Wasn't Herefordshire very well known for perry" Steve Kelsey -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TERRY DIPPLE Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:29 PM To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HEF] Hops Heather - sometimes it's good to discuss a topic like hop-picking for its historic value, rather answering questions from people whose initials seem invariably to be SKS, who are too cheap to subscribe to Ancestry, or walk/drive to their library where it is free. However, I know that topics like hop-picking/growing can become tiresome, but that's where the administrator should cut it short. Regards - Terry P.S. anybody know about cider-apple growing? -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather & Chris Lord Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:22 PM To: 'David Daniell'; 'Herefordshire Rootsweb' Subject: Re: [HEF] Hops Hi David I have plenty of other ways to occupy my time than to write to the list. I write to the list when I have a query, or when I have something to say which may help another lister. What I was trying to point out - and what I said in my 2nd message to the list - is that the occupation would've been simply "Farmer" or "Hop Grower". Heather -----Original Message----- From: David Daniell [mailto:ddaniell@woosh.co.nz] Sent: 31 May 2008 07:06 To: Herefordshire Rootsweb; Heather & Chris Lord Cc: TERRY DIPPLE Subject: Re: [HEF] Hops Hi Heather, This is nice of you. I have never expressed interest in or been interested in the picking of hops or whoever may have done it! That is just what everyone wants to write to the List about or to me about! And that is, I suppose, what a List is "about", what people Want to write in about. From the first line of my first letter to the list on Hops - this is what I want to know: "Can anyone tell me the correct description in the old censuses of people whose main occupation was growing hops?" (first line of message dated 30 May 2008) I've explained why I doubt some of the commentary since made. thanks david On 31/05/2008, at 10:20 AM, Heather & Chris Lord wrote: > Hi David and all > > My great grandfather was involved in hop growing in Kent. (It is > believed > that he owned the smallest oast house in Kent, and one of the oldest). > > My Mum wrote a piece about her childhood, part of which says > > "Until WW2 my mother did not work outside the home, except for the > annual 3 > weeks spent picking hops at Harold Wilkinson's farm at Farningham, > on the > Benenden/Golford road, where my grandfather Santer was the hop drier, > working day and night in the oast where he had a rough bed. Aunt > Edie would > cycle from Golford with his meals. Drying hops was a very skilled > job, and > the fire, which in those days was a coal one, needed expert > attention." > > and: > > "Depending on the number of pickers in a family was the decision to > have a > bin or half a bin. Hops were picked in bins which were constructed > from > sacking secured to a wooden pole frame and, I think, would hold > around 40 > bushels. We picked in sets, so many bins to a set and so > many"hills". A hill > contained a certain number of "bines". When a set had been cleared, > the bins > were moved to another set. In this way every one had a share of > "good" and > "bad" sets. > > Earlier in the year, about May, women had been employed in hop > training. The > best bines in each hill were selected to grow up the strings to the > overhead > wire framework, and the weaker ones pulled out. The hops had to be > trained > three times with a period of time between each training. Aunt Nell > was a > regular and experienced hop trainer and later my mother did > training,though > not at the same farm. Hop training was also called hop tying." > > Hope this helps > Regards > Heather > now in Oz > but born & bred in Kent > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Daniell > Sent: 29 May 2008 20:18 > To: Herefordshire Rootsweb > Subject: [HEF] Hops > > > Can anyone tell me the correct description in the old censuses of > people whose main occupation was growing hops? Or was this perforce a > seasonal occupation? (so at census time they would not have been doing > that?) Would they have been classes as ag-labs or would it have > required enough skill to be regarded as a separate 'trade'? > > I notice in a recent message someone is described as a hop-planter. > Might > this have been someone who owned a plantation as distinct from > an employee who planted them and trained them onto sticks etc? > > Thanks for any advice, > David > > "14th October 1793, Sun Newspaper, London > A few days since, at St. John's Worcester, Mr ROLLASON, Printer & > Bookseller, Coventry, married to Miss OVEN, daughter of the late Mr > James OVEN, Hop-planter and Grazier, Dilwyn Herefordshire > Diane J." > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Steve - I think they had something to do with brown and white cattle too. And don't forget about damsons and mistletoe. Terry - still up after the Reds beat the Braves -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stephen J. Kelsey Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:35 PM To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HEF] Hops Wasn't Herefordshire very well known for perry" Steve Kelsey -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TERRY DIPPLE Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:29 PM To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HEF] Hops Heather - sometimes it's good to discuss a topic like hop-picking for its historic value, rather answering questions from people whose initials seem invariably to be SKS, who are too cheap to subscribe to Ancestry, or walk/drive to their library where it is free. However, I know that topics like hop-picking/growing can become tiresome, but that's where the administrator should cut it short. Regards - Terry P.S. anybody know about cider-apple growing? -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather & Chris Lord Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:22 PM To: 'David Daniell'; 'Herefordshire Rootsweb' Subject: Re: [HEF] Hops Hi David I have plenty of other ways to occupy my time than to write to the list. I write to the list when I have a query, or when I have something to say which may help another lister. What I was trying to point out - and what I said in my 2nd message to the list - is that the occupation would've been simply "Farmer" or "Hop Grower". Heather -----Original Message----- From: David Daniell [mailto:ddaniell@woosh.co.nz] Sent: 31 May 2008 07:06 To: Herefordshire Rootsweb; Heather & Chris Lord Cc: TERRY DIPPLE Subject: Re: [HEF] Hops Hi Heather, This is nice of you. I have never expressed interest in or been interested in the picking of hops or whoever may have done it! That is just what everyone wants to write to the List about or to me about! And that is, I suppose, what a List is "about", what people Want to write in about. From the first line of my first letter to the list on Hops - this is what I want to know: "Can anyone tell me the correct description in the old censuses of people whose main occupation was growing hops?" (first line of message dated 30 May 2008) I've explained why I doubt some of the commentary since made. thanks david On 31/05/2008, at 10:20 AM, Heather & Chris Lord wrote: > Hi David and all > > My great grandfather was involved in hop growing in Kent. (It is > believed > that he owned the smallest oast house in Kent, and one of the oldest). > > My Mum wrote a piece about her childhood, part of which says > > "Until WW2 my mother did not work outside the home, except for the > annual 3 > weeks spent picking hops at Harold Wilkinson's farm at Farningham, > on the > Benenden/Golford road, where my grandfather Santer was the hop drier, > working day and night in the oast where he had a rough bed. Aunt > Edie would > cycle from Golford with his meals. Drying hops was a very skilled > job, and > the fire, which in those days was a coal one, needed expert > attention." > > and: > > "Depending on the number of pickers in a family was the decision to > have a > bin or half a bin. Hops were picked in bins which were constructed > from > sacking secured to a wooden pole frame and, I think, would hold > around 40 > bushels. We picked in sets, so many bins to a set and so > many"hills". A hill > contained a certain number of "bines". When a set had been cleared, > the bins > were moved to another set. In this way every one had a share of > "good" and > "bad" sets. > > Earlier in the year, about May, women had been employed in hop > training. The > best bines in each hill were selected to grow up the strings to the > overhead > wire framework, and the weaker ones pulled out. The hops had to be > trained > three times with a period of time between each training. Aunt Nell > was a > regular and experienced hop trainer and later my mother did > training,though > not at the same farm. Hop training was also called hop tying." > > Hope this helps > Regards > Heather > now in Oz > but born & bred in Kent > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Daniell > Sent: 29 May 2008 20:18 > To: Herefordshire Rootsweb > Subject: [HEF] Hops > > > Can anyone tell me the correct description in the old censuses of > people whose main occupation was growing hops? Or was this perforce a > seasonal occupation? (so at census time they would not have been doing > that?) Would they have been classes as ag-labs or would it have > required enough skill to be regarded as a separate 'trade'? > > I notice in a recent message someone is described as a hop-planter. > Might > this have been someone who owned a plantation as distinct from > an employee who planted them and trained them onto sticks etc? > > Thanks for any advice, > David > > "14th October 1793, Sun Newspaper, London > A few days since, at St. John's Worcester, Mr ROLLASON, Printer & > Bookseller, Coventry, married to Miss OVEN, daughter of the late Mr > James OVEN, Hop-planter and Grazier, Dilwyn Herefordshire > Diane J." > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message