David - I had a similar occurrence with mine being taken off Tribalpages by someone I thought was trustworthy, and then given to someone else on Genes Reunited. It's frustrating, but the only thing I've done since, is change my password frequently. The "poacher" hasn't come back since. Regards - Terry -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Matthews Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:42 AM To: Herefordshire Mailing List Subject: [HEF] Advice please - publication of plagiarised tree - GREENLY of Herefordshire This is slightly off topic but as this relates to a Herefordshire research, I thought it appropriate to seek advice here. I recently decided that it was time to publish one of my family trees to ensure that the information that I have gathered over the last decade was made more widely available. The tree in question covers my maternal ancestors - the GREENLY family of Herefordshire - and dates back all the way to the 15thC and runs to the present day with over 600 individuals catalogued (with perhaps a further 300 still to add). It is supported by many thousands of hours of research and several shelves full of supporting documentation. Upon uploading the GEDCOM to Ancestry yesterday, I discovered that my tree has already been published by someone in the USA claiming it as their own work. I had assisted this individual a few months ago, sending them a copy of the GEDCOM to enable them to check for intersections with their own line. Needless to say, I had not been asked whether my work could be published and no credit is given to me. In fact, the tree in question consists of over 3000 individuals and appears to be a conglomeration of the work of several serious and committed researchers (at least one other tree included is well known to me and is the work of an excellent and scholarly genealogist in California with whom I have corresponded for several years). Quite apart from the mindless audacity of the publication, those who have used Ancestry to publish trees will know that the software now offers 'hints' where other information in the Ancestry database appears to match the data in your tree. As a result of the publication of the plagiarised data therefore, I now get a 'hint' for every single individual in my tree, making it impossible to distinguish genuine matches which may advance my research. In frustration, I have therefore decided to delete my tree from Ancestry rather than add the source citations and background that would have created such a rich family and social history. The status quo therefore is that the data is in the public domain but the 'author' has not one useful scrap of knowledge to support the work and anyone enquiring about, or challenging the information will be met with blissful ignorance. Has anyone had any similar experiences? Does anyone know whether Ancestry would do anything about plagiarism which only serves to undermine the whole purpose of publication? Thanks in advance, David Matthews ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, Thanks for the image, beautiful handwriting and it looks just like what you say it is! Can you put it on a blog or something so other people can see the image? My guess would be the enumerator could not read his own rough notes! but I don't know Hereford. David On 24/08/2008, at 9:35 PM, John Vaughan wrote: > Hi Daniel > It was transcribed as Broomsdoine, Herefordshire, England. > Broomdowne was my guess. I have attached a image

It was transcribed as Broomsdoine, Herefordshire, England. Broomsdowne was my interpretation -- John Vaughan Adelaide Australia vaughanj@adam.com.au Skype # vaughanjh1 Surname interests Worcestershire : - Vaughan, Hill, Jones, Hicken, Hemus Devon : - Blackmore, Ryan Somerset : - Ryan, Pleece, Amesbury Norfolk : - Goreham, Gorham, Bridges, Chaplin, Chapling

Hi Norman I am no relation but if you do not have the family in 1841 census, I can send details. There is a spare James LEWIS living with him who is b.c. 1827. Maybe he would be of some help? Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Rowcroft" <rowcroft@waitrose.com> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: [HEF] George LEWIS >

Hi John, Is "Broomsdowne" what the handwritten word looks like to you on the image or is that what the transcriber decided to guess it might be? thanks David On 24/08/2008, at 4:26 PM, John Vaughan wrote: > In the 1851 census I have found a John Freeman born in Broomsdowne > Herefordshire, I have been unable to find on a map. Any ideas > > -- > > John Vaughan > Adelaide Australia > vaughanj@adam.com.au > > > > Surname interests > Worcestershire : - Vaughan, Hill, Jones, Hicken, Hemus

In the 1851 census I have found a John Freeman born in Broomsdowne Herefordshire, I have been unable to find on a map. Any ideas -- John Vaughan Adelaide Australia vaughanj@adam.com.au Surname interests Worcestershire : - Vaughan, Hill, Jones, Hicken, Hemus

George LEWIS was born c1809, probably in Hereford, and married Ann Matthews in 1829 at Clehonger. They subsequently moved to Hay on Wye. They were my wife Gwlythin's 2x gt grandparents and had 5 children born between 1833 and 1845. The eldest, George, is the one my wife is descended from. The others were Peter, Charles Edmund and William. Both Georges were millers. George (1833) married into the Handley family who were also millers. I have met a brick wall at George (1809). If any lister is researching this family I should be pleased to hear from them. Norman

John, What about Bromsberrow, just over the border into Gloucestershire? Three miles from Ledbury. Regards, Alec Whitfield from North Herefordshire UK alec.whitfield@tiscali.co.uk I search the web and raise money for charity with Everyclick. Join me: http://www.everyclick.com/alecwhitfield

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can some one advise if William Lewis beleived to be a Machine Maker is shown on the 1851 census of Dilwin is so I would like to know the location of birth for both Head of Family and Wife Elizabeth Regards Bob Wilesmith NSW Australia

Elizabeth was born Little Hereford, Hereford and William in Dilwin. Helen in Seattle In a message dated 8/23/2008 3:54:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wiler.bob@bigpond.com writes: can some one advise if William Lewis beleived to be a Machine Maker is shown on the 1851 census of Dilwin is so I would like to know the location of birth for both Head of Family and Wife Elizabeth Regards Bob Wilesmith NSW Australia ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Thank you, Heather. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather & Chris Lord" <lordelec@eftel.net.au> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [HEF] WATHEN Family in Heref. > Hi Bill > > Sorry I can't help with your WATHENs. I just wanted to say I like your > sense of humour - I almost choked on my breakfast when I read your "golf" > comment ;-) > > Cheers > from Heather > in Perth, Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bill waathen > Sent: 20 August 2008 08:56 > To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HEF] WATHEN Family in Heref. > > > Thank you, Jo. > > I know what you're talking about......the A2A tab at the British National > Archives website. Thank you, will do some digging there. I have the time > now because I'm retired and I'm too stupid to play golf. > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sitcom" <sitcom@dsl.pipex.com> > To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: [HEF] WATHEN Family in Heref. > > >> Just had a try at couple of sites, and the a2a site, doing a search >> for spelling WATHEN, came up with 167 catalogues. Some cover >> Herefordshire and Gloucestershire along with other places, >> and go back yonkers. Including James Wathen of Hereford, glover. 1793 >> think some earlier. >> Means quite a bit of time to go through, but could possbly be >> interesting >> to >> you. >> Jo. >> >> >> ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- >> A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: >> 8/19/2008 >> 6:04 AM >> >> >> > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1623 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 > 8:12 AM > > >

Hi Bill Sorry I can't help with your WATHENs. I just wanted to say I like your sense of humour - I almost choked on my breakfast when I read your "golf" comment ;-) Cheers from Heather in Perth, Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hereford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bill waathen Sent: 20 August 2008 08:56 To: eng-hereford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HEF] WATHEN Family in Heref. Thank you, Jo. I know what you're talking about......the A2A tab at the British National Archives website. Thank you, will do some digging there. I have the time now because I'm retired and I'm too stupid to play golf. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "sitcom" <sitcom@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [HEF] WATHEN Family in Heref. > Just had a try at couple of sites, and the a2a site, doing a search > for spelling WATHEN, came up with 167 catalogues. Some cover > Herefordshire and Gloucestershire along with other places, > and go back yonkers. Including James Wathen of Hereford, glover. 1793 > think some earlier. > Means quite a bit of time to go through, but could possbly be > interesting > to > you. > Jo. > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: > 8/19/2008 > 6:04 AM > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diane, There is the following entry in the Eardisley Parish Burial Register, copied from the microfilm: 1887; William Andrew PRICE; Willersley; March 25th; 4 days. He was buried on his own. The previous Eardisley burial was on 12 March, and the next one on July 18. Regards, Alec Whitfield from North Herefordshire UK alec.whitfield@tiscali.co.uk I search the web and raise money for charity with Everyclick. Join me: http://www.everyclick.com/alecwhitfield

Hi Mary Jane, Are you looking for the Phelps-Wathen line here in the "colonies?" If you are let me know. I can do some researching from here. BTW, the WATHENs in Texas orginally came from Maryland, to Kentucky, to Missouri, to Texas. Bill Wathen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mimi's Email Account" <images@ix.netcom.com> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: [HEF] PHILLIPS, WATHEN > My PHILLIPS family came from Herefordshire and emigrated to Virginia in > the early 1700s and later to Kentucky. They were related to tthe WATHENS > of Texas, as late as the 1950s. Could someone please help with any > PHILLIPS-WATHEN marriages? Thank you, Mary Jane PHILLIPS > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 > 6:04 AM > > >

Thank you, Jo. I know what you're talking about......the A2A tab at the British National Archives website. Thank you, will do some digging there. I have the time now because I'm retired and I'm too stupid to play golf. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "sitcom" <sitcom@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-hereford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [HEF] WATHEN Family in Heref. > Just had a try at couple of sites, and the a2a site, doing a search for > spelling WATHEN, came up with 167 catalogues. Some cover Herefordshire and > Gloucestershire along with other places, > and go back yonkers. Including James Wathen of Hereford, glover. 1793 > think some earlier. > Means quite a bit of time to go through, but could possbly be interesting > to > you. > Jo. > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HEREFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 > 6:04 AM > > >

Here is the explanation of your date problem from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Style_and_New_Style_dates cheers David On 19/08/2008, at 5:59 PM, WLawday@aol.com wrote: > Dear Bill, > > There wre some later Wathens in the Llantwit Major, Glamorgan area - > wonder > if they are same family? Mentioned in will as below: > > CHANCERY WILL OF MARY DEERE OF LLANTWIT MAJOR, WIDOW, 1742 > PROBABLY WIDOW OF JOHN DEERE, GENT, WILL1736 > Burial 24 Dec. 1742 Llantwit Major > Something wrong here - she wrote the will November 1742 and it was > proved > February 1742 according to the PRO copy. Think it should read 1743

Just had a try at couple of sites, and the a2a site, doing a search for spelling WATHEN, came up with 167 catalogues. Some cover Herefordshire and Gloucestershire along with other places, and go back yonkers. Including James Wathen of Hereford, glover. 1793 think some earlier. Means quite a bit of time to go through, but could possbly be interesting to you. Jo.

My PHILLIPS family came from Herefordshire and emigrated to Virginia in the early 1700s and later to Kentucky. They were related to tthe WATHENS of Texas, as late as the 1950s. Could someone please help with any PHILLIPS-WATHEN marriages? Thank you, Mary Jane PHILLIPS

Dear Bill, I have the transcript of the will of you would like to have it. The Deeres are a very old Glamorgan family, alsi the Wilkins. Best wishes, WENDY [Deere descendant]