Hello All, I thought I'd show you a selection of surnames from the parish register (baptisms) 1890-1902 ish. If anyone wants details please e mail off list. GwilliamChamberlainDaviesEvansGreenBickBraceWoodGammondMorrisCarpenterSainsburyDobbsFlookProsserSteeleJolliffeFishpoolLittleCrumpWestSwinteyHibbertBaileyPreeceGardinerOslandBanfieldAndrewsEdwardsJacklings Regards Kevin, Co Cork _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE

Julie, Here is a first name. Judy GREEN, Hannah Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 17 Dec 1820 Recorded in: Peterstow, Herefordshire, England Father: Philip GREEN Mother: Mary Source: FHL Film 1040018 Dates: 1713 - 1892 **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

Could anyone please help? I have a Hannah Green in my tree, she married in 1848 in Ross. On her marriage certificate her fathers name was Phillip Green. I believe she was baptised 17 Dec 1820, at Peterstow (source IGI). Does anyone have access to the parish registers or could SKS please do a lookup when the are next at the local records office. I would like to know the information on the Baptism entry, especially the mothers name. Thankyou Julie County Durham

Many thanks to all those who wrote in about Fostering. Irene _________________________________________________________________ Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT

I found the "Fostering" subject from others here, and now the message from Heather in Canada on the subject of "fostering" or child "boarders" interesting. Although I cannot answer questions on the subject I thought I would add the following; My great great grandmother Mary Ann had a "boarder" in her home at Saint Owens Street, Hereford in 1871. The boarder was a baby girl aged 3 months at time of census so I doubt any chance of cheap labour in this case. It seems that Mary Ann worked as a nurse, according to census. The birth certificate of the child "boarder" reveals she was born illegitimate, so perhaps my grt grt grandmother was in attendance when this child was born and was asked by the mother if she might find a way of caring for her. (? ) In researching the baby's mother it seems she remained unmarried and worked as a domestic servant throughout her working life in Herefordshire. The father of the child ( a farmers son) married another and moved from Hereford to Gloucestershire where he became a farmer and had a family. (Hmm how many stories have we read on this?) When my grt grt grandmother Mary Ann and family moved from Hereford to Monmouth a few years later the child "boarder" moved with them and was with them in 1881 when she was aged 10, a scholar and still shown as "boarder." Although a "boarder" on census I think this child was being cared for by the family, at least until she had finished school or of an age to care for her self. Or was the child's "board" taken care of by her absent father? Either way, surely there was an attachment between my ancestors family and the child they had raised since a baby. Incidentally, the child's birth certificate does include the name of her father, hence my tracing his movements. I would think it likely he was held accountable and ordered to pay maintenance. (Does anyone know if such documents for 1870's are accessible in Hereford records office please?) Further research reveals that the child "boarder" later moved to Shropshire, got married and by 1901 was settled near Shrewsbury with the start of her own family. Upon her marriage certificate where Name and Profession of Father should be, is her mothers name. Merv, Devon.

How interesting Merv! I think I had better try and find this family that boarded my gggrandmother in an earlier census. Heather Canada Mervnovel@aol.com wrote: > I found the "Fostering" subject from others here, and now the message from > Heather in Canada on the subject of "fostering" or child "boarders" > interesting. Although I cannot answer questions on the subject I thought I would add > the following; > > My great great grandmother Mary Ann had a "boarder" in her home at Saint > Owens Street, Hereford in 1871. The boarder was a baby girl aged 3 months at > time of census so I doubt any chance of cheap labour in this case. It seems > that Mary Ann worked as a nurse, according to census. The birth certificate of > the child "boarder" reveals she was born illegitimate, so perhaps my grt grt > grandmother was in attendance when this child was born and was asked by the > mother if she might find a way of caring for her. (? ) > > In researching the baby's mother it seems she remained unmarried and worked > as a domestic servant throughout her working life in Herefordshire. The father > of the child ( a farmers son) married another and moved from Hereford to > Gloucestershire where he became a farmer and had a family. (Hmm how many > stories have we read on this?) When my grt grt grandmother Mary Ann and family > moved from Hereford to Monmouth a few years later the child "boarder" moved > with them and was with them in 1881 when she was aged 10, a scholar and still > shown as "boarder." Although a "boarder" on census I think this child was > being cared for by the family, at least until she had finished school or of an > age to care for her self. Or was the child's "board" taken care of by her > absent father? Either way, surely there was an attachment between my ancestors > family and the child they had raised since a baby. > > Incidentally, the child's birth certificate does include the name of her > father, hence my tracing his movements. I would think it likely he was held > accountable and ordered to pay maintenance. (Does anyone know if such documents > for 1870's are accessible in Hereford records office please?) > > Further research reveals that the child "boarder" later moved to > Shropshire, got married and by 1901 was settled near Shrewsbury with the start of > her own family. Upon her marriage certificate where Name and Profession of > Father should be, is her mothers name. > > Merv, Devon. > > > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Dear All Thanks for the info I have been able to find them - though why a name search on Ancestry didn't bring them up I do not know. Linda Herefordshire names: GREEN PHELPS HARRY TEDSTONE

Hello, A little late on this thread, but was wondering if anyone has a situation where a boarder became a family member? Or rather just stayed on with a family? I have a young girl, born in a work house being a boarder with a family at aged 12. I have seen lots of other young boarders in census, sometimes several in the same house. Would these have just been cheap labour, or would they have come as quite a young child and stayed till they could be off on their own. Surely a 12 year old wouldn't be paying for her board, but rather working for it? Any enlightenment gratefully accepted. Thanks Heather Canada Polly Rubery wrote: > Hi David > > "Legal adoption" in this case meant a countrywide (England & Wales) > statutory basis for legalising adoptions, and giving an adopted child a new > birth certificate showing the adoptive, rather than the natural parent(s). > > Adoption per se was of course "legal" before, but it was always a private > process, sometimes just an informal one, or sometimes arranged with the > assistance of a solicitor who would draw up some form of legal document as > in Hilary's grandmother's case. That would normally indicate that one of > the families were of good standing and able to afford such services. > > However the child would never have any other birth certificate, and while > (s)he could change her name legally just like anyone else if they chose to, > it could not be done by the adoptive parents. > > However they could "call" it whatever they liked, but in Hilary's case it > looks as if her gandmother reverted to her birth name on marriage as that > was still her legal name. > HTH > Polly > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- >> A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Linda, Search for Ross, Herefordshire not Ross-on-Wye. Phil Bufton Herefordshire FHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Wright" <lindaiswright@metronet.co.uk> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: [HEF] 1841 census > Is Ross on Wye and surrounding areas missing from 1841 census or were all > my lot hiding? > > Linda > > Herefordshire names - GREEN PHELPS HARRY TEDSTONE > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Linda, Who specifically are you looking for and what are you using (Ancestry etc). Piece no. is HO107/421. Gerald -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Wright Sent: 14 April 2008 13:00 To: ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HEF] 1841 census Is Ross on Wye and surrounding areas missing from 1841 census or were all my lot hiding? Linda Herefordshire names - GREEN PHELPS HARRY TEDSTONE ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is Ross on Wye and surrounding areas missing from 1841 census or were all my lot hiding? Linda Herefordshire names - GREEN PHELPS HARRY TEDSTONE

Linda - try the 1841 Welsh census Regards - Terry -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Wright Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:00 AM To: ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HEF] 1841 census Is Ross on Wye and surrounding areas missing from 1841 census or were all my lot hiding? Linda Herefordshire names - GREEN PHELPS HARRY TEDSTONE ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Polly, Does the new replacement birth certificate carry any sign that it is in fact a replacement because of adoption? cheers David On 14 Apr 2008, at 00:16, Polly Rubery wrote: > Hi David > > "Legal adoption" in this case meant a countrywide (England & Wales) > statutory basis for legalising adoptions, and giving an adopted > child a new > birth certificate showing the adoptive, rather than the natural > parent(s). > > Adoption per se was of course "legal" before, but it was always a > private > process, sometimes just an informal one, or sometimes arranged with > the > assistance of a solicitor who would draw up some form of legal > document as > in Hilary's grandmother's case. That would normally indicate that > one of > the families were of good standing and able to afford such services. > > However the child would never have any other birth certificate, and > while > (s)he could change her name legally just like anyone else if they > chose to, > it could not be done by the adoptive parents. > > However they could "call" it whatever they liked, but in Hilary's > case it > looks as if her gandmother reverted to her birth name on marriage as > that > was still her legal name. > HTH > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Daniell" <ddaniell@woosh.co.nz> > To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [HEF] FOSTERING > > > Hi Polly, > What does "legal" adoption mean? The issue of a new birth > certificate with the new adopted name and secrecy as to real > parent(s)? > David > > > > On 13 Apr 2008, at 21:31, Polly Rubery wrote: >> Hi Irene >> >> I can't help with Fostering Certificates, but legal adoption came >> into being >> in 1927 not 1947. >> Polly >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Irene Coutts" <irenecoutts@hotmail.com> >> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:05 AM >> Subject: [HEF] FOSTERING >> >> >> >> I know adoptions weren't legal until 1947 but can anyone tell me >> about >> Fostering Certificates. I have heard of one being issued in the >> 1920's in >> Wales. >> Irene >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre >> http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT >> ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- >> A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- >> A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Polly, What does "legal" adoption mean? The issue of a new birth certificate with the new adopted name and secrecy as to real parent(s)? David On 13 Apr 2008, at 21:31, Polly Rubery wrote: > Hi Irene > > I can't help with Fostering Certificates, but legal adoption came > into being > in 1927 not 1947. > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Irene Coutts" <irenecoutts@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:05 AM > Subject: [HEF] FOSTERING > > > > I know adoptions weren't legal until 1947 but can anyone tell me about > Fostering Certificates. I have heard of one being issued in the > 1920's in > Wales. > Irene > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I know adoptions weren't legal until 1947 but can anyone tell me about Fostering Certificates. I have heard of one being issued in the 1920's in Wales. Irene _________________________________________________________________ Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT

Hi David If it is a short birth certificate no, the full one lists the details of the adoption court case and gives the "adoptive parents" names, so in short yes it does. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Daniell" <ddaniell@woosh.co.nz> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [HEF] FOSTERING Many thanks Polly, Does the new replacement birth certificate carry any sign that it is in fact a replacement because of adoption? cheers David On 14 Apr 2008, at 00:16, Polly Rubery wrote: > Hi David > > "Legal adoption" in this case meant a countrywide (England & Wales) > statutory basis for legalising adoptions, and giving an adopted > child a new > birth certificate showing the adoptive, rather than the natural > parent(s). > > Adoption per se was of course "legal" before, but it was always a > private > process, sometimes just an informal one, or sometimes arranged with > the > assistance of a solicitor who would draw up some form of legal > document as > in Hilary's grandmother's case. That would normally indicate that > one of > the families were of good standing and able to afford such services. > > However the child would never have any other birth certificate, and > while > (s)he could change her name legally just like anyone else if they > chose to, > it could not be done by the adoptive parents. > > However they could "call" it whatever they liked, but in Hilary's > case it > looks as if her gandmother reverted to her birth name on marriage as > that > was still her legal name. > HTH > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Daniell" <ddaniell@woosh.co.nz> > To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [HEF] FOSTERING > > > Hi Polly, > What does "legal" adoption mean? The issue of a new birth > certificate with the new adopted name and secrecy as to real > parent(s)? > David > > > > On 13 Apr 2008, at 21:31, Polly Rubery wrote: >> Hi Irene >> >> I can't help with Fostering Certificates, but legal adoption came >> into being >> in 1927 not 1947. >> Polly >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Irene Coutts" <irenecoutts@hotmail.com> >> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:05 AM >> Subject: [HEF] FOSTERING >> >> >> >> I know adoptions weren't legal until 1947 but can anyone tell me >> about >> Fostering Certificates. I have heard of one being issued in the >> 1920's in >> Wales. >> Irene >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Are you paid what you're worth? 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Hi David "Legal adoption" in this case meant a countrywide (England & Wales) statutory basis for legalising adoptions, and giving an adopted child a new birth certificate showing the adoptive, rather than the natural parent(s). Adoption per se was of course "legal" before, but it was always a private process, sometimes just an informal one, or sometimes arranged with the assistance of a solicitor who would draw up some form of legal document as in Hilary's grandmother's case. That would normally indicate that one of the families were of good standing and able to afford such services. However the child would never have any other birth certificate, and while (s)he could change her name legally just like anyone else if they chose to, it could not be done by the adoptive parents. However they could "call" it whatever they liked, but in Hilary's case it looks as if her gandmother reverted to her birth name on marriage as that was still her legal name. HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Daniell" <ddaniell@woosh.co.nz> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [HEF] FOSTERING Hi Polly, What does "legal" adoption mean? The issue of a new birth certificate with the new adopted name and secrecy as to real parent(s)? David On 13 Apr 2008, at 21:31, Polly Rubery wrote: > Hi Irene > > I can't help with Fostering Certificates, but legal adoption came > into being > in 1927 not 1947. > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Irene Coutts" <irenecoutts@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:05 AM > Subject: [HEF] FOSTERING > > > > I know adoptions weren't legal until 1947 but can anyone tell me about > Fostering Certificates. I have heard of one being issued in the > 1920's in > Wales. > Irene > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am fascinated by this discussion. One of my grandfather's sisters was said to have been "adopted" on the death of his mother in 1905 of septicaemia following a miscarriage. The story is that the nurse took her. She was seen in Hereford as a young girl, working at Woolworths I think. However, I can find no record for her existence. I believe that she was born Gertrude RICKARDS c 1904 either in Ludlow or Hereford and that her adoptive family was something like MAYO. One of her sisters managed to trace her to Coventry at the beginning of WW2 but then the trail went cold. Obviously she may have been killed in the Blitz, but again I can find no documentation to confirm this having no evidence as to the name she was known by. I am interested that around the same period you have a legal document regarding an adoption and access rights. I have heard that Gertrude's birth family were denied contact with her but since they are now all dead I am unable to confirm this. Where might I look for any documents concerning Gertrude? Has anyone any ideas to help us trace what happened to her? Rosemary -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hilary Sent: 13 April 2008 11:26 To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HEF] FOSTERING I think it must mean that. My Grandmother was adopted in 1902, & we have a document drawn up by a solicitor stating the roles of each party .. who paid for what, what access her biological father could have (her mother had died), etc. She was known in the adoptive family by a new name, but when she came to marry, she used her birth name .. presumably because that was her 'legal' name. Hilary ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Daniell" < > Hi Polly, > What does "legal" adoption mean? The issue of a new birth > certificate with the new adopted name and secrecy as to real parent(s)? > David > On 13 Apr 2008, at 21:31, Polly Rubery wrote: >> Hi Irene >> >> I can't help with Fostering Certificates, but legal adoption came >> into being >> in 1927 not 1947. >> Polly >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Irene Coutts" <>> >> >> >> I know adoptions weren't legal until 1947 but can anyone tell me about >> Fostering Certificates. I have heard of one being issued in the >> 1920's in >> Wales. >> Irene ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it must mean that. My Grandmother was adopted in 1902, & we have a document drawn up by a solicitor stating the roles of each party .. who paid for what, what access her biological father could have (her mother had died), etc. She was known in the adoptive family by a new name, but when she came to marry, she used her birth name .. presumably because that was her 'legal' name. Hilary ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Daniell" < > Hi Polly, > What does "legal" adoption mean? The issue of a new birth > certificate with the new adopted name and secrecy as to real parent(s)? > David > On 13 Apr 2008, at 21:31, Polly Rubery wrote: >> Hi Irene >> >> I can't help with Fostering Certificates, but legal adoption came >> into being >> in 1927 not 1947. >> Polly >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Irene Coutts" <>> >> >> >> I know adoptions weren't legal until 1947 but can anyone tell me about >> Fostering Certificates. I have heard of one being issued in the >> 1920's in >> Wales. >> Irene

Hi Irene I can't help with Fostering Certificates, but legal adoption came into being in 1927 not 1947. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Coutts" <irenecoutts@hotmail.com> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: [HEF] FOSTERING I know adoptions weren't legal until 1947 but can anyone tell me about Fostering Certificates. I have heard of one being issued in the 1920's in Wales. Irene _________________________________________________________________ Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message