Hi Wendy The early 1900s Electoral Rolls for Herefordshire are at the Reference Library opposite the Cathedral. The CRO does have a few but only a complete run from 1918 onwards. HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLawday@aol.com> To: <ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 2:22 AM Subject: [HEF] ELECTORALROLLS Can someone tell me where the electoral rolls for early 1900s Hereford [Wellington] district are held? Thaks for any help, WENDY ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Polly and Linda, will investigate, WENDY

Can someone tell me where the electoral rolls for early 1900s Hereford [Wellington] district are held? Thaks for any help, WENDY

Thank you to Polly who has offered to take a photograph when she is next in Bromyard. Thank you to the other people for their suggestions. Regards June ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Terry As MI Co-ordinator I think that her time is already full enough, without asking for photos from town cemeteries some distance from where she lives! I have already offered (off-list!) to obtain a photo on my next visit to Bromyard (not quite so easy now I no longer live there myself!). Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "TERRY DIPPLE" <tadip44@cinci.rr.com> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Cc: <Goldingangj@aol.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [HEF] Bromyard Town Cemetery June - try contacting Angie Golding - Goldingangj@aol.com. She is the MI coordinator for Herefordshire. Regards - Terry -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of June Chan Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:00 PM To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Subject: [HEF] Bromyard Town Cemetery Is there anyone on the list who would be able to take a photo of the grave of my great grandmother Maria Wallwyn who is buried in the Bromyard town Cemetery. I have the plot listed as C128. I am happy to pay reasonable expenses. Anyone interested please contact me off list. Thank you. June ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there anyone on the list who would be able to take a photo of the grave of my great grandmother Maria Wallwyn who is buried in the Bromyard town Cemetery. I have the plot listed as C128. I am happy to pay reasonable expenses. Anyone interested please contact me off list. Thank you. June

Thanks to everyone who has answered on this subject . kindest regards , Buddug Hollett

June - try contacting Angie Golding - Goldingangj@aol.com. She is the MI coordinator for Herefordshire. Regards - Terry -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of June Chan Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:00 PM To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Subject: [HEF] Bromyard Town Cemetery Is there anyone on the list who would be able to take a photo of the grave of my great grandmother Maria Wallwyn who is buried in the Bromyard town Cemetery. I have the plot listed as C128. I am happy to pay reasonable expenses. Anyone interested please contact me off list. Thank you. June ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marriage between a brother and sister is forbidden in the Bible according to Leviticus chapter 20 verse 17. Modern translations use the word "marry", but my King James Bible translation is thus: " If a man shall take his sister...and see her nakedness...it is a wicked thing." Presumably at this time within the Christian Church the Latin Vulgate Bible would have been used, and I am no Latin scholar! We must assume that this relationship would have been banned within the Jewish and Christian faiths from the earliest times. Viv From: "J K gen" <gen2mail@googlemail.com> > > The table of 'who could not marry who' (at that time) is set out at the back of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. > > Useful for 17th-21st century, but perhaps not for the twelfth century. > > Sibling marriages were the norm for the Pharoahs/gods of Egypt, but I > doubt this is relevant to your researches!

> The table of 'who could not marry who' (at that time) is set out at the back of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. Useful for 17th-21st century, but perhaps not for the twelfth century. Sibling marriages were the norm for the Pharoahs/gods of Egypt, but I doubt this is relevant to your researches! JK

Hi Buddug, It seems to me most of the correspondence on this list is about the second half of the nineteenth century! Have you tried this list? <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GEN-MEDIEVAL.html > cheers David On 19/06/2008, at 10:00 PM, BuddugH@aol.com wrote: > A strange question to all of the historians amongst you . According > to all > the files available for the De Lacey family in the LDS site ,it > seems that the > De Lacey's come into my tree in the early 1100's . I know that > these files > are not always accurate but I found a Roger De Lacey born c 1062 > who married > an Emma .Now all these files have Emma as the daughter of Walter de > lacey and > Ermiline Fitz Osbern who were also the parents of Roger . I know > that this > family were pretty important people BUT if the files have it > right ,would a > marriage be allowed ? I 'd be interested to hear your views on the > matter . > regards, > Buddug Hollett > > > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

The table of 'who could not marry who' (at that time) is set out at the back of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. John Watkins -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Polly Rubery Sent: 19 June 2008 18:57 To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HEF] Marriage between brother and sister in the 1000 >>It seems to me most of the correspondence on this list is about the second half of the nineteenth century!<< However the Topic for the List includes family and local history of any date! But you will probably find more informed replies on a Medieval List! And while by no means an expert, I believe that sibling marriages were always within the prohibited degrees of relationship. Polly ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email and any files and/or attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. CAFCASS makes reasonable attempts to exclude from this e-mail and any attachments viruses, or any other defect which might affect your computer or IT system, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and CAFCASS accepts no liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from their receipt or use. This email and any files and/or attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. CAFCASS makes reasonable attempts to exclude from this e-mail and any attachments viruses, or any other defect which might affect your computer or IT system, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and CAFCASS accepts no liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from their receipt or use.

>>It seems to me most of the correspondence on this list is about the second half of the nineteenth century!<< However the Topic for the List includes family and local history of any date! But you will probably find more informed replies on a Medieval List! And while by no means an expert, I believe that sibling marriages were always within the prohibited degrees of relationship. Polly

Thanks for your reply. Buddug

A strange question to all of the historians amongst you . According to all the files available for the De Lacey family in the LDS site ,it seems that the De Lacey's come into my tree in the early 1100's . I know that these files are not always accurate but I found a Roger De Lacey born c 1062 who married an Emma .Now all these files have Emma as the daughter of Walter de lacey and Ermiline Fitz Osbern who were also the parents of Roger . I know that this family were pretty important people BUT if the files have it right ,would a marriage be allowed ? I 'd be interested to hear your views on the matter . regards, Buddug Hollett

Thanks Polly Just have to keep searching I know. There is a Rowand Himbury in business in Welshpool, such an unusual name - I have written to him, so will keep my fingers crossed. Regards Jan

Hello Listers Well I send for this man's father's death certificate because I though it may give me info about his wife, but she was not mentioned. I have also sent for her death cert to see if that enlightens me further. I saw an obituary for the father (Alfred Lewis Paterson Himbury, d 23 Dec 1976) which mentioned a daughter Rowna, but I think they were mixing the son and the wife up. The wife's name was Rowena Edith Himbury (b 1903, NSW, Australia). I am still trying to find a marriage date for Rowena and Alfred (known as Pat) - I know it was after 1935 as that is when her divorce from her first husband became final. I have found no trace in Australia, and I know the family lived in Knighton, Powys for a fair while. I'd appreciate any advice for where to go next. TIA Regards Jan Moon Daintree, Australia

Hi Wendy It may well be that John was still working as a coalminer in S Wales when his daughter was born, or he may have been serving in the forces (this was during the time of the First World War). As the son was born well after that it may well be that he had settled down on a small holding in Wellington by then. You need to see if the children were baptised at Wellington - if so you may get a more likely occupation for their father in the baptism register. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLawday@aol.com> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [HEF] COAL MINES WELLINGTON Dear Polly, Yes we thought it was strange. The man in question, JOHN HUGHES, was a coal miner in Glamorgan before moving to Wellington. From the reply to my previous enquiry on the ilst he was a coal miner at the birth of his daugher in 1917, Wellington, and a farmer on the birth certificate of his next child, Rowland, born Wellington 1921. 2. Annie May [HUGHES] NIXON born Wellington, Hereford, 1916 Father’s occupation, coal miner. Died at Basingstoke 24 Dec. 1966 3. Rowland John HUGHES, born Wellington, Hereford, 1921 Father’s occupation, a farmer. [I suspect farm worker] Taken prisoner of war and died from injuries aged 22 in March 1945. No known grave, memorial plaque in Holland John came from a rural background on Anglesey and must have given up mining when he moved to Wellington. The family's first language was [and stil is] Welsh but they were bilingual. They had two other children who were not born in Herefordshire. Thanks very much for the reply, it is a great help and I think confirms that he had given up coal mining. Best regards, WENDY ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan If you think that they married in England then you need to search the GRO marriage index until you find it. If the wife was named Rowena, then it is quite possible that they would have given a daughter the same name - once you find their marriage you then need to search the GRO birth index to locate any children they may have had. If she was married before their marriage certificate will give you her maiden name, and this is what you need to search for amongst the HIMBURY births. Good luck Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan & Stuart Moon" <stu_jan52@activ8.net.au> To: <ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: [HEF] ROWAND WILLIAM VALDEN HIMBURY b 1940+? Hello Listers Well I send for this man's father's death certificate because I though it may give me info about his wife, but she was not mentioned. I have also sent for her death cert to see if that enlightens me further. I saw an obituary for the father (Alfred Lewis Paterson Himbury, d 23 Dec 1976) which mentioned a daughter Rowna, but I think they were mixing the son and the wife up. The wife's name was Rowena Edith Himbury (b 1903, NSW, Australia). I am still trying to find a marriage date for Rowena and Alfred (known as Pat) - I know it was after 1935 as that is when her divorce from her first husband became final. I have found no trace in Australia, and I know the family lived in Knighton, Powys for a fair while. I'd appreciate any advice for where to go next. TIA Regards Jan Moon Daintree, Australia ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wendy As far as I know there were no coal mines near to Wellington, Herefordshire. If you have a birth certificate for a birth there which names the father as a coal-miner then what you are probably looking at is a birth to a woman in the area for hop-picking (if around September time), having come either from S Wales or the Black Country area, where of course there were plenty of mines. Perhaps a little more information on why you are asking would help to answer your question more definitively. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLawday@aol.com> To: <ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:17 AM Subject: [HEF] COAL MINES WELLINGTON Could anyone give me the name and location of any coal mines in the Wellington area 1920s? Thanks, WENDYY ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message