Hi everyone I'm at the very start of tracing a side of my wife's side of the family. To start with I need to obtain the birth cert of Clara Elizabeth Connolly. IO know that she was born between 1911 and 1913 lived in the Letchworth area as a child and later married and lived in Blackpool. On her marriage cert it shows her father was a William John Connolly (a rubber worker). someone in the family believes that there is a connection with a place called The Round House in Letchworth But thats all i've got. I've looked up the free bmd side to no avail. Has anyone any suggestions. Mark __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

Thanks Diane. Well the estate I had in mind would have gone intestate back in 1912. I've not yet been able to find a copy of the Wills involved (Two brothers owned a large farm, both died within a month of each other). I know where the two brothers are buried, but I'm not sure where to go from there! T Diane wrote: > Tony - its 12 years from date of death.... but the treasury have discretion to allow late claims.... the links Diana gave make interesting reading.... > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:31:25 +0100> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]> Subject: Re: [HRT] Heir Hunters> > Hadn't heard of it, but thankfully it is on the BBC iPlayer > (www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer)> > Interesting about the ability to claim from the treasury, presumably > there's a time limit involved? I'm sure I could quite easily find a few > estates in my tree that went intestate!> > Tony> > [email protected] wrote:> > Hi to all the above Rootsweb mailing listers who live in England,> > > > Have you been watching the programme 'Heirhunters' which is being shown > > presently at 9.15 every morning on BBC1? I've only just discovered it this week > > and I love it! It shows a team of genealogists searching for relatives of > > someone who has died without making a will and h! av! > ing no known family. They > > look up the censuses to make up family trees, and births,deaths and marriages > > to determine who make up the family and if they are still living could be > > entitled to a share of any estate. Apparently if a person dies intestate then > > the money goes to the Treasury. The company acquires a list (I wonder from > > where? Anyone know?) of people who have died intestate and they race against > > the clock to find possible heirs before rival companies find them. No doubt > > the company gets a large commission from any inheritance that is proved by > > them and finally paid out to the heirs!> > > > There are some sad cases on there e.g. a person who for some reason left > > home at 17 never to be heard of again by the family who dies years later alone > > with no family around him and no one to leave his money to. The family only > > get to hear of his death via the company Fraser and Fraser who then inform > > them that they are entitled t! o ! > the inheritance - less commission of course! How > > much the company > gets I don't know but some possible heirs choose to not > > sign a contract and make their own application to the state for the money. > > Also, a couple who was cared for in their later years by a nephew who thought he > > would be left some of their money. In fact they said they wanted him to have > > their money as a thank you for his help and care. But unfortunately now > > will was made, they became infirm, the aunt died leaving her husband (who wasn't > > a blood relative to the nephew) who died a while afterwards from > > Alzheimer's. Fraser and Fraser find an heir who is so remotely connected (but by blood) > > to the deceased that they never even knew the person existed, but was > > thrilled to learn that they inherited everything. The poor nephew who did all the > > work though received nothing.> > > > > > This is the website for the programme and the company that is featured in > > the programme - _http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm_ > > (htt! p:! > //www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm) Loads of interesting > > information on there that we should all be aware of! > > > > Regards> > > > Diana> >> >> >> > > > > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > Find the best and worst places on the planet > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719807/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Diana, Just to correct you on one point... If one dies intestate, your money doesn't always go to the UK goverment. The cases that are featured are ones where the deceased has died intestate AND there are no known heirs. The majority of the estates go to known heirs - ie spouses and children - although there are strict rules on how the money is divided. I've watched both series and think that all new genealogists should watch it to see how to construct a family tree, together with the necessary proof. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Heir Hunters > Hi to all the above Rootsweb mailing listers who live in England, > > Have you been watching the programme 'Heirhunters' which is being shown > presently at 9.15 every morning on BBC1? I've only just discovered it > this week > and I love it! It shows a team of genealogists searching for relatives > of > someone who has died without making a will and having no known family. > They > look up the censuses to make up family trees, and births,deaths and > marriages > to determine who make up the family and if they are still living could be > entitled to a share of any estate. Apparently if a person dies intestate > then > the money goes to the Treasury. The company acquires a list (I wonder > from > where? Anyone know?) of people who have died intestate and they race > against > the clock to find possible heirs before rival companies find them. No > doubt > the company gets a large commission from any inheritance that is proved > by > them and finally paid out to the heirs! > > There are some sad cases on there e.g. a person who for some reason left > home at 17 never to be heard of again by the family who dies years later > alone > with no family around him and no one to leave his money to. The family > only > get to hear of his death via the company Fraser and Fraser who then > inform > them that they are entitled to the inheritance - less commission of > course! How > much the company gets I don't know but some possible heirs choose to not > sign a contract and make their own application to the state for the > money. > Also, a couple who was cared for in their later years by a nephew who > thought he > would be left some of their money. In fact they said they wanted him to > have > their money as a thank you for his help and care. But unfortunately now > will was made, they became infirm, the aunt died leaving her husband (who > wasn't > a blood relative to the nephew) who died a while afterwards from > Alzheimer's. Fraser and Fraser find an heir who is so remotely connected > (but by blood) > to the deceased that they never even knew the person existed, but was > thrilled to learn that they inherited everything. The poor nephew who > did all the > work though received nothing. > > > This is the website for the programme and the company that is featured in > the programme - _http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm_ > (http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm) Loads of > interesting > information on there that we should all be aware of! > > Regards > > Diana > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 > http://www.iolo.com > _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 http://www.iolo.com

Hadn't heard of it, but thankfully it is on the BBC iPlayer (www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer) Interesting about the ability to claim from the treasury, presumably there's a time limit involved? I'm sure I could quite easily find a few estates in my tree that went intestate! Tony [email protected] wrote: > Hi to all the above Rootsweb mailing listers who live in England, > > Have you been watching the programme 'Heirhunters' which is being shown > presently at 9.15 every morning on BBC1? I've only just discovered it this week > and I love it! It shows a team of genealogists searching for relatives of > someone who has died without making a will and having no known family. They > look up the censuses to make up family trees, and births,deaths and marriages > to determine who make up the family and if they are still living could be > entitled to a share of any estate. Apparently if a person dies intestate then > the money goes to the Treasury. The company acquires a list (I wonder from > where? Anyone know?) of people who have died intestate and they race against > the clock to find possible heirs before rival companies find them. No doubt > the company gets a large commission from any inheritance that is proved by > them and finally paid out to the heirs! > > There are some sad cases on there e.g. a person who for some reason left > home at 17 never to be heard of again by the family who dies years later alone > with no family around him and no one to leave his money to. The family only > get to hear of his death via the company Fraser and Fraser who then inform > them that they are entitled to the inheritance - less commission of course! How > much the company gets I don't know but some possible heirs choose to not > sign a contract and make their own application to the state for the money. > Also, a couple who was cared for in their later years by a nephew who thought he > would be left some of their money. In fact they said they wanted him to have > their money as a thank you for his help and care. But unfortunately now > will was made, they became infirm, the aunt died leaving her husband (who wasn't > a blood relative to the nephew) who died a while afterwards from > Alzheimer's. Fraser and Fraser find an heir who is so remotely connected (but by blood) > to the deceased that they never even knew the person existed, but was > thrilled to learn that they inherited everything. The poor nephew who did all the > work though received nothing. > > > This is the website for the programme and the company that is featured in > the programme - _http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm_ > (http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm) Loads of interesting > information on there that we should all be aware of! > > Regards > > Diana > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi,i have also watched this program ,new and old ,but you are wrong with regards to the nephew reciving nothing ,at the end of the program the people who did recive the money gave some to the nephew (by marriage ) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Heir Hunters > Hi to all the above Rootsweb mailing listers who live in England, > > Have you been watching the programme 'Heirhunters' which is being shown > presently at 9.15 every morning on BBC1? I've only just discovered it > this week > and I love it! It shows a team of genealogists searching for relatives > of > someone who has died without making a will and having no known family. > They > look up the censuses to make up family trees, and births,deaths and > marriages > to determine who make up the family and if they are still living could be > entitled to a share of any estate. Apparently if a person dies intestate > then > the money goes to the Treasury. The company acquires a list (I wonder > from > where? Anyone know?) of people who have died intestate and they race > against > the clock to find possible heirs before rival companies find them. No > doubt > the company gets a large commission from any inheritance that is proved > by > them and finally paid out to the heirs! > > There are some sad cases on there e.g. a person who for some reason left > home at 17 never to be heard of again by the family who dies years later > alone > with no family around him and no one to leave his money to. The family > only > get to hear of his death via the company Fraser and Fraser who then > inform > them that they are entitled to the inheritance - less commission of > course! How > much the company gets I don't know but some possible heirs choose to not > sign a contract and make their own application to the state for the > money. > Also, a couple who was cared for in their later years by a nephew who > thought he > would be left some of their money. In fact they said they wanted him to > have > their money as a thank you for his help and care. But unfortunately now > will was made, they became infirm, the aunt died leaving her husband (who > wasn't > a blood relative to the nephew) who died a while afterwards from > Alzheimer's. Fraser and Fraser find an heir who is so remotely connected > (but by blood) > to the deceased that they never even knew the person existed, but was > thrilled to learn that they inherited everything. The poor nephew who > did all the > work though received nothing. > > > This is the website for the programme and the company that is featured in > the programme - _http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm_ > (http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm) Loads of > interesting > information on there that we should all be aware of! > > Regards > > Diana > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I can't imagine that the estate wouldn't have been correctly administered.... but if you are drawing a blank on their wills, how about looking through land registry for who acquired the farm(s)? Or the current owners may know the history and know who purchases/inherited it. > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:52:05 +0100> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [HRT] Heir Hunters> > Thanks Diane.> > Well the estate I had in mind would have gone intestate back in 1912. > I've not yet been able to find a copy of the Wills involved (Two > brothers owned a large farm, both died within a month of each other).> > I know where the two brothers are buried, but I'm not sure where to go > from there!> > T> > Diane wrote:> > Tony - its 12 years from date of death.... but the treasury have discretion to allow late claims.... the links Diana gave make interesting reading.... > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:31:25 +0100> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]> Subject: Re: [HRT] Heir Hunters> > Hadn't heard of it, but thankfully it is on the BBC iPlayer > (www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer)> > Interesting about the ability to claim from the treasury, presumably > there's a time limit involved? I'm sure I could quite easily find a few > estates in my tree that went intestate!> > Tony> > [email protected] wrote:> > Hi to all the above Rootsweb mailing listers who live in England,> > > > Have you been watching the programme 'Heirhunters' which is being shown > > presently at 9.15 every morning on BBC1? I've only just discovered it this week > > and I love it! It shows a team of genealogists searching for relatives of > > someone who has died without making a will and h!> av!> > ing no known family. They > > look up the censuses to make up family trees, and births,deaths and marriages > > to determine who make up the family and if they are still living could be > > entitled to a share of any estate. Apparently if a person dies intestate then > > the money goes to the Treasury. The company acquires a list (I wonder from > > where? Anyone know?) of people who have died intestate and they race against > > the clock to find possible heirs before rival companies find them. No doubt > > the company gets a large commission from any inheritance that is proved by > > them and finally paid out to the heirs!> > > > There are some sad cases on there e.g. a person who for some reason left > > home at 17 never to be heard of again by the family who dies years later alone > > with no family around him and no one to leave his money to. The family only > > get to hear of his death via the company Fraser and Fraser who then inform > > them that they are entitled t!> o !> > the inheritance - less commission of course! How > > much the company > > gets I don't know but some possible heirs choose to not > > sign a contract and make their own application to the state for the money. > > Also, a couple who was cared for in their later years by a nephew who thought he > > would be left some of their money. In fact they said they wanted him to have > > their money as a thank you for his help and care. But unfortunately now > > will was made, they became infirm, the aunt died leaving her husband (who wasn't > > a blood relative to the nephew) who died a while afterwards from > > Alzheimer's. Fraser and Fraser find an heir who is so remotely connected (but by blood) > > to the deceased that they never even knew the person existed, but was > > thrilled to learn that they inherited everything. The poor nephew who did all the > > work though received nothing.> > > > > > This is the website for the programme and the company that is featured in > > the programme - _http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm_ > > (htt!> p:!> > //www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm) Loads of interesting > > information on there that we should all be aware of! > > > > Regards> > > > Diana> >> >> >> > > > > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > _________________________________________________________________> > Find the best and worst places on the planet> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719807/direct/01/> > > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Play and win great prizes with Live Search and Kung Fu Panda http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719966/direct/01/

Tony - its 12 years from date of death.... but the treasury have discretion to allow late claims.... the links Diana gave make interesting reading.... > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:31:25 +0100> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]> Subject: Re: [HRT] Heir Hunters> > Hadn't heard of it, but thankfully it is on the BBC iPlayer > (www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer)> > Interesting about the ability to claim from the treasury, presumably > there's a time limit involved? I'm sure I could quite easily find a few > estates in my tree that went intestate!> > Tony> > [email protected] wrote:> > Hi to all the above Rootsweb mailing listers who live in England,> > > > Have you been watching the programme 'Heirhunters' which is being shown > > presently at 9.15 every morning on BBC1? I've only just discovered it this week > > and I love it! It shows a team of genealogists searching for relatives of > > someone who has died without making a will and having no known family. They > > look up the censuses to make up family trees, and births,deaths and marriages > > to determine who make up the family and if they are still living could be > > entitled to a share of any estate. Apparently if a person dies intestate then > > the money goes to the Treasury. The company acquires a list (I wonder from > > where? Anyone know?) of people who have died intestate and they race against > > the clock to find possible heirs before rival companies find them. No doubt > > the company gets a large commission from any inheritance that is proved by > > them and finally paid out to the heirs!> > > > There are some sad cases on there e.g. a person who for some reason left > > home at 17 never to be heard of again by the family who dies years later alone > > with no family around him and no one to leave his money to. The family only > > get to hear of his death via the company Fraser and Fraser who then inform > > them that they are entitled to the inheritance - less commission of course! How > > much the company gets I don't know but some possible heirs choose to not > > sign a contract and make their own application to the state for the money. > > Also, a couple who was cared for in their later years by a nephew who thought he > > would be left some of their money. In fact they said they wanted him to have > > their money as a thank you for his help and care. But unfortunately now > > will was made, they became infirm, the aunt died leaving her husband (who wasn't > > a blood relative to the nephew) who died a while afterwards from > > Alzheimer's. Fraser and Fraser find an heir who is so remotely connected (but by blood) > > to the deceased that they never even knew the person existed, but was > > thrilled to learn that they inherited everything. The poor nephew who did all the > > work though received nothing.> > > > > > This is the website for the programme and the company that is featured in > > the programme - _http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm_ > > (http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm) Loads of interesting > > information on there that we should all be aware of! > > > > Regards> > > > Diana> >> >> >> > > > > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Find the best and worst places on the planet http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719807/direct/01/

Try the National Archives - they have copies of wills. Although if the brothers died in Hertfordshire I do believe that some wills can be found at the Hertfordshire archives? Diana Thanks Diane. Well the estate I had in mind would have gone intestate back in 1912. I've not yet been able to find a copy of the Wills involved (Two brothers owned a large farm, both died within a month of each other). I know where the two brothers are buried, but I'm not sure where to go from there! T

Hi Sandra, Yes that's what I meant to say - got my words a bit wrong I think. Yes, it is great to see the genealogists at work but how do they get a certificate from a registry office of someone who was born within the last 100 years? One registry office provided a copy within 10 minutes. Does that mean I can go and get anyone's particulars? I didn't think you could do that - fraud etc?? Diana Re: Hi Diana, Just to correct you on one point... If one dies intestate, your money doesn't always go to the UK goverment. The cases that are featured are ones where the deceased has died intestate AND there are no known heirs. The majority of the estates go to known heirs - ie spouses and children - although there are strict rules on how the money is divided. I've watched both series and think that all new genealogists should watch it to see how to construct a family tree, together with the necessary proof. Sandra

Hi Tony, No I don't think there is a time limit. Apparently, according to another lister the list is posted every Thursday on the Bona Vacantia site. I've actually had an email today from an internet contact who has received a letter from the company featured in the programme informing her that she is a beneficiary of the estate. She thinks she is the sole blood relative but didn't know about the programme or the company and asked for my advice. I've only seen the programmes this past week so I could help her with quite a lot of what she wanted to know. The rest is on the web if you google Fraser and Fraser or Heirhunters BBC1 or claiming unclaimed money etc. Happy hunting! Diana Re: Hadn't heard of it, but thankfully it is on the BBC iPlayer (www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer) Interesting about the ability to claim from the treasury, presumably there's a time limit involved? I'm sure I could quite easily find a few estates in my tree that went intestate!

Hi, Well I am glad I was wrong (could have been a different case or I might have missed that bit) and the nephew was given some money by the people who received the money. I was hoping that might be the case as it's not easy caring for someone. Just shows how important making a will is! Diana Re: Hi,i have also watched this program ,new and old ,but you are wrong with regards to the nephew reciving nothing ,at the end of the program the people who did recive the money gave some to the nephew (by marriage )

Hi to all the above Rootsweb mailing listers who live in England, Have you been watching the programme 'Heirhunters' which is being shown presently at 9.15 every morning on BBC1? I've only just discovered it this week and I love it! It shows a team of genealogists searching for relatives of someone who has died without making a will and having no known family. They look up the censuses to make up family trees, and births,deaths and marriages to determine who make up the family and if they are still living could be entitled to a share of any estate. Apparently if a person dies intestate then the money goes to the Treasury. The company acquires a list (I wonder from where? Anyone know?) of people who have died intestate and they race against the clock to find possible heirs before rival companies find them. No doubt the company gets a large commission from any inheritance that is proved by them and finally paid out to the heirs! There are some sad cases on there e.g. a person who for some reason left home at 17 never to be heard of again by the family who dies years later alone with no family around him and no one to leave his money to. The family only get to hear of his death via the company Fraser and Fraser who then inform them that they are entitled to the inheritance - less commission of course! How much the company gets I don't know but some possible heirs choose to not sign a contract and make their own application to the state for the money. Also, a couple who was cared for in their later years by a nephew who thought he would be left some of their money. In fact they said they wanted him to have their money as a thank you for his help and care. But unfortunately now will was made, they became infirm, the aunt died leaving her husband (who wasn't a blood relative to the nephew) who died a while afterwards from Alzheimer's. Fraser and Fraser find an heir who is so remotely connected (but by blood) to the deceased that they never even knew the person existed, but was thrilled to learn that they inherited everything. The poor nephew who did all the work though received nothing. This is the website for the programme and the company that is featured in the programme - _http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm_ (http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm) Loads of interesting information on there that we should all be aware of! Regards Diana

Hi Listers I am new to this list and wonder if anyone out there has an interest in the following family. Thomas HAWKES and Rebecca BATES were married at Berkhamsted 6 Nov 1762, witnesses were Thos. WILKINSON and John BIRO.  Thomas and Rebecca had the following children - Robert b 1763, Rebecca b 1765, Hannah b 1768, Joseph b 1770, Mary 1772 and 1781, Rachel b 1781 d 1864, all born Berkhamsted.  Rachel married Joseph WALLIS at Lewisham, Kent, in 1805. Would appreciate any help in finding out more about this family. Noel in Australia Start at the new Yahoo!7 for a better online experience. www.yahoo7.com.au

On 8 Jul 2008, at 17:57, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi , Nash Mill seems to be part of Hemel Hempstead , so there is a > family of > Budd in Popes Lane HH in the 1841 census but no Mary of course as I > imagine > she would be married , if Budd was her maiden name, by > 1841 ......the family > in 1841 HH is Samuel Budd, 35, gas man, Ann , 30, and William, 12, > Samuel, > 10, Roseanna, 8 , Jane, 5, and Charlotte , 1. > BUT I think your Daniel and Mary Ratcliffe , papermaker , are > in > Milton ,in Kent, at Lowlane ? and the family consists of Daniel > Ratcliffe, > 40, papermaker, Y, Mary, 35, ditto, Y, Elizabeth, 15, ditto, Y, > William , > 12, Sarah 5, Emma 2 and George 8 months . I think this is Love Lane ( according to the enumeration district) > > In the 1851 they are living in Charlton, Kent, at Bridge St, > he is > mis transcribed as David , but its a very badly written Daniel , now > aged > 50, paper maker , born ? Bives ? Kent, wife Mary , 46 born High Wycum, > Bucks, Daniel born River ( as in other censuses) Mary now born High Wycombe ( not too far away from Hemel as the crow flies). > Mary , 23, paper maker , born Milton, Sarah, 16, paper maker, b > ?Gerval? Kent, Probably Ewell, Kent > Emma, 12, b Buckland? Kent, George, 10, b Milton, Ann, 9, > Laura, 7, Jane, 5, Ellena , 4............. > > River, Buckland, and Ewell are all near to Dover. Milton is further away. Anne >> I have a Mary BUDD which says she was born in Nash Mill >> Hertfordshire abt >> 1806 as from the 1871 census. >> I cannot say if the name of BUDD is her maiden name as I cannot >> find her >> marriage to Daniel RATCLIFFE, all I have is the birth cert for one >> of her >> children that tells me her former name was BUDD. >>

Hi , Nash Mill seems to be part of Hemel Hempstead , so there is a family of Budd in Popes Lane HH in the 1841 census but no Mary of course as I imagine she would be married , if Budd was her maiden name, by 1841 ......the family in 1841 HH is Samuel Budd, 35, gas man, Ann , 30, and William, 12, Samuel, 10, Roseanna, 8 , Jane, 5, and Charlotte , 1. BUT I think your Daniel and Mary Ratcliffe , papermaker , are in Milton ,in Kent, at Lowlane ? and the family consists of Daniel Ratcliffe, 40, papermaker, Y, Mary, 35, ditto, Y, Elizabeth, 15, ditto, Y, William , 12, Sarah 5, Emma 2 and George 8 months . In the 1851 they are living in Charlton, Kent, at Bridge St, he is mis transcribed as David , but its a very badly written Daniel , now aged 50, paper maker , born ? Bives ? Kent, wife Mary , 46 born High Wycum, Bucks, Mary , 23, paper maker , born Milton, Sarah, 16, paper maker, b ?Gerval? Kent, Emma, 12, b Buckland? Kent, George, 10, b Milton, Ann, 9, Laura, 7, Jane, 5, Ellena , 4............. I don`t find their marriage in the Allen index so they may well have married elsewhere in Kent or London ?? but I am a bit concerned about the gap between the gap between William aged 12 and Sarah aged 5 , in the 1841 census .......I wonder if this Mary is a second marriage .. However Daniel and Mary married presumably before 1826 and after 1822 so its a narrow margin ....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Modbury" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [HRT] Nash Mill birth place >I have a Mary BUDD which says she was born in Nash Mill Hertfordshire abt > 1806 as from the 1871 census. > I cannot say if the name of BUDD is her maiden name as I cannot find her > marriage to Daniel RATCLIFFE, all I have is the birth cert for one of her > children that tells me her former name was BUDD. > Daniel RATCLIFFE was a paper maker in Kent where he was born, but I > believe > he travelled to many paper making area's, ending up at Winchcombe where he > died. > > Is there a village called Nash Mill ?, if so, could some kind person with > access to any PR's for the area do a lookup for me please. > > I am looking for Mary's chr or marriage dates, or even a connection to > this > Mary BUDD ?. > > All info most welcomed. > > Thank you. > > Best Wishes > > Bernie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 > 6:33 AM > > >

Looking at the censuses, Mary would appear to have died by 1871 since Daniel in Winchcombe is married to Alice also born Winchcombe. On the 1861 Mary says she is born Nash Mills - and she is Mary A so likely to be Mary Ann HTH Anne On 8 Jul 2008, at 16:09, Modbury wrote: > I have a Mary BUDD which says she was born in Nash Mill > Hertfordshire abt > 1806 as from the 1871 census. > I cannot say if the name of BUDD is her maiden name as I cannot find > her > marriage to Daniel RATCLIFFE, all I have is the birth cert for one > of her > children that tells me her former name was BUDD. > Daniel RATCLIFFE was a paper maker in Kent where he was born, but I > believe > he travelled to many paper making area's, ending up at Winchcombe > where he > died. > > Is there a village called Nash Mill ?, if so, could some kind person > with > access to any PR's for the area do a lookup for me please. > > I am looking for Mary's chr or marriage dates, or even a connection > to this > Mary BUDD ?. > > All info most welcomed. > > Thank you. > > Best Wishes > > Bernie >

From: Modbury <[email protected]> Subject: [HRT] Nash Mill birth place > I have a Mary BUDD which says she was born in Nash Mill Hertfordshire > abt 1806 as from the 1871 census. I cannot say if the name of BUDD is > her maiden name as I cannot find her marriage to Daniel RATCLIFFE, all > I have is the birth cert for one of her children that tells me her > former name was BUDD. Daniel RATCLIFFE was a paper maker in Kent where > he was born, but I believe he travelled to many paper making area's, > ending up at Winchcombe where he died. > > Is there a village called Nash Mill ?, if so, could some kind person > with access to any PR's for the area do a lookup for me please. > > I am looking for Mary's chr or marriage dates, or even a connection to > this Mary BUDD ?.> NASH MILLS is a civil parish within Hemel Hempstead. It took its name from the former Nash Mill, a paper-making mill owned by John Dickinson in the early 19th century. Simply entering "Nash Mills+Hertfordshire" into Google will tell you much about it. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Nash Mills is on the outskirts of the (new) town of Hemel Hempstead on the way to Kings Langley. If you put Nash Mills into any map site, like Multimap or Google maps you should find it. There were at one time lots of paper mills there - which probably explains how Daniel Ratcliffe came to be there and met Mary. There is an extracted entry on the IGI for a Mary Ann Budd at Kings Langley who might fit MARY ANN BUDD Christening: 08 JAN 1804 Kings Langley, Hertford, England Father: JOHN BUDD Family Mother: ELIZABETH Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Source Information: Batch No.: C048131 If you look in the Hertfordshire Names online ( marriage index) available at the HALS site, you find groom William Spurr of Hemel Hempstead bride Mary Ann Budd of Hemel Hempstead place Hemel Hempstead date 13 Oct 1840 and groom Charles Miller bride Mary Ann Budd place Tring date 5 Aug 1836 Can't find a marriage for Daniel to her on Free BMD though Anne On 8 Jul 2008, at 16:09, Modbury wrote: > I have a Mary BUDD which says she was born in Nash Mill > Hertfordshire abt > 1806 as from the 1871 census. > I cannot say if the name of BUDD is her maiden name as I cannot find > her > marriage to Daniel RATCLIFFE, all I have is the birth cert for one > of her > children that tells me her former name was BUDD. > Daniel RATCLIFFE was a paper maker in Kent where he was born, but I > believe > he travelled to many paper making area's, ending up at Winchcombe > where he > died. > > Is there a village called Nash Mill ?, if so, could some kind person > with > access to any PR's for the area do a lookup for me please. > > I am looking for Mary's chr or marriage dates, or even a connection > to this > Mary BUDD ?. > > All info most welcomed. > > Thank you. > > Best Wishes > > Bernie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I have a Mary BUDD which says she was born in Nash Mill Hertfordshire abt 1806 as from the 1871 census. I cannot say if the name of BUDD is her maiden name as I cannot find her marriage to Daniel RATCLIFFE, all I have is the birth cert for one of her children that tells me her former name was BUDD. Daniel RATCLIFFE was a paper maker in Kent where he was born, but I believe he travelled to many paper making area's, ending up at Winchcombe where he died. Is there a village called Nash Mill ?, if so, could some kind person with access to any PR's for the area do a lookup for me please. I am looking for Mary's chr or marriage dates, or even a connection to this Mary BUDD ?. All info most welcomed. Thank you. Best Wishes Bernie

Hi Rosemary On Harriet's wedding cert he was down has a labour and it did not say anything at all about him beening dead but that depends on what they tell the vicar but has I cant find him on other census I think you are right , I also looked for the son George on the 1881 census but I cant find him so I expect he is dead also But I also looked for this Thomas Brindle on the 1841 census when I had ancestry and could not find him either but Ancestry was very bad for Herts. on the 1841 Harriet Môn was Sarah Warner born 1822 , she married a George Draper in 1847 and they had several kids Sarah died in 1889 a few years before Harriet in 1896 I did ring that pub Harriet worked at I wanted to check if it was the same one and it was still there which I was pleased about Just wished my husband would take me there for a visit Thank you for all your help Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Williams" <[email protected]> To: "cassy" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [HRT] Thomas Brindle > Cassy, > > This family seems to have suffered badly from mistranscription. Did it > say what the father's occupation was on Harriet's marriage certificate? > Did it indicate that he was still alive? Do you know which of the > Warner daughters was her mother? > > I don't think you can assume that Thomas Brindell married Mary about > 1846. They could have been married well before this, after George's > birth or not at all. > > FreeBMD has a death of a Thomas Brindell in 1855. You would need to > order the certificate to find out if it is the right one. > > There is then a marriage of a Mary Brindell in 1864 but this time it's > not a case of mis-transcription the entry is too difficult to read to > confirm a place and other details. > > This might explain, though, why there are no other census entries for > Thomas. > > In the mean time have you got this one of Harriet? > > In 1861 she's a servant at the Green Dragon in the Colney area of St. > Albans - I think thepub is still there > > Harriet S Warner > Age: 17 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 > Relation: Servant > Gender: Female > Where born: St Peter, Hertfordshire, England > > Civil Parish: St Alban St Peter > Ecclesiastical parish: Colney > County/Island: Hertfordshire > Country: England > > Good hunting, > > Ro > > --- cassy <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi All >> Can anyone help with this please , has I am tring to have another go >> at it >> My gr gr grandmother Harriet Warner was brought up by her >> grandparents >> Edward and Mary Warner , has her parents never married but on >> Harriets >> wedding cert >> to Thomas Franklin in 1864 she put down her father was Thomas Brindle >> Have never been able to find out anything at all about this man >> Below is a person who might be my Thomas Brindle but not sure , but >> I >> could never find >> him on another census >> Can anyone help please >> Cassy >> Assistant Admin Black Country >> Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists >> >> >> I . On the Index it has it listed as Brandell but when I looked at >> the >> census it is definatle Brindell . >> Also he has a son living with him who was born in 1847 so this >> suggest he >> did not marry till about 1846 >> >> 1851 Civil parish: Harpenden County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: >> England >> Source information: HO107/1713 Registration district: St Albans >> Sub-registration district: Harpenden ED, institution, or vessel: 2a >> Folio: >> 77 Page: 19 >> >> Thomas Brindell / HD/ 29/ Straw Hat Bleacher / Beds Luton >> Mary / Wife / Plaiter / Herts Harpendon >> George / Son / 4/ Herts Harpendon >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1536 - Release Date: 05/07/2008 > 10:15 > > >