Hi Kevin You have two completely different facts here. 1. John EVANS who married in 1802 at Much Marcle was a resident of the parish of Hereford All Saints. 2. In 1777 a John EVANS was baptised at Much Marcle. The two events don't inter-relate at all except for the person that they each relate to has the same names. So the John EVANS could be the same person, or two completely different ones. You need to look for further proof, such as what happened to the parents and siblings of the child baptised in 1777? Did any of them also move into Hereford? Did any of the leave a will mentioning John? With such "common" names I'm afraid that your work is going to be cut out proofing it! Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin mcc" <cardiff2cork@hotmail.com> To: "ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com" <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: [HEF] Of this parish? Hello all, Im hoping someone can give me a definitive answer to the following? My Gx4 were John Evans and Mary Pritchard who married 1802 in Much Marcle. Mary was recorded as of this parish and John Evans was recorded as of All Saints Hereford City. I really thought John Evans was the son of John Evans and Margaret Mason born MM 1777. Every thing pointed to this ..... his cildren....eldest John and eldest daur. Margaret. Of course I can't accept John and Margaret as my Gx5 as John Gx4 is recorded as of Hereford City. However, what does this represent exactly? Could he have been of MM ...moved away for say 12 months and be described as of All saints? Could he be living in the parish 6 months and still be described as of Hereford City? There are numerous scenarios but I would like a definitive answer......if there is one. Many thanks , Kevin, Co Cork, Ireland. http://www.geocities.com/kevccfc59/index.html Updated daily. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have researched in south Wales for sometime. Now I have information that takes me into north Wales. Using the details below, is there one Welsh mailing list I could join that would cover the areas and time period of concern? Do I go by the names of the area in early 1800's or current name for the area? I have located Gwytherin, Rhyl, and Chester on maps of that era okay 1. Japheth HUGHES was born about 1826 in Gwytherin, Denbighshire, Wales (1841 AND 1851 census and later records in United States). 2. His father was John HUGHES, born about 1774 in Denbighshire, Wales, a farmer (1841 census, marriage record of Japheth). 3. His mother was Jane, born about 1781 in Denbighshire, Wales (1841 census). 4. It appears Japheth is one of the youngest children of this couple and David HUGHES, born about 1806, is one of the oldest (1841 census). Because of their age on the census, I wonder if the parents were still living by 1851. Would like to find out names of siblings between David and Japheth plus the maiden name of Jane and perhaps best place to look for records that might contain these details. 5. The 1841 census shows the family at Gwytherin, Denbighshire, Wales, district 20--HO 107, piece 1402, book 3, folio 8, page 8, lines 8-11. What is the place name they were living at? 6. The 1851 census shows Japheth HUGHES at Rhyl, Flintshire, Wales, district 6-c--HO 107, piece 2505, folio 210, page 51, line 10. He is a lodger with the family of a Calvinistic Preacher, who was born in Denbighshire. Both Japheth and another lodger are journeyman joiners. His birthplace is given as Gwytherin, Denbighshire. 7. Marriage certificate for 3 December 1852, marriage at Independent Chapel on Queen Street, Chester, Cheshire, England (Great Boughton registration district) has these details: Japheth HUGHES, age 26, joiner, living at Weavers Lane, Chester, father John HUGHES was a farmer. Maria WILLIAMS, age 24, living at Queen Street, Chester, father Henry WILLIAMS was a butcher. 8. Japheth HUGHES and Maria WILLIAMS had their first child Henry John HUGHES on 16 August 1852, at Queens Park, St. Bridget's, Chester, Cheshire, England. Japheth was a joiner (birth certificate). 9. On 21 August 1854 the family (Japheth, Maria, and Henry) arrived at New York City on ship "Trumbull" (passenger list). 10. The family then lived in Ohio, Iowa, and Nebraska, with Japheth listed as a carpenter. Sometimes Maria's name is shown as Mariah. They had eight daughters born in Ohio. Ruth Ann in the United States

Hello all, Im hoping someone can give me a definitive answer to the following? My Gx4 were John Evans and Mary Pritchard who married 1802 in Much Marcle. Mary was recorded as of this parish and John Evans was recorded as of All Saints Hereford City. I really thought John Evans was the son of John Evans and Margaret Mason born MM 1777. Every thing pointed to this ..... his cildren....eldest John and eldest daur. Margaret. Of course I can't accept John and Margaret as my Gx5 as John Gx4 is recorded as of Hereford City. However, what does this represent exactly? Could he have been of MM ...moved away for say 12 months and be described as of All saints? Could he be living in the parish 6 months and still be described as of Hereford City? There are numerous scenarios but I would like a definitive answer......if there is one. Many thanks , Kevin, Co Cork, Ireland. http://www.geocities.com/kevccfc59/index.html Updated daily. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

I am looking for Blatchford.Now there was a Blatchford & Griffith marriage abt 1750 in St Stephens,Bristol. I did some research and found Griffiths to be a Welsh Surname.bt other than a marriage the trail got cold.My main concern is Oliver Blatchford,a miller, who shows up from nowhere,getting married in Redcliffe,1816.

Hi Linda If you were to tell us something specific about your GRIFFITHS family such as known names and dates, we might be able to help you..... Note that a relevant Subject Line and surnames in capitals will help draw attention to your interests. Kind regards Polly List admin: MIDMARCH@rootsweb.com A genealogy and local history list covering the Counties of Brecon, Hereford, Monmouth, Shropshire, Stafford and Worcester. ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ROWBERRY@rootsweb.com ROWBERRY/RUBERY ONS - GOONS #278 rowberry@one-name.org http://www.rowberry.org Webmaster for the Herefordshire Family History Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Kent-Taylor" <lindaekt@yahoo.co.uk> To: "HEREFORD" <ENG-HEREFORD-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: [HEF] Griffiths Is there anyone else trying to sort out the Griffiths from Clodock/Longtown and Craswell. Griffiths seems to be a very common name and all the families appear to be using the same Christian names. All my Griffiths seem to christen their children the same names, through the generations and marry Griffiths with the same Christian names. is this very common in the villages of Herefordshire Linda ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HO107/423/5/1 Oliver Blatchford.miller Ester or Hester nee Winstone Blatchford

Is there anyone else trying to sort out the Griffiths from Clodock/Longtown and Craswell. Griffiths seems to be a very common name and all the families appear to be using the same Christian names. All my Griffiths seem to christen their children the same names, through the generations and marry Griffiths with the same Christian names. is this very common in the villages of Herefordshire Linda

Hi Viv, Thank you for letting me know - I will arrange a trip soon, it is not too far away! I had previously searched the IGI but I will go back and check now that you have confirmed that Moccas is covered for that time period. Thanks ever so much for all your help. Leigh Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:52:00 -0000 From: "Mike Palmer" <mdpalmer@ukgateway.net> Subject: Re: [HEF] Crum/Randall Marriage To: "Leigh Abbott" <leigh@webmonastery.com> Cc: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <007001c86297$457c0ac0$0bf94d4f@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Hi Leigh, According to the Phillimore Index of PRs, the registers for Moccas should be available at the RO in Hereford for the years 1673 to 1993. Also those for 1660 to 1977 at the Society of Genealogists (presumably in London). It would be wise to check when these are open and if the registers you require are available. This seems to be the time of year for building work and temporary closures! Have you checked the online IGI birth records for Catherine's birth under both names? Phillimore says that IGI records for Moccas cover 1660 - 1886. Viv From: "Leigh Abbott" <leigh@webmonastery.com> > From your previous message, it did not cross my mind that James could be her > stepfather, I was taking it as fact that he was her father as he was on the > marriage certificate. I like that possibility a lot, as it would certainly > explain why she used Randall on her childrens' birth certificates. > > If I wanted to try and track down a birth record for Catherine (her birth > place is given as Moccas, Hereford in the census and she was born around > 1832) do you or anyone else on the list, know if the Herefordshire Record > Office has parish records for this time? ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-HEREFORD list administrator, send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-HEREFORD mailing list, send an email to ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-HEREFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 24 ******************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1248 - Release Date: 28/01/2008 21:32 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: 30/01/2008 09:29

Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:52:00 -0000 From: "Mike Palmer" <mdpalmer@ukgateway.net> Subject: Re: [HEF] Crum/Randall Marriage To: "Leigh Abbott" <leigh@webmonastery.com> Cc: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <007001c86297$457c0ac0$0bf94d4f@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Hi Leigh, According to the Phillimore Index of PRs, the registers for Moccas should be available at the RO in Hereford for the years 1673 to 1993. Also those for 1660 to 1977 at the Society of Genealogists (presumably in London). It would be wise to check when these are open and if the registers you require are available. This seems to be the time of year for building work and temporary closures! Have you checked the online IGI birth records for Catherine's birth under both names? Phillimore says that IGI records for Moccas cover 1660 - 1886. Viv From: "Leigh Abbott" <leigh@webmonastery.com> > From your previous message, it did not cross my mind that James could be her > stepfather, I was taking it as fact that he was her father as he was on the > marriage certificate. I like that possibility a lot, as it would certainly > explain why she used Randall on her childrens' birth certificates. > > If I wanted to try and track down a birth record for Catherine (her birth > place is given as Moccas, Hereford in the census and she was born around > 1832) do you or anyone else on the list, know if the Herefordshire Record > Office has parish records for this time? ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-HEREFORD list administrator, send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-HEREFORD mailing list, send an email to ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-HEREFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 24 ******************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1248 - Release Date: 28/01/2008 21:32 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: 30/01/2008 09:29

Hi Leigh, As an afterthought, and as a recommendation to other listers, The National Archives have podcasts available online: <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/rss/podcasts.xml> This one is very useful at telling us just what our ancestors got up to when registering births, marriages and deaths: "Sex, Lies & Civil Registration talk: When you have been researching family history for even a short time, you will realise that the information shown on certificates is not always completely accurate! Sometimes this is the result of an honest mistake, or mis-interpretation of the question; sometimes people are being 'economical with the truth'; and sometimes they just tell outright lies. Why? The answer is usually to do with money or sex, and sometimes both." This particular talk lasts an hour, but it can be saved and loaded onto an MP player. It is very informative, and the speaker is good. Viv

Hi Leigh, According to the Phillimore Index of PRs, the registers for Moccas should be available at the RO in Hereford for the years 1673 to 1993. Also those for 1660 to 1977 at the Society of Genealogists (presumably in London). It would be wise to check when these are open and if the registers you require are available. This seems to be the time of year for building work and temporary closures! Have you checked the online IGI birth records for Catherine's birth under both names? Phillimore says that IGI records for Moccas cover 1660 - 1886. Viv From: "Leigh Abbott" <leigh@webmonastery.com> > From your previous message, it did not cross my mind that James could be her > stepfather, I was taking it as fact that he was her father as he was on the > marriage certificate. I like that possibility a lot, as it would certainly > explain why she used Randall on her childrens' birth certificates. > > If I wanted to try and track down a birth record for Catherine (her birth > place is given as Moccas, Hereford in the census and she was born around > 1832) do you or anyone else on the list, know if the Herefordshire Record > Office has parish records for this time?

Viv, >From your previous message, it did not cross my mind that James could be her stepfather, I was taking it as fact that he was her father as he was on the marriage certificate. I like that possibility a lot, as it would certainly explain why she used Randall on her childrens' birth certificates. If I wanted to try and track down a birth record for Catherine (her birth place is given as Moccas, Hereford in the census and she was born around 1832) do you or anyone else on the list, know if the Herefordshire Record Office has parish records for this time? Kind regards, Leigh -----Original Message----- From: Mike Palmer [mailto:mdpalmer@ukgateway.net] Sent: 29 January 2008 12:46 To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Cc: leigh@webmonastery.com Subject: Re: [HEF] Crum/Randall Marriage Hi Leigh, I doubt if she would revert to her mother's name, much more likely the other way round if her mother later married her real father. Like my great grandmother I expect that she took her stepfather's name Knowing you can't always rely on details on a certificate being the absolute truth, I suspect that James Lawrence is really her stepfather. If she didn't know who her real father was, it would be embarrassing to leave it blank, so she chose the stepfather's name. I suspect that sometimes people put another relative, or used a totally fictitious name. Viv From: <leigh@webmonastery.com> > > Perhaps something similar has happened here, although Catherine Lawrence's > father is recorded as James Lawrence on the marriage certificate. Could there > be any situation where her father died and she took her mother's maiden name > or her mother remarried and she took the surname of her stepfather? > > I need to investigate further! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1248 - Release Date: 28/01/2008 21:32 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1248 - Release Date: 28/01/2008 21:32

Viv - thanks for bringing that our attention. I think this should be made compulsory listening, before joining GR/Ancestry or similar sites. Regards - Terry -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Palmer Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: Leigh Abbott Cc: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Subject: [HEF] A TNA podcast: "Sex, Lies & Civil Registration" Hi Leigh, As an afterthought, and as a recommendation to other listers, The National Archives have podcasts available online: <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/rss/podcasts.xml> This one is very useful at telling us just what our ancestors got up to when registering births, marriages and deaths: "Sex, Lies & Civil Registration talk: When you have been researching family history for even a short time, you will realise that the information shown on certificates is not always completely accurate! Sometimes this is the result of an honest mistake, or mis-interpretation of the question; sometimes people are being 'economical with the truth'; and sometimes they just tell outright lies. Why? The answer is usually to do with money or sex, and sometimes both." This particular talk lasts an hour, but it can be saved and loaded onto an MP player. It is very informative, and the speaker is good. Viv ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jon I am sure this is clutching at straws as WRIGHT is such a common name (I have different lines of WRIGHTs in each of my main four families) but I have a long line of WRIGHTs in Bodenham in Herefordshire. The latest direct one in my line married and changed her name in 1788 (Mary WRIGHT mar.John JENKINS) - so if you find that your family stretches back in this direction do pls get in touch. My Withington family in late 18c and early 19c is GWILLIAM and TRILLA. Best wishes Anne -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of MackleyFH@aol.com Sent: 28 January 2008 19:15 To: ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com Subject: [HEF] WILLIAMS, WRIGHT,SEAL families from Hereford and Herefordshire Dear Listers, ... Emily’s parents were George WILLIAMS (b. 1842 in Burghill, Herefordshire) and Louisa WRIGHT (b. 1844 in Withington, Herefordshire). I think that George’s parents were Richard WILLIAMS from Burghill and Mary SEAL from Bullingham. George’s parents may have been Joseph WILLIAMS (from Huntingdon, Hereford) and Mary from All Saints, Hereford. Louisa WRIGHT’s parents may have been William WRIGHT from Withington and Mary BRADFORD. I would be pleased to hear from anyone else who is researching these lines. Jon Mackley Northamptonshire, UK ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Leigh, I doubt if she would revert to her mother's name, much more likely the other way round if her mother later married her real father. Like my great grandmother I expect that she took her stepfather's name Knowing you can't always rely on details on a certificate being the absolute truth, I suspect that James Lawrence is really her stepfather. If she didn't know who her real father was, it would be embarrassing to leave it blank, so she chose the stepfather's name. I suspect that sometimes people put another relative, or used a totally fictitious name. Viv From: <leigh@webmonastery.com> > > Perhaps something similar has happened here, although Catherine Lawrence's > father is recorded as James Lawrence on the marriage certificate. Could there > be any situation where her father died and she took her mother's maiden name > or her mother remarried and she took the surname of her stepfather? > > I need to investigate further!

Hi Malcolm, Thank you, I shall check this out, sounds like the right area of the county. Leigh > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:47:21 -0000 > From: "Malcolm Brinkworth" <welshbrinky@uwclub.net> > Subject: [HEF] Re- Crumb and Clitha > To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <982127E792FC49F3AC6A0418EE540B6F@MalcolmPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Leigh, > Their is an area called CLYTHA in Monmouthshire,situated near > to the Clytha Arms.This is on what used to be the main A 40 road from > Abergavenny to Raglan.It is past the Llanarth turning between their and > Raglan.If my memory serves me correctly the records come under > Llanarth,including an area called Clytha Hill, > > Best Wishes, > > Malcolm Brinkworth. >

Hi Viv, Perhaps something similar has happened here, although Catherine Lawrence's father is recorded as James Lawrence on the marriage certificate. Could there be any situation where her father died and she took her mother's maiden name or her mother remarried and she took the surname of her stepfather? I need to investigate further! Leigh > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:05:49 -0000 > From: "Mike Palmer" <mdpalmer@ukgateway.net> > Subject: Re: [HEF] Crum/Randall Marriage > To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <004d01c8619d$bff62b00$01bb4d4f@computer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Leigh, > > I had a similar problem with my great grandmother. On some of her children's > birth certificates she had given Wilding as her maiden name and on others > she gave Playdon. > > It turned out that Mary was illegitmate and her mother's name was Wilding. > After her mother married, Mary then took her stepfather's name of Playdon. > > I suspect that which name she gave at the children's birth registration > depended on exactly how the registrar phrased the question. > > The truth was revealed when I found two children with their Playdon > grandmother. > > Viv > > > From: <leigh@webmonastery.com> > > > > Thanks for the information I will double check what I have found so far. > May > > be I have my wires crossed somewhere, but I am being to think possibly > that > > Catherine Lawrence and Catherine Randall are the same person? It would be > > interesting to see if I can find the birth record of Catherine Lawrence to > see > > if she was born in Moccas. > > > ******************************************* >

Sandra, This may be his marriage. Phil Bufton Herefordshire FHS Parish Register No Entry No Person No1 Christian Person No1 Surname Marriage Date Person No2 Christian Person No2 Surname Hereford All Saints 4 497 ARTHUR DIXON SMITH 07/10/1909 IDA BEATRICE TURNER ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-Hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: [HEF] a possible look up please?..Smith, ARTHUR DIXON. > Dear Liters, > I am hoping that SKS may be able to do a Birth and Census look up for me > please?... > I am really stuck with this Brick wall, and hope that you may be able to > help?.... > > I am looking for the Birth of, Arthur Dixon smith who was born in either > Hereford or Glouseter?..... > > His Daughter, Mary prosser Smith was born 1911 in Monmouth, so i am > guessing his date of Birth for around 1891?? I am told he was married in > Hereford, but do not know who to!..... > > I would love to know who his parents and siblings are, and would welcome > any help or advice please?...Thank you. > sandra.. > > He later went to live in sutton coldfield, sometime after his marriage. > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Polly, I will get in touch with them. Regards June -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Polly Rubery Sent: Monday, 28 January 2008 5:22 PM To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HEF] Bromyard Workhouse 'Linton House' Hi June I have a recent one - but taken since it was turned into flats. However the Bromyard & District Local History Society should be able to help you with earlier ones (if no-one else on the List can). Their website is here: http://www.bromyardhistorysociety.org.uk

Hello Leigh, Their is an area called CLYTHA in Monmouthshire,situated near to the Clytha Arms.This is on what used to be the main A 40 road from Abergavenny to Raglan.It is past the Llanarth turning between their and Raglan.If my memory serves me correctly the records come under Llanarth,including an area called Clytha Hill, Best Wishes, Malcolm Brinkworth.