I would just like to thank Phil Bufton and Gerald Cooke for sending me information on the above names, it is much appreciated and hopefully I can now find out a bit more about these families. Thanks again Diane (Bath) Outgoing mail is certified virus free Checked by AVG ant-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com ) Version6.0.377 / Virus Database 211-Release Date 7/15/2002