These people in a country near you have gathered up a lot of information http://www.home.gil.com.au/~ears/phtoc.html David On 16 Mar 2008, at 23:18, M Robinson wrote: > Can anyone help with information on mail services in Herefordshire > about the year 1800? > > In Australia early in the 19th century, the government advertised > mail contracts and individuals who won these contracts carried the > mail to various parts of the country, on horseback, or in coaches. > I presume much the same happened in England. > > I am interested in a possible mail route from Hereford along what is > now the A 465, through Kenderchurch to Abergavenny. Would records > of mail contracts and routes be kept at Record Offices? > > M Robinson > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Can anyone help with information on mail services in Herefordshire about the year 1800? In Australia early in the 19th century, the government advertised mail contracts and individuals who won these contracts carried the mail to various parts of the country, on horseback, or in coaches. I presume much the same happened in England. I am interested in a possible mail route from Hereford along what is now the A 465, through Kenderchurch to Abergavenny. Would records of mail contracts and routes be kept at Record Offices? M Robinson

Hi, all, My name is Ron Hamilton and I am researching the above name. My LUCAS family originate from BURGHILL, HEREFORDSHIRE. William Lucas married Mary Mosley on 27th September, 1825 at Burghill, Herefordshire. Children of that marriage are: Francis christened 1828 William christened 1828 John christened 1831 Edmund/Edward christened 1834 George christened 1840 Ellen christened 1845 All christenings were at Burghill except for William. That was listed as Croft, Herefordshire. William is the line that is my main interest. William married Ann Watkins in 1856 at Herefordshire. I do not have the full details as yet. Children are: Sarah born Hatfield, Hereford in 1856 Lucy born Pencombe, Hereford in 1859 Martha born Docklow, Hereford in 1861 Emma born Docklow in 1865 Rose H born Docklow in 1866 George born Grendon Bishop, Hereford in 1873 Elizabeth born Stoke Prior, Hereford in 1874 Alice born Humber, Hereford in 1876 Edward born Humber in 1879 Martha is now my line of interest. She married John Willcox in 1887 at St. Clement's Church, Chorlton-cum-Hardy, Manchester. William Lucas born 1828 ended up in Manchester as I have that family in the 1901 census. If there is anyone researching, or connected to this family and would like to make contact and exchange information, I look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes, Ron Hamilton.

Patterson's Book of Road, 1808. page 383 (105 of 250 on disk), from the "Cross Roads" section. Hereford to Abergavenny continued to Newport and Cardiff, with Branches to Uske and Pontypool. >From Hereford to Kenderchurch 11.l/4 miles. >From Hereford to Abergavenny 24 miles. Notes are given for just where, for Hereford, Wormchurch, Kenderchurch, Pontrilas, Abergavenny, and some places thereafter. A Mail Coach from London, passed through Abergavenny (cost per single letter 9 and 10 pence), arriving Abervagenny 10 pm, departing 4.00 a.m., no mention made as to weather changed route, as apparently did in some places. However not sure if this is the same coach as continued to Hereford, which had a mail coach from London arriving 8 pm and departing (not sure where, takes quite a while to check up), 6 a.m. There is a map on the disk which can be studied. Obviously this email is very limited, but I do not wish to misinform you by not reading the book correctly. Going a bit later is Owen's New Book of Roads, 1822. Happy travelling, Jo.

Hi list I wonder if somebody can do me a favour, my great grand parents are buired on the west side of TRELLECK CHURCH,there names are DANIEL & HARRIET PONTIFEX. I am williang to reimburses any out lay if someone can help me, I live in Yorkshire and do not travel very far at the monment. Thanks very much. Carole Mellor

Thank you David. I checked out Elizabeth Muttloy born Ruarden 1769 to James and Mary, and have her as a possibility for our Joseph's wife, though there was Joseph Williams born Ruarden that could also be the groom. M Robinson.

Oops - that marriage was in the parish of Ruardean and the bride's residence was Ruardean but there was no note of the groom's residence - sorry David On 15 Mar 2008, at 16:15, David Daniell wrote: > Marriage > 13 Dec 1803 > Groom Surname: WILLIAMS > Groom Forenames: Joseph > Bride Surname: MOTTLEY > Bride Forenames: Elizabeth > Banns > both signed > Witness 1: Thomas BRIGHT > Witness 2: Hannah MUTTLEY > Officiating Minister: J H BEESTON - minister

It looks to me (a furriner) like it might be 20 miles away from Ewyas Harold but for what it might be worth here is a marriage of a Joseph Williams to an Elizabeth about the right time taken from The Forest of Dean Family History website http://www.forest-of-dean.net/ Marriage 13 Dec 1803 Groom Surname: WILLIAMS Groom Forenames: Joseph Bride Surname: MOTTLEY Bride Forenames: Elizabeth Banns both signed Witness 1: Thomas BRIGHT Witness 2: Hannah MUTTLEY Officiating Minister: J H BEESTON - minister This seems to be all the info supplied in the register cheers David On 15 Mar 2008, at 13:10, M Robinson wrote: > Can anyone help with a marriage about 1800-1805 of Joseph WILLIAMS > to Elizabeth unknown? She was his second wife, and bore him two > children, Thomas and Ann. Her headstone in Ewyas Harold indicates > she was born about 1764. > > M Robinson. > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Can anyone help with a marriage about 1800-1805 of Joseph WILLIAMS to Elizabeth unknown? She was his second wife, and bore him two children, Thomas and Ann. Her headstone in Ewyas Harold indicates she was born about 1764. M Robinson.

David Kings Caple as you know *IS* in Herefordshire - probably a typo somewhere down the line (most probably during recent transcription). I am interested in that village - tho' I cannot (yet) prove a 100% hard linkage, I reckon my G2 grandfather, who emigrated to Tasmania in 1823, was the son of the church warden, John Howells, there and I think the family goes back in Kings Caple another 3 generations. There is apparently also an older memorial inscription for Thomas Howels dated 1688. It's a very small parish and the records are pretty sparse. The local warden still has the original accounting records (late 1700s) and the burial register (same period). The Hereford Records Office I think has BMD microfiche that covers this period and possibly earlier. I would be keen to start a dialog about Kings Caple with you and anyone else who has an interest in families from there. all the best Chris Howells FRENCHS FOREST, NSW, AUSTRALIA -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-hereford-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2008 6:05 PM To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-HEREFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 63 Today's Topics: 1. GUILLIM Ledbury (David Daniell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:15:12 +1300 From: David Daniell <ddaniell@woosh.co.nz> Subject: [HEF] GUILLIM Ledbury To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <BF17D625-A022-4170-AB17-7059111D0FBB@woosh.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just checked Docs online for any trace of a Ledbury family called Guillim. To my surprise I found the listing below which seems to think King's Caple is in Hertfordshire. Should I do something about this? What? David ---------------------------------------- Description Will of Thomas Guillim, Gentleman of Kings Caple, Hertfordshire Date 20 October 1652 Catalogue reference PROB 11/223 Dept Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Series Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers Piece Name of Register: Bowyer Quire Numbers: 154 - 195 ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-HEREFORD list administrator, send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-HEREFORD mailing list, send an email to ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-HEREFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 63 ******************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 11/03/2008 1:41 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 11/03/2008 1:41 PM

Hi Polly, No I won't download the will, someone of the same surname married one of my lot 30 years later. There may be a link but I thought I would consult first with another interested in Guillims. Anyway a bit far from Ledbury. I don't find old wills difficult (have just checked and the oldest I have is 1706, I;ve many though, all of about that time) so its photography not orthography that might beat me - it hasn't yet. cheers David On 13 Mar 2008, at 22:20, Polly Rubery wrote: > Hi David > > Have you downloaded the will? You really need to do that first to > see if > the error lies in the original (in which case you cannot really > challenge > the indexing) or in the index (when you can). > > Confusing Hertfordshire and Herefordshire is a common error, even > today! > > If the error is in the original then you can post a comment about it > on the > new(ish) Your Archives site run by TNA: > http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk > > If you need any help with reading it, let me know. > HTH > Polly > Living in Ledbury > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Daniell" <ddaniell@woosh.co.nz> > To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:15 AM > Subject: [HEF] GUILLIM Ledbury > > > I just checked Docs online for any trace of a Ledbury family called > Guillim. > > To my surprise I found the listing below which seems to think King's > Caple is in Hertfordshire. > Should I do something about this? What? > David > > ---------------------------------------- > Description Will of Thomas Guillim, Gentleman of Kings Caple, > Hertfordshire > Date 20 October 1652 > Catalogue reference PROB 11/223 > > Dept Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury > Series Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate > Jurisdictions: Will Registers > Piece Name of Register: Bowyer Quire Numbers: 154 - 195 > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I just checked Docs online for any trace of a Ledbury family called Guillim. To my surprise I found the listing below which seems to think King's Caple is in Hertfordshire. Should I do something about this? What? David ---------------------------------------- Description Will of Thomas Guillim, Gentleman of Kings Caple, Hertfordshire Date 20 October 1652 Catalogue reference PROB 11/223 Dept Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Series Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers Piece Name of Register: Bowyer Quire Numbers: 154 - 195

Hi David Have you downloaded the will? You really need to do that first to see if the error lies in the original (in which case you cannot really challenge the indexing) or in the index (when you can). Confusing Hertfordshire and Herefordshire is a common error, even today! If the error is in the original then you can post a comment about it on the new(ish) Your Archives site run by TNA: http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk If you need any help with reading it, let me know. HTH Polly Living in Ledbury ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Daniell" <ddaniell@woosh.co.nz> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:15 AM Subject: [HEF] GUILLIM Ledbury I just checked Docs online for any trace of a Ledbury family called Guillim. To my surprise I found the listing below which seems to think King's Caple is in Hertfordshire. Should I do something about this? What? David ---------------------------------------- Description Will of Thomas Guillim, Gentleman of Kings Caple, Hertfordshire Date 20 October 1652 Catalogue reference PROB 11/223 Dept Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Series Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers Piece Name of Register: Bowyer Quire Numbers: 154 - 195 ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Which Sarah have you hit a Brick Wall with? The mother or daughter. What help are you after? Regards Holly -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of xrhiannonpricex@aol.com Sent: Monday, 10 March 2008 10:38 PM To: ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com Subject: [HEF] MORRIS FAMILY I'm researching my family tree but have limited info on the following branch Williams Morris born 1843 married Sarah (Lewis given as previous name on Ellen's birth certificate but Phillpots/Philpotts?given on marriage certificate) born 1843 both in Ludlow, Shropshire. They had children Sarah?Ann?? b.1867?? Ludlow, Shropshire Elizabeth??? b.1869?? Ludlow, Shropshire Thomas??? b.1871?? Pipe Aston, Herefordshore William??? b.1876?? Ludlow, Shropshire Ellen??? b.1879?? Ludlow, Shropshire Eliza??? b.1881?? Ludlow, Shropshire Clara??? b.1884?? Ludlow, Shropshire John??? b.1885?? Yarpole, Hereforshire In 1881 the family are living at 43 Lower Gaolford, Ludlow In 1891 & 1901 the family are living in Bircher Village, Yarpole, Herefordshire Ellen Morris married James Gore.? They are my great great grandparents. Any help would be much appriciated. I have hit a brick wall with Sarah so would be amazed if anyone could help me unravel the mystery surrounding her. Thanks Rhiannon ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now. ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to thank you all for your help confusion lay in diffrent birth addresses on diffrent census. I have located the family and corrected my errors Regards Bob Wilesmith NSW Aust

I have a John Wildsmith appearing on the 1901 census index age 47 born Ashford Carbon Salop, Admin Country is Little Hereford in the Civil parish of Hereford Ag Lab, My problem is I cannot find him any where in 1881 or IGI indexes. could SKSdvise the full census details for 1901 so I may establish his ancestors and decendants. Regards Bob Wilesmith NSW Australia

Hi Robin You can only get birth certificates after the start of Civil Registration on 1st July 1837. For events prior to this you need to search for baptisms, marriages and burials in the parish registers. Some of these are indexed, but not all. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "robin townsend" <robin-townsend@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: [HEF] Townsends Having trouble trying to tie in relatives. Is there any kind soul out there who has access to details / images (parents & ages etc. would be extremely helpful!) of the following: Birth certificate for James Townsend born about 1821 at Sollershope Marriage certificate for John Townsend - married 4/5/1820 at Llanwarne (to Ann Cooke I think) Birth certificate for John - born about 1791 at Brockhampton Hopefully I can prove that John is the father of James and tie in the dates / marriages Any help is much appreciated regards robin townsend -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3996 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Having trouble trying to tie in relatives. Is there any kind soul out there who has access to details / images (parents & ages etc. would be extremely helpful!) of the following: Birth certificate for James Townsend born about 1821 at Sollershope Marriage certificate for John Townsend - married 4/5/1820 at Llanwarne (to Ann Cooke I think) Birth certificate for John - born about 1791 at Brockhampton Hopefully I can prove that John is the father of James and tie in the dates / marriages Any help is much appreciated regards robin townsend -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3996 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Dear Bob I have sent you the Ancestry census images for the 1901, 1891 and 1871 censuses. Hope this helps! Liz

1891 Census shows his birth place as Rochford, Worcestershire 1871 Burrington, Herefordshire Thomas Wildsmith 43 abt 1828 The Moore, Shropshire, England Head Susannah Wildsmith 46 abt 1825 Bache, Shropshire, England Wife John Wildsmith 16 abt 1855 Rochford, Worcestershire, England Son Jane Wildsmith 14 abt 1857 Rochford, Worcestershire, England Daughter Sophia Wildsmith 9 abt 1862 Leinthal Starkes, Herefordshire, England Daughter William Wildsmith 7 abt 1864 Elton, Herefordshire, England Son Susannah Wildsmith 5 mths abt 1870 Burrington, Herefordshire, England Granddaughter Regards, John (Storms have passed so I'm off out now!)