BRETT listed her birthplace on the 1851 Herts census as Slowman. She > married her husband James TOMLIN at St. Mary's in Hitchin. Could someone > tell me how far Slowman is from Hitchin. I once located Slowman on an old > map but I can't find that same map. It must have been a very small town > Thanks, > Cindy > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From personal experience, I have found our family name spelled over 40 different ways in census and BMD records - and then the transcribers version.. In all honesty, it must have been really difficult to transcribe the earlier information from those scribbled, illegible books. To name a few, I found Palfery spelled Palpherey, Paulfrey, Polfree, and Palvery, and over 30 other variations, all searchable in Ancestry. To this day, I cannot find my grandmother in the 1901 London census!   Good luck with your search, and it really wasn't a bother. I enjoy helping.   Jan --- On Thu, 7/3/08, Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> wrote: From: Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HRT] SOMMERVILLE To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 6:56 AM Hi Dean It's not always the databases! You may find instances of the following: 1. The wife spells names differently from the husband 2. The name varies from County to County, if the family moved 3. The Vicar "hears" something different from the Census Enumerator 4. Then Miss Transcription joins in..for her share of the fun!! 5. And then the family uses nicknames because there are too many Johns, Williams, Georges, Mary Anns and Sarahs in the village... so you get Jacks, Willies, Pollys and Sallys... Who needs Sudoko, just try Family History! ;-) Best of British! Marlene Dean Evans wrote: > Thanks Marlene, you have given me a breakthrough. I have been using > Ancestry, which uses FreeBDM data but didn't pick up the Sommerviles with > only one "m". Most of these data bases are a bit hit or miss. I was > searching through a copy of the Times this morning for a reference that > Ancestry said was there but it took several goes to actually find it. > Dean > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> Hi Dean >> I believe you need to write to HALs to ascertain where the Electoral >> Rolls for the area of interest are held, within the time frame you >> specify. There is a charge for searching. >> I found a date for a marriage (say 1915) and assumed there might have >> been a child born born within 2 years, and looked for Electoral Roll >> info circa 1935-1939 for example. It's hit and miss because Elections >> weren't held during the war but I am resarching my family forward after >> great grandparents emigrated in 1878 so like you I have no idea of any >> children's names! >> Desperation is the mother of invention and I try anything! >> >> You might find a helpful Local Registry or the GRO from which you could >> purchase the only current entry on the Free BMD (I don't have Ancestry >> sorry ) which shows a Somerville father with an Edwards mother which is >> as follows: >> JANET M SOMERVILLE birth registered Mar Q 1923 Hammersmith 1a/364, >> stating that her parents must be James William SOMERVILLE & VIVIEN >> PASSMORE EDWARDS. If this is correct you could then track a marriage >> perhaps for Janet M. or you might find her on the Electoral Rolls. >> Good luck >> Marlene >> >> Dean Evans wrote: >> >>> No I haven't, Marlene. How would I do that? It would confirm addresses >>> but,presumably, it wouldn't mention any offspring until they were 21 and >>> probably flown the nest. >>> Dean >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Dean >>>> Have you tried looking for Electoral Roll information, since you have >>>> addresses? >>>> Marlene >>>> New Zealand >>>> >>>> Dean Evans wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jan, I am so sorry to have put you to such bother. The facts that you >>>>> >>>>> >>>> quote >>>> >>>> >>>>> are right, so well done, but I am trying to find more recent news of >>>>> >> the >> >>>>> SOMMERVILLE family. Vivien and her husband are listed in the phone book >>>>> >>>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ancestry as living at Radlett, in Herts, up to 1957 so I am hoping >>>>> >> there >> >>>> is >>>> >>>> >>>>> someone on "Rootsweb" that can help trace their descendants, if they >>>>> >> have >> >>>>> any.Dean >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Jan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Dean, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have spent over an hour searching Ancestry in several countries and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only records I found from the 1920 marriages were the following. >>>>>> William J Sommerville married Vivien Edwards in AMJ of 1920 in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Marylebone, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> LONDON. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ancestry has a tree with a Vivien listed as being born in 1897 >>>>>> >> (London). >> >>>>>> She has two brothers, Henry C Edwards and John W Edwards. Their >>>>>> >> parents >> >>>> are >>>> >>>> >>>>>> John Passmore Edwards (1823-1911) and Eleanor Humphries. John P >>>>>> >> Edwards >> >>>>>> 1823 was born in Blackwater, Cornwall and died in Hampstead, London. >>>>>> >>>>>> Although the names are very similar, the places do not match with what >>>>>> you've given. Sorry, I tried. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Dean Evans <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Dean Evans <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: [HRT] SOMMERVILLE >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:37 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> Newbie to your list. >>>>>> I am researching the life and history of John PASSMORE EDWARDS, the >>>>>> Victorian philanthropist. ( www.passmoreedwards.org.uk ) His >>>>>> granddaughter, >>>>>> Vivien Passmore Edwards, married James William SOMMERVILLE, in 1920, >>>>>> >> and >> >>>>>> for >>>>>> some time, at least until 1955, they lived at "Bracondale, The >>>>>> >> Avenue, >> >>>>>> Radlett, Herts". I would very much like to trace any living relatives >>>>>> >> of >> >>>>>> this couple or any other information about them.I hope someone can >>>>>> >> help >> >>>> me. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Dean Evans >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> without >>>> >>>> >>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> >>>>> >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> >> without >> >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> >> without >> >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > From: Rosemary Williams <[email protected]> > Date: 2008/07/02 Wed PM 11:38:32 BST > To: Herts <[email protected]> > Subject: [HRT] Fwd: (no subject) > > Barbara, Hi Rosemary I don't think the Lovejoys came from Kingston, they eventually settled there, my grandmother met and married my granddad there and most of their children were born there. The variations on the census I think was laziness on the part of the family at the time. My Grandfather was born in Essex, but was invariably put down as born Kingston. Barbara > There seem to be variations on the census returns: > > 1871 > James born Watford Herts > Eliza born Kingston Surrey > > 1881 > James born Kingston > Eliza born ditto > Eliza's sister down as 'Jean Brackwell'(But there seem to have been a > whole set of Brockwells from Kingston so I think the name is not in > doubt, just how it was sometimes recorded.) > > > 1891 Ancestry has Love joy as 'Louegoy' > James born Hertfordshire (Transcribed 'Herefordshire') > Eliza born Surrey Malden > > It is also possible that a marriage never took place. > > Ro > > --- [email protected] wrote: > > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:18:59 +0100 > > Subject: [HRT] (no subject) > > > > I am trying to locate my G.Grandfathers birth, according to the > > census returns he says he was born in Hertfordshire. I have searched > > the BDMs and no trace, his name was James Alfred Lovejoy born > > somewhere around 1838-1840. Another thing is I can not find a > > marriage for him and his wife Eliza Brockwell, this event would have > > happened somewhere around 1865 + or - a few years. > > > > My hope is that someone might be visiting HALS and might have a quick > > look at the parish records for a birth date. > > Or can anyone give me any ideas how to move on. > > > > Barbara Spicer > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

> Rosemary Although the Lovejoys settled in Kingston eventually, my mother and her most of her siblings were born their I don't think they originated fron there and until I can find his birth I'm stuck. I've thought for some time there was no marriage. Barbara > From: Rosemary Williams <[email protected]> > Date: 2008/07/02 Wed PM 11:38:32 BST > To: Herts <[email protected]> > Subject: [HRT] Fwd: (no subject) > > Barbara, > > There seem to be variations on the census returns: > > 1871 > James born Watford Herts > Eliza born Kingston Surrey > > 1881 > James born Kingston > Eliza born ditto > Eliza's sister down as 'Jean Brackwell'(But there seem to have been a > whole set of Brockwells from Kingston so I think the name is not in > doubt, just how it was sometimes recorded.) > > > 1891 Ancestry has Love joy as 'Louegoy' > James born Hertfordshire (Transcribed 'Herefordshire') > Eliza born Surrey Malden > > It is also possible that a marriage never took place. > > Ro > > --- [email protected] wrote: > > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:18:59 +0100 > > Subject: [HRT] (no subject) > > > > I am trying to locate my G.Grandfathers birth, according to the > > census returns he says he was born in Hertfordshire. I have searched > > the BDMs and no trace, his name was James Alfred Lovejoy born > > somewhere around 1838-1840. Another thing is I can not find a > > marriage for him and his wife Eliza Brockwell, this event would have > > happened somewhere around 1865 + or - a few years. > > > > My hope is that someone might be visiting HALS and might have a quick > > look at the parish records for a birth date. > > Or can anyone give me any ideas how to move on. > > > > Barbara Spicer > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

Hi Dean I believe you need to write to HALs to ascertain where the Electoral Rolls for the area of interest are held, within the time frame you specify. There is a charge for searching. I found a date for a marriage (say 1915) and assumed there might have been a child born born within 2 years, and looked for Electoral Roll info circa 1935-1939 for example. It's hit and miss because Elections weren't held during the war but I am resarching my family forward after great grandparents emigrated in 1878 so like you I have no idea of any children's names! Desperation is the mother of invention and I try anything! You might find a helpful Local Registry or the GRO from which you could purchase the only current entry on the Free BMD (I don't have Ancestry sorry ) which shows a Somerville father with an Edwards mother which is as follows: JANET M SOMERVILLE birth registered Mar Q 1923 Hammersmith 1a/364, stating that her parents must be James William SOMERVILLE & VIVIEN PASSMORE EDWARDS. If this is correct you could then track a marriage perhaps for Janet M. or you might find her on the Electoral Rolls. Good luck Marlene Dean Evans wrote: > No I haven't, Marlene. How would I do that? It would confirm addresses > but,presumably, it wouldn't mention any offspring until they were 21 and > probably flown the nest. > Dean > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> Hi Dean >> Have you tried looking for Electoral Roll information, since you have >> addresses? >> Marlene >> New Zealand >> >> Dean Evans wrote: >> >>> Jan, I am so sorry to have put you to such bother. The facts that you >>> >> quote >> >>> are right, so well done, but I am trying to find more recent news of the >>> SOMMERVILLE family. Vivien and her husband are listed in the phone book >>> >> on >> >>> Ancestry as living at Radlett, in Herts, up to 1957 so I am hoping there >>> >> is >> >>> someone on "Rootsweb" that can help trace their descendants, if they have >>> any.Dean >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Jan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Dean, >>>> >>>> I have spent over an hour searching Ancestry in several countries and >>>> >> the >> >>>> only records I found from the 1920 marriages were the following. >>>> William J Sommerville married Vivien Edwards in AMJ of 1920 in >>>> >> Marylebone, >> >>>> LONDON. >>>> >>>> Ancestry has a tree with a Vivien listed as being born in 1897 (London). >>>> She has two brothers, Henry C Edwards and John W Edwards. Their parents >>>> >> are >> >>>> John Passmore Edwards (1823-1911) and Eleanor Humphries. John P Edwards >>>> 1823 was born in Blackwater, Cornwall and died in Hampstead, London. >>>> >>>> Although the names are very similar, the places do not match with what >>>> you've given. Sorry, I tried. >>>> >>>> Jan >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Dean Evans <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Dean Evans <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [HRT] SOMMERVILLE >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:37 AM >>>> >>>> Newbie to your list. >>>> I am researching the life and history of John PASSMORE EDWARDS, the >>>> Victorian philanthropist. ( www.passmoreedwards.org.uk ) His >>>> granddaughter, >>>> Vivien Passmore Edwards, married James William SOMMERVILLE, in 1920, and >>>> for >>>> some time, at least until 1955, they lived at "Bracondale, The Avenue, >>>> Radlett, Herts". I would very much like to trace any living relatives of >>>> this couple or any other information about them.I hope someone can help >>>> >> me. >> >>>> Dean Evans >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> >> without >> >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Barbara, There seem to be variations on the census returns: 1871 James born Watford Herts Eliza born Kingston Surrey 1881 James born Kingston Eliza born ditto Eliza's sister down as 'Jean Brackwell'(But there seem to have been a whole set of Brockwells from Kingston so I think the name is not in doubt, just how it was sometimes recorded.) 1891 Ancestry has Love joy as 'Louegoy' James born Hertfordshire (Transcribed 'Herefordshire') Eliza born Surrey Malden It is also possible that a marriage never took place. Ro --- [email protected] wrote: > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:18:59 +0100 > Subject: [HRT] (no subject) > > I am trying to locate my G.Grandfathers birth, according to the > census returns he says he was born in Hertfordshire. I have searched > the BDMs and no trace, his name was James Alfred Lovejoy born > somewhere around 1838-1840. Another thing is I can not find a > marriage for him and his wife Eliza Brockwell, this event would have > happened somewhere around 1865 + or - a few years. > > My hope is that someone might be visiting HALS and might have a quick > look at the parish records for a birth date. > Or can anyone give me any ideas how to move on. > > Barbara Spicer > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> Hi Sandra, I am sure his wife was Eliza Brockwell, I was able to verify her maiden name on my grandfathers birth certificate. Also I have trace her family. It's a possibility that he was born earlier than when records began, the only reason I gave those dates was Eliza gave his age at death in 1901 as 61. Barbara S > From: "Sandra J Smith"<[email protected]> > Date: 2008/07/02 Wed PM 10:34:03 BST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HRT] (no subject) > > Hi Barbara, > Looking at the 1871 Census, your James Lovejoy was 34 and was therefore born > 1836-1837, probably before General Registration began 1 Jul 1837. > He states he was born in Watford, so you should look at the parish registers > for Watford for his baptism, bearing in mind he could have been baptised at > any time after his birth (eg not just an infant) > Are you sure the name of the wife is Brockwell? The wife's sister, resident > with them in 1871, could easily be Brookwell. > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:18 PM > Subject: [HRT] (no subject) > > > >I am trying to locate my G.Grandfathers birth, according to the census > >returns he says he was born in Hertfordshire. I have searched the BDMs and > >no trace, his name was James Alfred Lovejoy born somewhere around > >1838-1840. Another thing is I can not find a marriage for him and his wife > >Eliza Brockwell, this event would have happened somewhere around 1865 + > >or - a few years. > > > > My hope is that someone might be visiting HALS and might have a quick look > > at the parish records for a birth date. > > Or can anyone give me any ideas how to move on. > > > > Barbara Spicer > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _______________________________________ > > No viruses found in this incoming message > > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 > > http://www.iolo.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this outgoing message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 > http://www.iolo.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

Hi everyone, Does anyone know anything about the family of John and Anne WANT of Layston? They had 7 children between 1730 and 1738. John WANT and Anne KENT were married 29 sep 1729 in Layston. These are the only WANT baptisms (and the only WANT marriage) in Layston and I was wondering if anyone knew where John came from or if anyone knows where the family moved to. I have a Francis WANT m.1760 in Wortham, SFK who I cannot find despite checking the PRs of dozens of SFK parishes. I am beginning to wonder if he came from further afield. Any help on the WANT name would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Donna

Hi Barbara, Looking at the 1871 Census, your James Lovejoy was 34 and was therefore born 1836-1837, probably before General Registration began 1 Jul 1837. He states he was born in Watford, so you should look at the parish registers for Watford for his baptism, bearing in mind he could have been baptised at any time after his birth (eg not just an infant) Are you sure the name of the wife is Brockwell? The wife's sister, resident with them in 1871, could easily be Brookwell. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: [HRT] (no subject) >I am trying to locate my G.Grandfathers birth, according to the census >returns he says he was born in Hertfordshire. I have searched the BDMs and >no trace, his name was James Alfred Lovejoy born somewhere around >1838-1840. Another thing is I can not find a marriage for him and his wife >Eliza Brockwell, this event would have happened somewhere around 1865 + >or - a few years. > > My hope is that someone might be visiting HALS and might have a quick look > at the parish records for a birth date. > Or can anyone give me any ideas how to move on. > > Barbara Spicer > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 > http://www.iolo.com > _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 http://www.iolo.com

I am trying to locate my G.Grandfathers birth, according to the census returns he says he was born in Hertfordshire. I have searched the BDMs and no trace, his name was James Alfred Lovejoy born somewhere around 1838-1840. Another thing is I can not find a marriage for him and his wife Eliza Brockwell, this event would have happened somewhere around 1865 + or - a few years. My hope is that someone might be visiting HALS and might have a quick look at the parish records for a birth date. Or can anyone give me any ideas how to move on. Barbara Spicer ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

A Big Hello to Everyone, I'm sure someone can answer this question for me. My ggggrandmother Sarah BRETT listed her birthplace on the 1851 Herts census as Slowman. She married her husband James TOMLIN at St. Mary's in Hitchin. Could someone tell me how far Slowman is from Hitchin. I once located Slowman on an old map but I can't find that same map. It must have been a very small town Thanks, Cindy

There are a numberr of WANT burials in Huntingdonshire and Wiltshire during the period 1700-1750. I think the former might be worth exploring. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Bailey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: [HRT] WANT in Layston 1730s > Hi everyone, > > Does anyone know anything about the family of John and Anne WANT of > Layston? > They had 7 children between 1730 and 1738. John WANT and Anne KENT were > married 29 sep 1729 in Layston. > > These are the only WANT baptisms (and the only WANT marriage) in Layston > and > I was wondering if anyone knew where John came from or if anyone knows > where > the family moved to. I have a Francis WANT m.1760 in Wortham, SFK who I > cannot find despite checking the PRs of dozens of SFK parishes. I am > beginning to wonder if he came from further afield. > > Any help on the WANT name would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Donna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 > http://www.iolo.com > _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 http://www.iolo.com

Thanks Marlene, you have given me a breakthrough. I have been using Ancestry, which uses FreeBDM data but didn't pick up the Sommerviles with only one "m". Most of these data bases are a bit hit or miss. I was searching through a copy of the Times this morning for a reference that Ancestry said was there but it took several goes to actually find it. Dean On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dean > I believe you need to write to HALs to ascertain where the Electoral > Rolls for the area of interest are held, within the time frame you > specify. There is a charge for searching. > I found a date for a marriage (say 1915) and assumed there might have > been a child born born within 2 years, and looked for Electoral Roll > info circa 1935-1939 for example. It's hit and miss because Elections > weren't held during the war but I am resarching my family forward after > great grandparents emigrated in 1878 so like you I have no idea of any > children's names! > Desperation is the mother of invention and I try anything! > > You might find a helpful Local Registry or the GRO from which you could > purchase the only current entry on the Free BMD (I don't have Ancestry > sorry ) which shows a Somerville father with an Edwards mother which is > as follows: > JANET M SOMERVILLE birth registered Mar Q 1923 Hammersmith 1a/364, > stating that her parents must be James William SOMERVILLE & VIVIEN > PASSMORE EDWARDS. If this is correct you could then track a marriage > perhaps for Janet M. or you might find her on the Electoral Rolls. > Good luck > Marlene > > Dean Evans wrote: > > No I haven't, Marlene. How would I do that? It would confirm addresses > > but,presumably, it wouldn't mention any offspring until they were 21 and > > probably flown the nest. > > Dean > > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Dean > >> Have you tried looking for Electoral Roll information, since you have > >> addresses? > >> Marlene > >> New Zealand > >> > >> Dean Evans wrote: > >> > >>> Jan, I am so sorry to have put you to such bother. The facts that you > >>> > >> quote > >> > >>> are right, so well done, but I am trying to find more recent news of > the > >>> SOMMERVILLE family. Vivien and her husband are listed in the phone book > >>> > >> on > >> > >>> Ancestry as living at Radlett, in Herts, up to 1957 so I am hoping > there > >>> > >> is > >> > >>> someone on "Rootsweb" that can help trace their descendants, if they > have > >>> any.Dean > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Jan <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hi Dean, > >>>> > >>>> I have spent over an hour searching Ancestry in several countries and > >>>> > >> the > >> > >>>> only records I found from the 1920 marriages were the following. > >>>> William J Sommerville married Vivien Edwards in AMJ of 1920 in > >>>> > >> Marylebone, > >> > >>>> LONDON. > >>>> > >>>> Ancestry has a tree with a Vivien listed as being born in 1897 > (London). > >>>> She has two brothers, Henry C Edwards and John W Edwards. Their > parents > >>>> > >> are > >> > >>>> John Passmore Edwards (1823-1911) and Eleanor Humphries. John P > Edwards > >>>> 1823 was born in Blackwater, Cornwall and died in Hampstead, London. > >>>> > >>>> Although the names are very similar, the places do not match with what > >>>> you've given. Sorry, I tried. > >>>> > >>>> Jan > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Dean Evans <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> From: Dean Evans <[email protected]> > >>>> Subject: [HRT] SOMMERVILLE > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:37 AM > >>>> > >>>> Newbie to your list. > >>>> I am researching the life and history of John PASSMORE EDWARDS, the > >>>> Victorian philanthropist. ( www.passmoreedwards.org.uk ) His > >>>> granddaughter, > >>>> Vivien Passmore Edwards, married James William SOMMERVILLE, in 1920, > and > >>>> for > >>>> some time, at least until 1955, they lived at "Bracondale, The > Avenue, > >>>> Radlett, Herts". I would very much like to trace any living relatives > of > >>>> this couple or any other information about them.I hope someone can > help > >>>> > >> me. > >> > >>>> Dean Evans > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>> > >> without > >> > >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >>> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks for finding those for me Anne, I have emailed Herts Archives with my enquiry, as I am unfamiliar with just how to access these records. You have done a wonderful job of providing me with a very quick answer! Thanks again. Carolyn

Hi Dean Have you tried looking for Electoral Roll information, since you have addresses? Marlene New Zealand Dean Evans wrote: > Jan, I am so sorry to have put you to such bother. The facts that you quote > are right, so well done, but I am trying to find more recent news of the > SOMMERVILLE family. Vivien and her husband are listed in the phone book on > Ancestry as living at Radlett, in Herts, up to 1957 so I am hoping there is > someone on "Rootsweb" that can help trace their descendants, if they have > any.Dean > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Jan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Hi Dean, >> >> I have spent over an hour searching Ancestry in several countries and the >> only records I found from the 1920 marriages were the following. >> William J Sommerville married Vivien Edwards in AMJ of 1920 in Marylebone, >> LONDON. >> >> Ancestry has a tree with a Vivien listed as being born in 1897 (London). >> She has two brothers, Henry C Edwards and John W Edwards. Their parents are >> John Passmore Edwards (1823-1911) and Eleanor Humphries. John P Edwards >> 1823 was born in Blackwater, Cornwall and died in Hampstead, London. >> >> Although the names are very similar, the places do not match with what >> you've given. Sorry, I tried. >> >> Jan >> >> >> --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Dean Evans <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Dean Evans <[email protected]> >> Subject: [HRT] SOMMERVILLE >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:37 AM >> >> Newbie to your list. >> I am researching the life and history of John PASSMORE EDWARDS, the >> Victorian philanthropist. ( www.passmoreedwards.org.uk ) His >> granddaughter, >> Vivien Passmore Edwards, married James William SOMMERVILLE, in 1920, and >> for >> some time, at least until 1955, they lived at "Bracondale, The Avenue, >> Radlett, Herts". I would very much like to trace any living relatives of >> this couple or any other information about them.I hope someone can help me. >> Dean Evans >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Ginger I assume you've seen the entry on IGI for the baptism at Edlesborough, Bucks in 1803. All I can suggest is to look at the film of that register for any comments on the entry. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ginger Sent: 01 July 2008 19:10 To: [email protected] Subject: [HRT] GINGER/ANSTEY...ANSTEE Folks I have a relative called William Anstee GINGER (b1803 in Northall, which I think was historically Bucks). William's family appear to be connected to the Ginger's of Edelsborough, made more difficult by the fact that William was illegitimate - but after over 2 years of searching I can't find his father, or any reference to likely candidates. What I have found is that Willam's mother (Elizabeth Ginger b. c1775, Abbots Langley) had a brother called Edward Ginger (b. 6/4/1776 Edelsborough), who married an Elizabeth Anstey (b26/12/1770 Houghton Regis)...this looks like a likely place for a connection that I would lime to pursue, as William could have adopted his real father's surname as his middle name (allowing for spelling!), has anyone got any connection to the ANSTEY family at this time?..or any ideas for places I can look (aside from wills & bastardy bonds which we've already looked at)? Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Folks I have a relative called William Anstee GINGER (b1803 in Northall, which I think was historically Bucks). William's family appear to be connected to the Ginger's of Edelsborough, made more difficult by the fact that William was illegitimate - but after over 2 years of searching I can't find his father, or any reference to likely candidates. What I have found is that Willam's mother (Elizabeth Ginger b. c1775, Abbots Langley) had a brother called Edward Ginger (b. 6/4/1776 Edelsborough), who married an Elizabeth Anstey (b26/12/1770 Houghton Regis)...this looks like a likely place for a connection that I would lime to pursue, as William could have adopted his real father's surname as his middle name (allowing for spelling!), has anyone got any connection to the ANSTEY family at this time?..or any ideas for places I can look (aside from wills & bastardy bonds which we've already looked at)? Thanks

Many thanks Valerie Regards Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: "H & V Edwards" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Stondon, p/o Hunsdon? > > Dear Thelma, > > It is definately Standon. At one time it was known as Stondon. Just as > Hertford was at one time written Hartford, and Therfield - Therefeld etc. > > Valerie Edwards, > Vancouver Island, Canada, formerly from Stevenage. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thelma Wigley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:05 PM > Subject: [HRT] Stondon, p/o Hunsdon? > > >>I have details of a marriage (from the Allen Index) in 1671 where both >>bride and groom are said to be "of Stondon" although the marriage took >>place in Hunsdon. >> >> The only Stondons I can find are Stondon Massey in Essex and Upper/Lower >> Stondon north of Hitchin. Does anyone know whether there was another, >> which has perhaps now been absorbed by Hunsdon? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1525 - Release Date: 29/06/2008 > 15:09 > >