Hello, I am trying to locate the birth details for a John Smith who was born abt 1829 in Herefordshire. The birth certificates of his children, my great great grandfather, state Herefordshire as his birth place. There is a mention on his sons birth cert that John was born in ?march..... Herefordshire. I cant make out the spelling. Hoping you can help me. thanks Lee Smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-hereford-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2008 7:03 AM To: Lee Smith Subject: Welcome to the "ENG-HEREFORD" mailing list (Digest mode) Welcome to the ENG-HEREFORD mailing list! To post a message to this list, send your email to: ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com General information about the mailing list, including links to the list archives, can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-HEREFORD.html To unsubscribe from the list, including the list digest, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. Sincerely, The ENG-HEREFORD List Administrator ENG-HEREFORD-admin@rootsweb.com

If you can supply the year in which John was born and perhaps a mothers name we may be able to find them in early census, 1841 being the earliest. Helen in Seattle In a message dated 6/9/2008 4:07:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Lee.Smith@oss.wa.gov.au writes: Hello, I am trying to locate the birth details for a John Smith who was born abt 1829 in Herefordshire. The birth certificates of his children, my great great grandfather, state Herefordshire as his birth place. There is a mention on his sons birth cert that John was born in ?march..... Herefordshire. I cant make out the spelling. Hoping you can help me. thanks Lee Smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-hereford-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2008 7:03 AM To: Lee Smith Subject: Welcome to the "ENG-HEREFORD" mailing list (Digest mode) Welcome to the ENG-HEREFORD mailing list! To post a message to this list, send your email to: ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com General information about the mailing list, including links to the list archives, can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-HEREFORD.html To unsubscribe from the list, including the list digest, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. Sincerely, The ENG-HEREFORD List Administrator ENG-HEREFORD-admin@rootsweb.com ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

My grandmother, Jane Powell was born in Burmarsh and some of the events concerning my family took place in Lower Burmarsh. Perhaps if you googled "Marsh" + Hereford + England it may bring something up that would help you determine what the place name is. Sharon in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Smith" <Lee.Smith@oss.wa.gov.au> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:06 PM > Hello, > I am trying to locate the birth details for a John Smith who was born > abt 1829 in Herefordshire. The birth certificates of his children, my > great great grandfather, state Herefordshire as his birth place. There > is a mention on his sons birth cert that John was born in ?march..... > Herefordshire. I cant make out the spelling. > Hoping you can help me. > thanks > Lee Smith

We would of course need more details than this. When and why did he emigrate or did he? Where to? Did he marry in England? Were all his children born elsewhere or in Engl? >From what you Much Marcle is possible. Steve Kelsey -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Smith Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:07 PM To: ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com Subject: [HEF] FW: Welcome to the "ENG-HEREFORD" mailing list (Digest mode) Hello, I am trying to locate the birth details for a John Smith who was born abt 1829 in Herefordshire. The birth certificates of his children, my great great grandfather, state Herefordshire as his birth place. There is a mention on his sons birth cert that John was born in ?march..... Herefordshire. I cant make out the spelling. Hoping you can help me. thanks Lee Smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-hereford-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2008 7:03 AM To: Lee Smith Subject: Welcome to the "ENG-HEREFORD" mailing list (Digest mode) Welcome to the ENG-HEREFORD mailing list! To post a message to this list, send your email to: ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com General information about the mailing list, including links to the list archives, can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-HEREFORD.html To unsubscribe from the list, including the list digest, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. Sincerely, The ENG-HEREFORD List Administrator ENG-HEREFORD-admin@rootsweb.com ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

lee, There are several John's around that time born in Herfordshire. Below is on Christened in June. Judy SMITH, John Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 19 Jun 1829 Recorded in: Bromyard, Herefordshire, England Father: Thomas SMITH Mother: Mary Source: FHL Film 992639 Dates: 1821 - 1874 In a message dated 06/09/08 16:07:36 Pacific Daylight Time, Lee.Smith@oss.wa.gov.au writes: Hello, I am trying to locate the birth details for a John Smith who was born abt 1829 in Herefordshire. The birth certificates of his children, my great great grandfather, state Herefordshire as his birth place. There is a mention on his sons birth cert that John was born in ?march..... Herefordshire. I cant make out the spelling. Hoping you can help me. thanks Lee Smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-hereford-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2008 7:03 AM To: Lee Smith Subject: Welcome to the "ENG-HEREFORD" mailing list (Digest mode) Welcome to the ENG-HEREFORD mailing list! To post a message to this list, send your email to: ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com General information about the mailing list, including links to the list archives, can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-HEREFORD.html To unsubscribe from the list, including the list digest, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. Sincerely, The ENG-HEREFORD List Administrator ENG-HEREFORD-admin@rootsweb.com ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, I am currently helping a relative whose grandparents lived for a time in Wellington, c. 1917 - 1920s, details below. I would be pleased if anyone could could tell me what occupation John may have had there, as he had previously been a coal miner in South Wales, but came from a farming background in Anglesey, where the family eventually settled. Their children were: 1. Hugh Robert HUGHES, born 1911 at Penbailey, Llanfabon 2. Annie May [HUGHES] NIXON born Wellington, Hereford, 1917 3. Rowland John HUGHES, born Wellington, Hereford, 1922. Taken prisoner of war and died from injuries aged 22 in March 1945. No known grave, memorial plaque in Holland 4. Cecilia Mary [HUGHES] NOBLE born Anglesey 1924 An address in Wellington would be nice to have also. Thanks for any help, WENDY

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Polly, Thanks for that. Do you know if it will also say when they married - as I have been unable to find this either. Regards Jan

Thanks so much for that Polly!! How close is Hereford to Knighton - maybe they were in an old persons home? Two clearances anyway!! Regards Jan ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan If you order the certificates you will find out where they were at the time of their deaths and what their usual address was (if for instance they were in hospital - the main county hospital for Herefordshire being in Hereford). Knighton is not in the Hereford RD so obviously neither of them died there, but that doesn't mean to say that they weren't living there. Also once you have the actual date of death the local papers may have an obit or death notice which may add to your knowledge. HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan & Stuart Moon" <stu_jan52@activ8.net.au> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [HEF] ALFRED LEWIS PATTERSON HIMBURY b Chertsey, Surrey abt 1901 Thanks so much for that Polly!! How close is Hereford to Knighton - maybe they were in an old persons home? Two clearances anyway!! Regards Jan ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I am trying to find out about this man, and also his wife Rowena, who was my great aunt. Alfred was the son of William Henry Himbury, b 1871 Duck Street, Sherbourne, Dorset.He was the son of John Himbury and Sarah Emma Eversden. William married Laura Annie Eversden 20 April 1899. Laura was the half sister of William's mother, his grandfather having married twice. William joined the British Cotton Growing Association in 1904, and was Knighted in 1830, a year after his wife's death. William and Laura had four children. Reginald William Hayward (Rex), born 21st March 1900 at Byfleet Road, in Surrey. Alfred Lewis Paterson, born in 1901 at Chertsey. Ralph Arthur Basil (Basil), born in 1907 in Stockport, and Dorothy Vera Patricia, born on 26th February 1909 at Springfield, Cheadle. My great aunt, Rowena Edith Ronald, was born in Armidale, NSW, Australia 7 Nov 1903. She married William H Brown in Sydney, Australia in 1925. At some stage William died, but William Brown is a common name and I haven't found it so far. Anyway, at some time Rowena Edith Brown, widow, married Alfred Lewis Patterson Himbury. (He had the title of Major, left over from WWII perhaps??) A L P Himbury died December 1976, I haven't been able to confirm this, but it is what I was told by Rowena in 1978. Rowena died in Hereford in 1996.

Hi Jan According to the GRO index (on FamilyRelatives) Alfred also died in the Hereford Registration District: 1976 Dec HIMBURY Alfred Lewis P 10 JE 1901 Hereford 29 0400 You can purchase the certificate online at: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ All you need is the above information and a credit/debit card good for £7. Likewise here is Rowena's death entry from the GRO index (courtesy of Ancestry this time): 1996 HIMBURY Rowena Edith 07 NO 1903 Hereford B19D 60 0296 HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan & Stuart Moon" <stu_jan52@activ8.net.au> To: <ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com>; <DORSET@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: [HEF] ALFRED LEWIS PATTERSON HIMBURY b Chertsey, Surrey abt 1901 Hello I am trying to find out about this man, and also his wife Rowena, who was my great aunt. Alfred was the son of William Henry Himbury, b 1871 Duck Street, Sherbourne, Dorset.He was the son of John Himbury and Sarah Emma Eversden. William married Laura Annie Eversden 20 April 1899. Laura was the half sister of William's mother, his grandfather having married twice. William joined the British Cotton Growing Association in 1904, and was Knighted in 1830, a year after his wife's death. William and Laura had four children. Reginald William Hayward (Rex), born 21st March 1900 at Byfleet Road, in Surrey. Alfred Lewis Paterson, born in 1901 at Chertsey. Ralph Arthur Basil (Basil), born in 1907 in Stockport, and Dorothy Vera Patricia, born on 26th February 1909 at Springfield, Cheadle. My great aunt, Rowena Edith Ronald, was born in Armidale, NSW, Australia 7 Nov 1903. She married William H Brown in Sydney, Australia in 1925. At some stage William died, but William Brown is a common name and I haven't found it so far. Anyway, at some time Rowena Edith Brown, widow, married Alfred Lewis Patterson Himbury. (He had the title of Major, left over from WWII perhaps??) A L P Himbury died December 1976, I haven't been able to confirm this, but it is what I was told by Rowena in 1978. Rowena died in Hereford in 1996. ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mary Jane, Sorry to be so long in getting a reply off. I have Phillips in Suckley WOR. First siting is a William born abt 1801. You wouldn't be missing a William born about that time frame? Heather in Canada Mimi's Email Account wrote: > I am researching PHILLIPS in Herefordshire in the 1700s. I'd be grateful for > any help.. > All good wishes, > Mary Jane Phillips > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MJen512444@aol.com> > To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 4:07 AM > Subject: Re: [HEF] ENG-HEREFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 115 > > > >> Hello Heather, >> >> I am sorry, but I do not have the details in front of me now, but I will >> work from memory as much as possible. >> >> I have a Beavan connection. It was a Thomas Beavan of Skynlas in >> Glasbury >> and he was a cousin of my Thomas Pugh of Llandeilo Graban. There is a >> will >> that tells this. The time element is right too. >> >> I did some searching some years ago, and found a few Beavan marriages. >> One >> married a Hargest. >> >> I cannot recall a Lewis at present though. My lot married by licence. >> >> If there are any clues in there for starters, then do get in touch. >> >> I have just checked your name, and I should tell you that I also have >> Smith >> who married my Pugh. >> >> My Smith family started in Kington, Hereford in 1755 with a Jonas Smith. >> He >> firstly married a Catherine Clee, then she died in 1796 if memory serves >> me >> right, and he then married my ancestress in 1801 in Colva. >> >> All these surnames can become very complicated but they do seem to stick >> in >> the mind. >> >> Sorry if I have not been very much help at present. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Maureen >> Rhondda >> >> >> >> >> ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- >> A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I have a grt-grandmother who is buried in Hereford Cemetery. Her name was ADA PRESSEY who died 1930 about 2 years before I was born. She was married to HENRY PHILLIP PRESSEY now deceased. I never knew these grt-grandparents nor did my mother speak of them. It is only in recent years that I have learned of them and checked all the information I could. They travelled around rather a bit as Grt-grandfather was a Master Mariner who worked for the War Department. Cannot get any Records for his time working for the War Department. I believe he ended up as a Thames Pilot before he retired. Is there anyone who would be kind enough to find time and take any photographs of the headstone for ADA. Grt-grandfather is not there as he remarried after ADA died and lived in London near the Thames. Thank you. April Clark. New Forest

Thanks again Heather, This would be my expectation too except my real interest or concern is about the people doing the work right in the soil (as it were). I guess someone who grew only hops (if that happened, I don't know) just did the sensible thing with their cash. Australian woolgrowers manage between annual wool clips. cheers, David On 31/05/2008, at 11:03 AM, Heather & Chris Lord wrote: > Hi David > > I think the answer to your query would be "Farmer" or "Hop Grower". > > If someone was growing hops, they would have owned (or rented?) the > land the > hops were grown on, so wouldn't be "ag labs". > > Farmers probably had other crops or animals as well as hops, so hop > growing > would only be a small part of what they did - unless they only grew > hops, > which I would think would be fairly unlikely. If the crops were only > harvested once a year, what would they have lived on for the rest of > the > year? > > Regards > Heather > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Daniell > Sent: 29 May 2008 20:18 > To: Herefordshire Rootsweb > Subject: [HEF] Hops > > > Can anyone tell me the correct description in the old censuses of > people whose main occupation was growing hops? > Or was this perforce a seasonal occupation? > (so at census time they would not have been doing that?) > Would they have been classes as ag-labs or would it have required > enough skill to be regarded as a separate 'trade'? > > I notice in a recent message someone is described as a hop-planter. > Might > this have been someone who owned a plantation as distinct from > an employee who planted them and trained them onto sticks etc? > > Thanks for any advice, > David > > "14th October 1793, Sun Newspaper, London > A few days since, at St. John's Worcester, Mr ROLLASON, Printer & > Bookseller, Coventry, married to Miss OVEN, daughter of the late Mr > James > OVEN, Hop-planter and Grazier, Dilwyn Herefordshire > Diane J." > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Heather, This is nice of you. I have never expressed interest in or been interested in the picking of hops or whoever may have done it! That is just what everyone wants to write to the List about or to me about! And that is, I suppose, what a List is "about", what people Want to write in about. From the first line of my first letter to the list on Hops - this is what I want to know: "Can anyone tell me the correct description in the old censuses of people whose main occupation was growing hops?" (first line of message dated 30 May 2008) I've explained why I doubt some of the commentary since made. thanks david On 31/05/2008, at 10:20 AM, Heather & Chris Lord wrote: > Hi David and all > > My great grandfather was involved in hop growing in Kent. (It is > believed > that he owned the smallest oast house in Kent, and one of the oldest). > > My Mum wrote a piece about her childhood, part of which says > > "Until WW2 my mother did not work outside the home, except for the > annual 3 > weeks spent picking hops at Harold Wilkinson's farm at Farningham, > on the > Benenden/Golford road, where my grandfather Santer was the hop drier, > working day and night in the oast where he had a rough bed. Aunt > Edie would > cycle from Golford with his meals. Drying hops was a very skilled > job, and > the fire, which in those days was a coal one, needed expert > attention." > > and: > > "Depending on the number of pickers in a family was the decision to > have a > bin or half a bin. Hops were picked in bins which were constructed > from > sacking secured to a wooden pole frame and, I think, would hold > around 40 > bushels. We picked in sets, so many bins to a set and so > many"hills". A hill > contained a certain number of "bines". When a set had been cleared, > the bins > were moved to another set. In this way every one had a share of > "good" and > "bad" sets. > > Earlier in the year, about May, women had been employed in hop > training. The > best bines in each hill were selected to grow up the strings to the > overhead > wire framework, and the weaker ones pulled out. The hops had to be > trained > three times with a period of time between each training. Aunt Nell > was a > regular and experienced hop trainer and later my mother did > training,though > not at the same farm. Hop training was also called hop tying." > > Hope this helps > Regards > Heather > now in Oz > but born & bred in Kent > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Daniell > Sent: 29 May 2008 20:18 > To: Herefordshire Rootsweb > Subject: [HEF] Hops > > > Can anyone tell me the correct description in the old censuses of > people whose main occupation was growing hops? > Or was this perforce a seasonal occupation? > (so at census time they would not have been doing that?) > Would they have been classes as ag-labs or would it have required > enough skill to be regarded as a separate 'trade'? > > I notice in a recent message someone is described as a hop-planter. > Might > this have been someone who owned a plantation as distinct from > an employee who planted them and trained them onto sticks etc? > > Thanks for any advice, > David > > "14th October 1793, Sun Newspaper, London > A few days since, at St. John's Worcester, Mr ROLLASON, Printer & > Bookseller, Coventry, married to Miss OVEN, daughter of the late Mr > James > OVEN, Hop-planter and Grazier, Dilwyn Herefordshire > Diane J." > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi David I have plenty of other ways to occupy my time than to write to the list. I write to the list when I have a query, or when I have something to say which may help another lister. What I was trying to point out - and what I said in my 2nd message to the list - is that the occupation would've been simply "Farmer" or "Hop Grower". Heather -----Original Message----- From: David Daniell [mailto:ddaniell@woosh.co.nz] Sent: 31 May 2008 07:06 To: Herefordshire Rootsweb; Heather & Chris Lord Cc: TERRY DIPPLE Subject: Re: [HEF] Hops Hi Heather, This is nice of you. I have never expressed interest in or been interested in the picking of hops or whoever may have done it! That is just what everyone wants to write to the List about or to me about! And that is, I suppose, what a List is "about", what people Want to write in about. From the first line of my first letter to the list on Hops - this is what I want to know: "Can anyone tell me the correct description in the old censuses of people whose main occupation was growing hops?" (first line of message dated 30 May 2008) I've explained why I doubt some of the commentary since made. thanks david On 31/05/2008, at 10:20 AM, Heather & Chris Lord wrote: > Hi David and all > > My great grandfather was involved in hop growing in Kent. (It is > believed > that he owned the smallest oast house in Kent, and one of the oldest). > > My Mum wrote a piece about her childhood, part of which says > > "Until WW2 my mother did not work outside the home, except for the > annual 3 > weeks spent picking hops at Harold Wilkinson's farm at Farningham, > on the > Benenden/Golford road, where my grandfather Santer was the hop drier, > working day and night in the oast where he had a rough bed. Aunt > Edie would > cycle from Golford with his meals. Drying hops was a very skilled > job, and > the fire, which in those days was a coal one, needed expert > attention." > > and: > > "Depending on the number of pickers in a family was the decision to > have a > bin or half a bin. Hops were picked in bins which were constructed > from > sacking secured to a wooden pole frame and, I think, would hold > around 40 > bushels. We picked in sets, so many bins to a set and so > many"hills". A hill > contained a certain number of "bines". When a set had been cleared, > the bins > were moved to another set. In this way every one had a share of > "good" and > "bad" sets. > > Earlier in the year, about May, women had been employed in hop > training. The > best bines in each hill were selected to grow up the strings to the > overhead > wire framework, and the weaker ones pulled out. The hops had to be > trained > three times with a period of time between each training. Aunt Nell > was a > regular and experienced hop trainer and later my mother did > training,though > not at the same farm. Hop training was also called hop tying." > > Hope this helps > Regards > Heather > now in Oz > but born & bred in Kent > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Daniell > Sent: 29 May 2008 20:18 > To: Herefordshire Rootsweb > Subject: [HEF] Hops > > > Can anyone tell me the correct description in the old censuses of > people whose main occupation was growing hops? Or was this perforce a > seasonal occupation? (so at census time they would not have been doing > that?) Would they have been classes as ag-labs or would it have > required enough skill to be regarded as a separate 'trade'? > > I notice in a recent message someone is described as a hop-planter. > Might > this have been someone who owned a plantation as distinct from > an employee who planted them and trained them onto sticks etc? > > Thanks for any advice, > David > > "14th October 1793, Sun Newspaper, London > A few days since, at St. John's Worcester, Mr ROLLASON, Printer & > Bookseller, Coventry, married to Miss OVEN, daughter of the late Mr > James OVEN, Hop-planter and Grazier, Dilwyn Herefordshire > Diane J." > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi David I think the answer to your query would be "Farmer" or "Hop Grower". If someone was growing hops, they would have owned (or rented?) the land the hops were grown on, so wouldn't be "ag labs". Farmers probably had other crops or animals as well as hops, so hop growing would only be a small part of what they did - unless they only grew hops, which I would think would be fairly unlikely. If the crops were only harvested once a year, what would they have lived on for the rest of the year? Regards Heather -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Daniell Sent: 29 May 2008 20:18 To: Herefordshire Rootsweb Subject: [HEF] Hops Can anyone tell me the correct description in the old censuses of people whose main occupation was growing hops? Or was this perforce a seasonal occupation? (so at census time they would not have been doing that?) Would they have been classes as ag-labs or would it have required enough skill to be regarded as a separate 'trade'? I notice in a recent message someone is described as a hop-planter. Might this have been someone who owned a plantation as distinct from an employee who planted them and trained them onto sticks etc? Thanks for any advice, David "14th October 1793, Sun Newspaper, London A few days since, at St. John's Worcester, Mr ROLLASON, Printer & Bookseller, Coventry, married to Miss OVEN, daughter of the late Mr James OVEN, Hop-planter and Grazier, Dilwyn Herefordshire Diane J." ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David and all My great grandfather was involved in hop growing in Kent. (It is believed that he owned the smallest oast house in Kent, and one of the oldest). My Mum wrote a piece about her childhood, part of which says "Until WW2 my mother did not work outside the home, except for the annual 3 weeks spent picking hops at Harold Wilkinson's farm at Farningham, on the Benenden/Golford road, where my grandfather Santer was the hop drier, working day and night in the oast where he had a rough bed. Aunt Edie would cycle from Golford with his meals. Drying hops was a very skilled job, and the fire, which in those days was a coal one, needed expert attention." and: "Depending on the number of pickers in a family was the decision to have a bin or half a bin. Hops were picked in bins which were constructed from sacking secured to a wooden pole frame and, I think, would hold around 40 bushels. We picked in sets, so many bins to a set and so many"hills". A hill contained a certain number of "bines". When a set had been cleared, the bins were moved to another set. In this way every one had a share of "good" and "bad" sets. Earlier in the year, about May, women had been employed in hop training. The best bines in each hill were selected to grow up the strings to the overhead wire framework, and the weaker ones pulled out. The hops had to be trained three times with a period of time between each training. Aunt Nell was a regular and experienced hop trainer and later my mother did training,though not at the same farm. Hop training was also called hop tying." Hope this helps Regards Heather now in Oz but born & bred in Kent -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Daniell Sent: 29 May 2008 20:18 To: Herefordshire Rootsweb Subject: [HEF] Hops Can anyone tell me the correct description in the old censuses of people whose main occupation was growing hops? Or was this perforce a seasonal occupation? (so at census time they would not have been doing that?) Would they have been classes as ag-labs or would it have required enough skill to be regarded as a separate 'trade'? I notice in a recent message someone is described as a hop-planter. Might this have been someone who owned a plantation as distinct from an employee who planted them and trained them onto sticks etc? Thanks for any advice, David "14th October 1793, Sun Newspaper, London A few days since, at St. John's Worcester, Mr ROLLASON, Printer & Bookseller, Coventry, married to Miss OVEN, daughter of the late Mr James OVEN, Hop-planter and Grazier, Dilwyn Herefordshire Diane J." ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Daily News Friday March 26th 1852 Assize Intelligence William FOX and Charles HORNSBY, respectively aged 21, were charged with having, on the night of the 13th of December at Lyonshall burglariously broken and entered the dwelling house of one Mary CHAMBERS and, with menace and threat put her in bodily fear, with intent to steal her moneys and goods. The prosecutrix stands in the relation of aunt to the prisoner FOX and it was well known to him that she had lately received a considerable sum of money. It appears that FOX engaged the assistance of HORNSBY in Leominster and on the evening preceding the night of the robbery the two ruffians set out to Lyonshall in the neighbourhood of Kington, for the purpose of robbing the old woman's house. He tried also to procure the assistance of a "conjuror" in Leominster and proposed to him that he should keep watch at the door, armed with a gun, and he was to blow any person's brains out who might attempt to escape from the house. The "conjurer" however, declined to engage in the expedition.... .....They presented the gun at the old woman and threatened........terribly affrighting her and rendering her insensible....All the time this was proceeding a son of the old woman (a stout young man of from 25 to 30 years of age) lay in his bed and watched all that was going on without attempting to interfere. Mr Baron PLATT severely reproached him at the trial for his cowardice. Fortunately the old woman had deposited her money in Kington and the burglars ultimately left without obtaining any plunder. Superintendent LAWLEY of Kington received information of the burglary........and from something he heard went to Leominster and gave information to Superintendent McCROKAN of that place, who speedily apprehended the parties. Their shoes were compared with the tracks in the garden.....The Jury found the prisoners both guilty. Mr PLATT sentenced each of them to be transported for ten years. Diane J. Researching PRICE of Lyonshall and none of the above