Hi all... A big thank you for all of you that have been so kind to set the record straight for me regarding county boundaries. Now I can move forward in my search. Thanks again :-) Debbi Bishop-Abney Researching: BISHOP-STANDERWICK-MOORE-ABNEY

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ruck" <john.ruck@btinternet.com> To: "Debbi" <abney6@insightbb.com> Sent: 16 March 2002 08:13 Subject: Re: [HEF] County Boundaries > Hi Debbie - No, the boundaries have not moved that far! Just like in USA > there are places with the same name but in different parts of the county. > e.g. Richmond in both Georgia and Virginia. But also the LDS 1881 discs > contain a number of transcription errors. Some Tarringtons should be > Torrington (Devon); some Hertfordshires should be Herefordshire. > You can also find Broadway in Pembrokeshire, Wales. > > Regards, John in Kent, UK - (not Kent WA) >

Dear Debbie Herefordshire is a county in the middle of England, Somerset and Devon are in the South so I don't think the boundaries changed that much! I haven't looked at the map but possibly should be Hertfordshire. Regards Anne

Hi listers... I feel rather silly asking this but does anyone know if the county boundaries changed at some point? I ask because according an 1881 census, Broadway was listed in Somerset yet I now find it in Herefordshire. Also, Tarrington was listed in Devon and I now find it in Herefordshire. Can SKS please set the record straight for me? Thank you :-) Sincerely, Debbi - a naive American

My great grandfather Thomas GRUBHAM was born at BOSBURY according to 1891 Census and lived with his family at 92 Bath Street, Hereford. My grandmother Emily Elizabeth GRUBHAM was married in 1885 to Frederick Jones WYLES and was not living at home by that date. I have tried to find my great grandfather on 1881 Census but cannot. My query is "was BOSBURY at that time in Herefordshire or perhaps in another County". Would anyone have access to any previous Census where I might find my grandmother listed. She would have been born about 1868 and her father Thomas GRUBHAM according to 1891 Census about 1842.I was in Hereford in 1971 and I remember that were quite a number of "GRUBHAMS" listed at the Hereford Town Hall as "Freeman of the City". Unfortunately all the papers with names Have been lost and perhaps somebody may be able to help me with this information. Thank you to anyone who can help me. Margaret N.S.W. Australia

---------- From: "Mal Hale" <mjhale.art@virgin.net> To: gordon evans <gordonwevans@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [HEF] FW: [ENG-SHROP] Shobden - John and Hannah Powell 1820s Date: Wed, Mar 13, 2002, 6:41 pm Hi Gordon This is brilliant - just what I wanted (and, no, I had not had the information from anyone else) You've made my day ! Many thanks Mal ---------- >From: "gordon evans" <gordonwevans@btinternet.com> >To: "Mal Hale" <mjhale.art@virgin.net>, <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [HEF] FW: [ENG-SHROP] Shobden - John and Hannah Powell 1820s >Date: Thu, Mar 14, 2002, 12:27 1am > > > Shobdon Parish Church > 14 February 1825 > John POWELL, widower, of this parish to Hannah HOWELLS, spinster, of this > parish by Banns. > (John POWELL made mark, Hannah signed). > Witnesses Benjamin WATKINS & Susanna FRANCIS. > > Hope this helps. > > Gordon Evans > >

Hi, Could someone possibly do a look up on the 1851 census for the following: James Duggan - aged 63-73 in 1851 miller died aged 83 miller. Thomas Duggan - Bullock Mill, aged 8 in 1851 married Sarah Bamfield 1869 Lyonshall George Duggan aged 20 in 1851 Bullock Mill Edward Duggan aged unknown but is brother to the above Joseph Duggan aged 15 in 1851 Lyonshall, Kington area. Many thank - greatly appreciated Amanda

Hello Mal > I am trying to confirm the maiden name of JOHN POWELL's wife HANNAH who > lived in Shobden (Leominster). I think that they probably married 1825/26, > possibly also in the Shobden area. Don't know whether anyone has already answered this one for you or not, but better duplicated than nothing! Shobdon Parish Church 14 February 1825 John POWELL, widower, of this parish to Hannah HOWELLS, spinster, of this parish by Banns. (John POWELL made mark, Hannah signed). Witnesses Benjamin WATKINS & Susanna FRANCIS. Hope this helps. Gordon Evans

Hello John I see that someone has already e-mailed you to advise that a Lavinia SWAIN is listed on FreeBMD as born in Leominster in 1860. (Presumably you know how to proceed from there?). In case you're interested, the Yarpole parish registers have the baptism of a Lavinia SWAIN on 3rd March 1861, father Richard SWAIN, labourer, mother Hannah. Abode Bircher Common. Hope this helps Gordon Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Favill" <jfavill@wi.rr.com> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: [HEF] > Fellow listers, > My grandmother in an 1881 Census entry in Wolverhampton claimed she was born in Yarpole, Hereford. She would have been born in 1861 and her name was Lavinia SWAIN. She died in 1956 and is buried in the Southern Cemetery, Chorlton-cum-Hardy in Manchester > Is there anyone who recognizes the SWAIN family name for the Yarpole area or who may be able to claim her as one of theirs? > My family aural history of the SWAIN family claim miners, growers of the miner's roses i.e.. "peonies", a gamekeeper and a link to Ross-on-Wye. > Failing any claimed connection could a kind person ( I hate abbreviations) point me in the direction of where I might find Lavinia Swain's birth records? > > Thank you, > > John Favill jfavill@wi.rr.com > WI, USA > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I would like to bring to your attention a new site which may be of help to you. It is called the "UK Transcriptions Web Site" and is being run by Malcolm Platt-Grigg, who is a member of the STS and Black Country lists to name but two. The idea came about following discussions on the Black Country list. Basically if you have ever made any transcriptions from Census, Parish records, MI's, Electoral rolls, etc., then they can be posted to this site as an aid for all of us. You will note that at the moment, the transcriptions are confined to Midlands counties. However, Malcolm would like to extend it to include all of the UK. I have his permission to publicise the site on the lists I belong to in order that the information on the site can be extended. It is not a commercial site, there are no pop-ups and Malcolm is to be congratulated (I think) for setting this up. The address is: http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealogy.com/ Hope that you find this useful. Regards Linda ......We are not always what we seem to be.......... Researching: Cook(e) Mason Plant Keys Miller Broster Walton Dunn Rastall

Hello Vicky 1851 Census Pigeon House, Orcop. Daniel PRICE, head, aged 76, farmer, b Much Dewchurch, Hereford. Elizabeth NIGHT, niece, W, aged 52, housekeeper, b Monmouth, Llantilio. John PERKINS, servant, u/m, aged 22, b Gloster, Newland. Maria PERKINS, visitor, aged 40, b Gloster, Newland. Mary PERKINS, visitor, aged 4, b Gloster, Newland. Hope this helps. Gordon Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Vicky" <mharding@ihug.co.nz> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:26 AM Subject: [HEF] look up ORCOP Census /KNIGHT > please could SKS look up 1841 or 1851or 1861 Census for ORCOP ,Hereford > for the following household > > Pidgeon House ,Orcop > Mrs. Elizabeth KNIGHT Head born Llantillio Crosseny Hereford. > > I really appreciate this help. > Vicky HARDING NZ > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Jan The 14th of April might have been correct but someone's got their years wrong somewhere! Staunton-on-Wye registers have the baptism of an Elizabeth THOMAS on 6 May 1860, father Jonathan THOMAS, shoemaker, mother Catherine. Problem solved ? Regards Gordon Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Archer" <Bob.Archer@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:19 AM Subject: [HEF] Elizabeth THOMAS > Hello Listers, > I am in need of some inspiration! I've received "no trace" slips from both > Hereford and Leominster Registrars for my G' Grandmother Elizabeth THOMAS, > supposedly born14.4.1861 in Staunton on Wye. > Does anyone recognise these details? > Father Jonathan Thomas, Mother ? Catherine ( I think that this may be the > problem - Catherine is certainly the mother of siblings , but can't find > anything to actually tie her to Elizabeth ) > Siblings - William 1862 > Jonathan 1864 > Catherine 1866 > James 1867 > Mary Ann 1870 > Fanny 1872 > Agnes 1874 > Eliza 1877 > The sibling details are from the 1871 and 1881 census.I also have > Elizabeth's marriage cert. > Marriage at St Nicholas Hereford 7.2.1885 to Thomas Clarke . > Sorry this is so long winded, just hoping that I may jog someone's > memory,thanks for reading this, > Regards, > Jan Archer > > Birmingham, England. > > Researching:- > > Grahams - Wilsons - Smiths - Lattimers - Carlisle 18-19th century > > Copes - Clarkes - Stallard - Taylor 18-19th century Hereford & Worcester > > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi List , Just Unsubing for the rest of this wek .Regards Roy Nicholas

Could anyone possibly do a look up for the surname PUGH around lyonshall area 1891. This is for someone else who doesn't possess a computer. Also looking for Duggan & Cole. Thankyou Mandy

Hi List this is my first message on this list so here's hoping....... I have been searching for the death of my 3xgreat grandfather GEORGE KEARN for a long time. He was possibly born in NEW TOWN WALES but to help prove this fact I need to find his death. he married Ann Watkins of little Birch in TIBBERTON in 1813. Their children were born in TIBBERTON but I cannot find his death there. His last child was born in 1833 so it would be after that......have spent hours at the family records center without success so I feel it's before 1837. I found his wife on the 1851 census in STRETTON SUGWAS H/shire staying with her son .She does not say she is a widow just a visitor aged 61 years.Really need to find this death to be able to except family info. given to me relating to New town.WALES. GEORGE was a timber merchant in Tibberton does anyone have a trade directory which might help me to place him away from T/ton.? Any information or advice as to where to go from here will be gratefully received. Regards Margaret in ESSEX

Hello Listers, I am in need of some inspiration! I've received "no trace" slips from both Hereford and Leominster Registrars for my G' Grandmother Elizabeth THOMAS, supposedly born14.4.1861 in Staunton on Wye. Does anyone recognise these details? Father Jonathan Thomas, Mother ? Catherine ( I think that this may be the problem - Catherine is certainly the mother of siblings , but can't find anything to actually tie her to Elizabeth ) Siblings - William 1862 Jonathan 1864 Catherine 1866 James 1867 Mary Ann 1870 Fanny 1872 Agnes 1874 Eliza 1877 The sibling details are from the 1871 and 1881 census.I also have Elizabeth's marriage cert. Marriage at St Nicholas Hereford 7.2.1885 to Thomas Clarke . Sorry this is so long winded, just hoping that I may jog someone's memory,thanks for reading this, Regards, Jan Archer Birmingham, England. Researching:- Grahams - Wilsons - Smiths - Lattimers - Carlisle 18-19th century Copes - Clarkes - Stallard - Taylor 18-19th century Hereford & Worcester

I am trying to trace part of my family. They originated in Tenbury in the 1881 census my grandfather was 8 months old, his father was a baker. Can you find any details about bakers in those days 3 of his sons also became bakers moving to Lancashire and Cheshire. Jean Loughborough, Leicestershire

I wonder if somebody could help a lady who lives in Somerset, please. Thomas NATION b 1784c HEF married 1809c HEF to Ann --- b 1789c Kenderchurch They had James NATION bap 14 Jan 1810 Kenderchurch and Thomas NATION bap 12 Apr 1812 Kenderchurch Thomas NATION (b1812) married abt 1855 to Sarah --- b 1835 HEF Thomas NATION b 1780c Kenderchurch married 30 may 1805 Llaninabo to Jane IRELAND b 1785c Saint Devereux They had Elizabeth NATION bap 16 Jun 1816 Kenderchurch Jane NATION bap 20 Sep 1820 Kenderchurch John NATION bap 22 Jan 1822 Kenderchurch Ellen NATION bap 24 Jul 1826 Kenderchurch Edward NATION b 1826c HEF married 4 May 1851 Saint Devereux to Ellen --- b 1831c HEF This information came from the IGI and this lady would very much like to have supporting evidence, especially as she can find neither Kenderchurch nor Llaninabo. Have you any suggestion about these place-names, please. Also, 1851 Census HO107 1978 487a Treville and HO107 1978 494a St Devereux Would somebody please supply fuller details? Thank you very much Bob Hayward

I have searched in vain for a marriage in Lincolnshire of my ancestor James ROGERS to "Civil/Seville/Sivel/etc" circa 1730. A kind lister pointed out that a James ROGERS married Sibyl DEVREUX in Fownhope with Fawleye in 1729. The names and dates are fine, but the location seems a long way off. Does anyone know if there was an established ROGERS family in that area, as I know mine was Lincs. born? I'd be glad of any help. Cheers, Liz Davies

Could anyone tell me if they have information relating to the surname Turford. It is an unusual surname and I have so far traced back to Ludlow and Hereford areas. Any information would be gratefully accepted Thank you in advance