Cassy, This family seems to have suffered badly from mistranscription. Did it say what the father's occupation was on Harriet's marriage certificate? Did it indicate that he was still alive? Do you know which of the Warner daughters was her mother? I don't think you can assume that Thomas Brindell married Mary about 1846. They could have been married well before this, after George's birth or not at all. FreeBMD has a death of a Thomas Brindell in 1855. You would need to order the certificate to find out if it is the right one. There is then a marriage of a Mary Brindell in 1864 but this time it's not a case of mis-transcription the entry is too difficult to read to confirm a place and other details. This might explain, though, why there are no other census entries for Thomas. In the mean time have you got this one of Harriet? In 1861 she's a servant at the Green Dragon in the Colney area of St. Albans - I think thepub is still there Harriet S Warner Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: St Peter, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: St Alban St Peter Ecclesiastical parish: Colney County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Good hunting, Ro --- cassy <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All > Can anyone help with this please , has I am tring to have another go > at it > My gr gr grandmother Harriet Warner was brought up by her > grandparents > Edward and Mary Warner , has her parents never married but on > Harriets > wedding cert > to Thomas Franklin in 1864 she put down her father was Thomas Brindle > Have never been able to find out anything at all about this man > Below is a person who might be my Thomas Brindle but not sure , but > I > could never find > him on another census > Can anyone help please > Cassy > Assistant Admin Black Country > Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists > > > I . On the Index it has it listed as Brandell but when I looked at > the > census it is definatle Brindell . > Also he has a son living with him who was born in 1847 so this > suggest he > did not marry till about 1846 > > 1851 Civil parish: Harpenden County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: > England > Source information: HO107/1713 Registration district: St Albans > Sub-registration district: Harpenden ED, institution, or vessel: 2a > Folio: > 77 Page: 19 > > Thomas Brindell / HD/ 29/ Straw Hat Bleacher / Beds Luton > Mary / Wife / Plaiter / Herts Harpendon > George / Son / 4/ Herts Harpendon > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All Can anyone help with this please , has I am tring to have another go at it My gr gr grandmother Harriet Warner was brought up by her grandparents Edward and Mary Warner , has her parents never married but on Harriets wedding cert to Thomas Franklin in 1864 she put down her father was Thomas Brindle Have never been able to find out anything at all about this man Below is a person who might be my Thomas Brindle but not sure , but I could never find him on another census Can anyone help please Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists I . On the Index it has it listed as Brandell but when I looked at the census it is definatle Brindell . Also he has a son living with him who was born in 1847 so this suggest he did not marry till about 1846 1851 Civil parish: Harpenden County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Source information: HO107/1713 Registration district: St Albans Sub-registration district: Harpenden ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Folio: 77 Page: 19 Thomas Brindell / HD/ 29/ Straw Hat Bleacher / Beds Luton Mary / Wife / Plaiter / Herts Harpendon George / Son / 4/ Herts Harpendon

Hi, i live in Malta and wonder if anyone can help ? I have 2 ancestors JAMES HORN died 1889 and ANN HORN his wife died 1896 at TRING. The family seem to have been non conformists but i can not find were they are buried. No record of them at Tring church or cemetery any ideas would please be so very kind. Thank you. Keith in Malta.

Cindy, I've just had a look at my 1793 map of Hertfordshire ( J Carey ) and there is definitely somewhere called SLOWMANS near Watling Street south of St Albans - the other side of the railway from Frogmore Unfortunately the map is in a frame, so I can\t scan it and send to you. However, it is online at <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~genmaps/genfiles/COU_files/ENG/HRT/cary_hrt_1793.htm > (lots of other old maps of Herts on this site) HTH Anne On 4 Jul 2008, at 08:32, Anne Peat wrote: > > On 4 Jul 2008, at 04:56, H & V Edwards wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> PS. After another comprehensive look at my 1766 Dury and Andrews >> map I have >> found "Slonmans" just about 1 mile west of Colney Street off the >> Watling >> Street Road (south of St. Albans) which appears to be obliterated >> by the M25 >> on a modern Ordnance Survey map. It would not appear to be a >> village just >> perhaps the name of a group of houses. But here I am guessing as >> the map is >> not sophisticated. > > That's exactly where the Slowman's Close is now - off Watling > Street/ Radlett Road, south of St Albans. > > Anne >> >>

Barbara, At the time you are searching, no marriage could take place in a non-conformist church without the local superintendent registrar, or his deputy, being present. All marriages SHOULD therefore be in the GRO Marriage Index. I emphasise "should" because it is known that these indices (on which FreeBMD are based) have many errors and omissions. The Registrar General's certificates are being re-indexed as part of the DOVE project and should be appearing online sometime next year. Unfortunately even these certificates are copies and there is still the possibility that a certificate went missing before arriving at the GRO. (I have three such missing ones, only one of which I have been able to locate at a local registrar's.) It might be worth your while getting in touch with the local registrar of where you think the marriage might have taken place if you can't wait until 2009. There are a large number of Registrar's records now being published, district by district, on UKBMD, which you could try. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ Hope this might help Sandra Regards Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] LOVEJOY > Hi Elizabeth, > > Thanks for information, I think the reason they were in Essex was for > work. I have my grandfathers biorth cert and he was born there. I think > I may have found him but am no sure how to prove it. I'm wondering if > they married in a non-conformist church. > > Barbara >> >> From: "elizabeth howard" <[email protected]> >> Date: 2008/07/03 Thu AM 10:49:06 BST >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [HRT] LOVEJOY >> >> Hi, in the 1871 it does look as if they might only have been married >> for >> a few years , their dau Elizabeth is 2 yrs old and they have Eliza >> Brockwell`s sister Jane living with them ......what is slightly odd is >> that >> they have moved from Kingston Surrey to Sheering in Essex ...... Eliza >> is >> in the 1861 born Kingston , living Kingston with her parents William and >> Hesiah both from Reading Berks . I only wonder now if he was married as >> Alfred James , there is an Eliza Brockwell married in the Mile End >> district >> , in June 1/4 of 1863 but I didn`t find a matching James Lovejoy >> ..........there were 6 James Lovejoys married between 1862 and 1869 but >> none >> with a matching Brockwell as far as I can see !! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:18 PM >> Subject: [HRT] (no subject) >> >> >> >I am trying to locate my G.Grandfathers birth, according to the census >> >returns he says he was born in Hertfordshire. I have searched the BDMs >> >and >> >no trace, his name was James Alfred Lovejoy born somewhere around >> >1838-1840. Another thing is I can not find a marriage for him and his >> >wife >> >Eliza Brockwell, this event would have happened somewhere around 1865 + >> >or - a few years. >> > >> > My hope is that someone might be visiting HALS and might have a quick >> > look >> > at the parish records for a birth date. >> > Or can anyone give me any ideas how to move on. >> > >> > Barbara Spicer >> > >> > ----------------------------------------- >> > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email >> > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1529 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 >> 7:23 PM >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 > http://www.iolo.com > _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 http://www.iolo.com

Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for information, I think the reason they were in Essex was for work. I have my grandfathers biorth cert and he was born there. I think I may have found him but am no sure how to prove it. I'm wondering if they married in a non-conformist church. Barbara > > From: "elizabeth howard" <[email protected]> > Date: 2008/07/03 Thu AM 10:49:06 BST > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [HRT] LOVEJOY > > Hi, in the 1871 it does look as if they might only have been married for > a few years , their dau Elizabeth is 2 yrs old and they have Eliza > Brockwell`s sister Jane living with them ......what is slightly odd is that > they have moved from Kingston Surrey to Sheering in Essex ...... Eliza is > in the 1861 born Kingston , living Kingston with her parents William and > Hesiah both from Reading Berks . I only wonder now if he was married as > Alfred James , there is an Eliza Brockwell married in the Mile End district > , in June 1/4 of 1863 but I didn`t find a matching James Lovejoy > ..........there were 6 James Lovejoys married between 1862 and 1869 but none > with a matching Brockwell as far as I can see !! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:18 PM > Subject: [HRT] (no subject) > > > >I am trying to locate my G.Grandfathers birth, according to the census > >returns he says he was born in Hertfordshire. I have searched the BDMs and > >no trace, his name was James Alfred Lovejoy born somewhere around > >1838-1840. Another thing is I can not find a marriage for him and his wife > >Eliza Brockwell, this event would have happened somewhere around 1865 + > >or - a few years. > > > > My hope is that someone might be visiting HALS and might have a quick look > > at the parish records for a birth date. > > Or can anyone give me any ideas how to move on. > > > > Barbara Spicer > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1529 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 > 7:23 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

Dear Dean, THANK YOU. Your so kind. Keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Evans" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] census look up please 1861 > They are still there. I'll forward you a copy of the census. Dean > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:47 PM, keith hammond <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> i have this family on the 1851 census can you please help me >> find them on the 1861. THANK YOU. >> >> Duckmore Lane, Tring >> William HORNE, H, 27, ag labr, Drayton, Bucks >> Mary, wife, 26, Drayton >> John, son, 1, Tring >> Thomas, father, W, 64, deaf, ag labr, Weston Turville, Bucks >> Benjamin, brother, unm, 22, silk throwster, Drayton >> Charles, brother, unm, 20, silk throwster, Drayton >> David, brother, unm, 18, silk throwster, Drayton >> Elizabeth TRASH, lodger, W, 20, straw plaiter, Tring >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Keith in Malta. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 > 19:19 > > >

Dear elizabeth, THANK YOU. Your so kind. Keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [HRT] census look up please 1861 > Hi, they are in Tring in the 1861 census , Duckmire Lane , William > Horne, > head, marr , 38, wood sawyer, b Drayton, Mary wife marr, 28, b Drayton, > John > , 11, silk throwster, b Tring , James, 8 , ditto , Ellen dau 6 straw > plaiter > , b Tring , George 5....... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keith hammond" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:47 PM > Subject: [HRT] census look up please 1861 > > >> Hi, >> i have this family on the 1851 census can you please help me >> find them on the 1861. THANK YOU. >> >> Duckmore Lane, Tring >> William HORNE, H, 27, ag labr, Drayton, Bucks >> Mary, wife, 26, Drayton >> John, son, 1, Tring >> Thomas, father, W, 64, deaf, ag labr, Weston Turville, Bucks >> Benjamin, brother, unm, 22, silk throwster, Drayton >> Charles, brother, unm, 20, silk throwster, Drayton >> David, brother, unm, 18, silk throwster, Drayton >> Elizabeth TRASH, lodger, W, 20, straw plaiter, Tring >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Keith in Malta. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 >> 7:19 PM >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 > 19:19 > > >

Dear Sandra, THANK YOU. Your so kind. Keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] census look up please 1861 > Still in Duckmore Lane, Tring > William Horne, Head, 38 Wood Sawyer, Drayton, BKM > Mary Wife 38 Drayton, BKM > John Son 11 Silk Throwster Tring > James Son 8 Silk Throwster Tring > Ellen Dau 6 Straw Plaiter Tring > George Son 5 Tring > > HTH > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keith hammond" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:47 PM > Subject: [HRT] census look up please 1861 > > >> Hi, >> i have this family on the 1851 census can you please help me >> find them on the 1861. THANK YOU. >> >> Duckmore Lane, Tring >> William HORNE, H, 27, ag labr, Drayton, Bucks >> Mary, wife, 26, Drayton >> John, son, 1, Tring >> Thomas, father, W, 64, deaf, ag labr, Weston Turville, Bucks >> Benjamin, brother, unm, 22, silk throwster, Drayton >> Charles, brother, unm, 20, silk throwster, Drayton >> David, brother, unm, 18, silk throwster, Drayton >> Elizabeth TRASH, lodger, W, 20, straw plaiter, Tring >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Keith in Malta. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _______________________________________ >> No viruses found in this incoming message >> Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 >> http://www.iolo.com >> > > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this outgoing message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 > http://www.iolo.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 > 19:19 > > >

Hi, i have this family on the 1851 census can you please help me find them on the 1861. THANK YOU. Duckmore Lane, Tring William HORNE, H, 27, ag labr, Drayton, Bucks Mary, wife, 26, Drayton John, son, 1, Tring Thomas, father, W, 64, deaf, ag labr, Weston Turville, Bucks Benjamin, brother, unm, 22, silk throwster, Drayton Charles, brother, unm, 20, silk throwster, Drayton David, brother, unm, 18, silk throwster, Drayton Elizabeth TRASH, lodger, W, 20, straw plaiter, Tring Thanks. Keith in Malta.

They are still there. I'll forward you a copy of the census. Dean On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:47 PM, keith hammond <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > i have this family on the 1851 census can you please help me > find them on the 1861. THANK YOU. > > Duckmore Lane, Tring > William HORNE, H, 27, ag labr, Drayton, Bucks > Mary, wife, 26, Drayton > John, son, 1, Tring > Thomas, father, W, 64, deaf, ag labr, Weston Turville, Bucks > Benjamin, brother, unm, 22, silk throwster, Drayton > Charles, brother, unm, 20, silk throwster, Drayton > David, brother, unm, 18, silk throwster, Drayton > Elizabeth TRASH, lodger, W, 20, straw plaiter, Tring > > > > Thanks. > > Keith in Malta. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, they are in Tring in the 1861 census , Duckmire Lane , William Horne, head, marr , 38, wood sawyer, b Drayton, Mary wife marr, 28, b Drayton, John , 11, silk throwster, b Tring , James, 8 , ditto , Ellen dau 6 straw plaiter , b Tring , George 5....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith hammond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: [HRT] census look up please 1861 > Hi, > i have this family on the 1851 census can you please help me > find them on the 1861. THANK YOU. > > Duckmore Lane, Tring > William HORNE, H, 27, ag labr, Drayton, Bucks > Mary, wife, 26, Drayton > John, son, 1, Tring > Thomas, father, W, 64, deaf, ag labr, Weston Turville, Bucks > Benjamin, brother, unm, 22, silk throwster, Drayton > Charles, brother, unm, 20, silk throwster, Drayton > David, brother, unm, 18, silk throwster, Drayton > Elizabeth TRASH, lodger, W, 20, straw plaiter, Tring > > > > Thanks. > > Keith in Malta. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 > 7:19 PM > > >

Still in Duckmore Lane, Tring William Horne, Head, 38 Wood Sawyer, Drayton, BKM Mary Wife 38 Drayton, BKM John Son 11 Silk Throwster Tring James Son 8 Silk Throwster Tring Ellen Dau 6 Straw Plaiter Tring George Son 5 Tring HTH Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith hammond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: [HRT] census look up please 1861 > Hi, > i have this family on the 1851 census can you please help me > find them on the 1861. THANK YOU. > > Duckmore Lane, Tring > William HORNE, H, 27, ag labr, Drayton, Bucks > Mary, wife, 26, Drayton > John, son, 1, Tring > Thomas, father, W, 64, deaf, ag labr, Weston Turville, Bucks > Benjamin, brother, unm, 22, silk throwster, Drayton > Charles, brother, unm, 20, silk throwster, Drayton > David, brother, unm, 18, silk throwster, Drayton > Elizabeth TRASH, lodger, W, 20, straw plaiter, Tring > > > > Thanks. > > Keith in Malta. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 > http://www.iolo.com > _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 http://www.iolo.com

Dear Valerie and Anne, I just want to say thanks for such in depth searching. I pretty much just had an unidentifed placename and both of you have allowed me to start searching parish records. I haven't got the image yet from Peetee but I thank them too for joining in to help me. Have a Wonderful day! Cindy --- On Fri, 7/4/08, H & V Edwards <[email protected]> wrote: From: H & V Edwards <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HRT] Slowman and Sarah BRETT To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 12:09 PM Dear "Peetee" Thanks for the 1851 census image of the Tomlins. I now think Cindy is looking for Slowman/Slonmans near Radlett & St. Albans and not Standon area, and she should look at the Parish Records thant cover that area for a baptism. Have you sent her this image? She is actually the descendant of Sarah Brett. Valerie, Canada. ---- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Slowman and Sarah BRETT > > Hi, > Does this help? See attached ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear "Peetee" Thanks for the 1851 census image of the Tomlins. I now think Cindy is looking for Slowman/Slonmans near Radlett & St. Albans and not Standon area, and she should look at the Parish Records thant cover that area for a baptism. Have you sent her this image? She is actually the descendant of Sarah Brett. Valerie, Canada. ---- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Slowman and Sarah BRETT > > Hi, > Does this help? See attached

On 4 Jul 2008, at 04:56, H & V Edwards wrote: > > > > > PS. After another comprehensive look at my 1766 Dury and Andrews map > I have > found "Slonmans" just about 1 mile west of Colney Street off the > Watling > Street Road (south of St. Albans) which appears to be obliterated by > the M25 > on a modern Ordnance Survey map. It would not appear to be a > village just > perhaps the name of a group of houses. But here I am guessing as the > map is > not sophisticated. That's exactly where the Slowman's Close is now - off Watling Street/ Radlett Road, south of St Albans. Anne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Peat" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: [HRT] Slowman and Sarah BRETT > > >> Dear Cindy and Valerie - I have also spent some time looking for >> Slowman and for Sarah Brett/Tomlin . On the 1851 census Ancestry has >> her transcribed as coming from Stamen Herts.( It could read Slamen - >> but that doesn't help much! In the 1861 census she says she comes >> from >> Hitchin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello, I am trying to find members of the Jessop (possibly JESSUP) family in the St Albans area on behalf of Victor Raymond Jesso(u)p. Victor was born in the 1930s in the Maida Vale area of London. Thank you, Pippa Edwards, Brighton.

Hi Dean It's not always the databases! You may find instances of the following: 1. The wife spells names differently from the husband 2. The name varies from County to County, if the family moved 3. The Vicar "hears" something different from the Census Enumerator 4. Then Miss Transcription joins in..for her share of the fun!! 5. And then the family uses nicknames because there are too many Johns, Williams, Georges, Mary Anns and Sarahs in the village... so you get Jacks, Willies, Pollys and Sallys... Who needs Sudoko, just try Family History! ;-) Best of British! Marlene Dean Evans wrote: > Thanks Marlene, you have given me a breakthrough. I have been using > Ancestry, which uses FreeBDM data but didn't pick up the Sommerviles with > only one "m". Most of these data bases are a bit hit or miss. I was > searching through a copy of the Times this morning for a reference that > Ancestry said was there but it took several goes to actually find it. > Dean > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> Hi Dean >> I believe you need to write to HALs to ascertain where the Electoral >> Rolls for the area of interest are held, within the time frame you >> specify. There is a charge for searching. >> I found a date for a marriage (say 1915) and assumed there might have >> been a child born born within 2 years, and looked for Electoral Roll >> info circa 1935-1939 for example. It's hit and miss because Elections >> weren't held during the war but I am resarching my family forward after >> great grandparents emigrated in 1878 so like you I have no idea of any >> children's names! >> Desperation is the mother of invention and I try anything! >> >> You might find a helpful Local Registry or the GRO from which you could >> purchase the only current entry on the Free BMD (I don't have Ancestry >> sorry ) which shows a Somerville father with an Edwards mother which is >> as follows: >> JANET M SOMERVILLE birth registered Mar Q 1923 Hammersmith 1a/364, >> stating that her parents must be James William SOMERVILLE & VIVIEN >> PASSMORE EDWARDS. If this is correct you could then track a marriage >> perhaps for Janet M. or you might find her on the Electoral Rolls. >> Good luck >> Marlene >> >> Dean Evans wrote: >> >>> No I haven't, Marlene. How would I do that? It would confirm addresses >>> but,presumably, it wouldn't mention any offspring until they were 21 and >>> probably flown the nest. >>> Dean >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Dean >>>> Have you tried looking for Electoral Roll information, since you have >>>> addresses? >>>> Marlene >>>> New Zealand >>>> >>>> Dean Evans wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jan, I am so sorry to have put you to such bother. The facts that you >>>>> >>>>> >>>> quote >>>> >>>> >>>>> are right, so well done, but I am trying to find more recent news of >>>>> >> the >> >>>>> SOMMERVILLE family. Vivien and her husband are listed in the phone book >>>>> >>>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ancestry as living at Radlett, in Herts, up to 1957 so I am hoping >>>>> >> there >> >>>> is >>>> >>>> >>>>> someone on "Rootsweb" that can help trace their descendants, if they >>>>> >> have >> >>>>> any.Dean >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Jan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Dean, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have spent over an hour searching Ancestry in several countries and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only records I found from the 1920 marriages were the following. >>>>>> William J Sommerville married Vivien Edwards in AMJ of 1920 in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Marylebone, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> LONDON. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ancestry has a tree with a Vivien listed as being born in 1897 >>>>>> >> (London). >> >>>>>> She has two brothers, Henry C Edwards and John W Edwards. Their >>>>>> >> parents >> >>>> are >>>> >>>> >>>>>> John Passmore Edwards (1823-1911) and Eleanor Humphries. John P >>>>>> >> Edwards >> >>>>>> 1823 was born in Blackwater, Cornwall and died in Hampstead, London. >>>>>> >>>>>> Although the names are very similar, the places do not match with what >>>>>> you've given. Sorry, I tried. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Dean Evans <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Dean Evans <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: [HRT] SOMMERVILLE >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:37 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> Newbie to your list. >>>>>> I am researching the life and history of John PASSMORE EDWARDS, the >>>>>> Victorian philanthropist. ( www.passmoreedwards.org.uk ) His >>>>>> granddaughter, >>>>>> Vivien Passmore Edwards, married James William SOMMERVILLE, in 1920, >>>>>> >> and >> >>>>>> for >>>>>> some time, at least until 1955, they lived at "Bracondale, The >>>>>> >> Avenue, >> >>>>>> Radlett, Herts". I would very much like to trace any living relatives >>>>>> >> of >> >>>>>> this couple or any other information about them.I hope someone can >>>>>> >> help >> >>>> me. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Dean Evans >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> without >>>> >>>> >>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> >>>>> >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> >> without >> >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> >> without >> >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear Cindy & Anne, Revising my search to look for a Sarah Tomlin, (whoops, I didn't read Cindy's e-mail properly!), I find Sarah Brett married James Tomlin in 1815 in both Hitchin and Great Gaddesdon! (according to the IGI Family Search .org - however, the latter would appear to be from LDS members rather than from parish records, so is rather suspect!). My Herts FHS 1851 census disc gives Sarah Tomlin as being born in Standon? (Transcriber's question mark not mine!). I must say I wondered prior to seeing this if it might have been Standon, as the Brett name crops up in this parish, as well as Brent Pelham and Furneaux Pelham. Standon was sometimes known as Stondon (slurring any of these places doesn't conclusively sound like Slamen or Slowman though! Does the marriage entry in the parish registers just say "of this parish" for the bride? Valerie, Canada. PS. After another comprehensive look at my 1766 Dury and Andrews map I have found "Slonmans" just about 1 mile west of Colney Street off the Watling Street Road (south of St. Albans) which appears to be obliterated by the M25 on a modern Ordnance Survey map. It would not appear to be a village just perhaps the name of a group of houses. But here I am guessing as the map is not sophisticated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [HRT] Slowman and Sarah BRETT > Dear Cindy and Valerie - I have also spent some time looking for > Slowman and for Sarah Brett/Tomlin . On the 1851 census Ancestry has > her transcribed as coming from Stamen Herts.( It could read Slamen - > but that doesn't help much! In the 1861 census she says she comes from > Hitchin.

Dear Cindy and Valerie - I have also spent some time looking for Slowman and for Sarah Brett/Tomlin . On the 1851 census Ancestry has her transcribed as coming from Stamen Herts.( It could read Slamen - but that doesn't help much! In the 1861 census she says she comes from Hitchin. The only Slowman I could find mention of anywhere was a farm south of St Albans - there were some deeds in HALS and there is now a Slowmans Close - I presume where the farm once stood. Anne On 3 Jul 2008, at 17:17, H & V Edwards wrote: > > Dear Cindy, > > As I have never heard of "Slowman" and can find nothing close to it > on my > 1766 map for the Hitchin locality, I looked at the Herts FHS 1851 > census > disc, this lists 8 Sarah Bretts, none of whom list a birthplace as > "Slowman". Of course, I am assuming your ancestor is living in > Hertfordshire in 1851. Can you give me some more details, so that I > can see > if an entry on the 1851 Herts census gives a better clue? > > Valerie Edwards, Vancouver Island, Canada. (Formerly of Stevenage, > only a > few miles from Hitchin). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia Mac Suibhne" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:50 PM > Subject: [HRT] Slowman and Sarah BRETT > > >> A Big Hello to Everyone, >> I'm sure someone can answer this question for me. My ggggrandmother >> Sarah >> BRETT listed her birthplace on the 1851 Herts census as Slowman. She >> married her husband James TOMLIN at St. Mary's in Hitchin. Could >> someone >> tell me how far Slowman is from Hitchin. I once located Slowman on >> an old >> map but I can't find that same map. It must have been a very small >> town >> Thanks, >> Cindy >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message