please could someone have a look on the 1881 census for john bird born 1800/02 married ann evans and they had some children,george,william and ann.i have had some help from mike john and he has told me that they are on the igi index.i would be gratefull for any help received. thank you.Debra.uk

I have an ancestor, one John Cottle, who was a wardsman in the gaol in Hereford in 1844 and 1845 (verified by m/cert and b/cert of son). He then goes to Monmouthshire and that's all I know about him. Could SKS tell me if there are any records kept of Wardsmen in the Hereford Gaol that can be accessed? Many thanks Beryl Curtis (New Zealand)

Hello everyone, I'm new to the list and wondered if anyone else is interested in the Haynes. My great-aunt, Elizabeth Williams, born 1863 in Penhow, Mon, married James Haynes in Clehonger church in 1898. He died in 1940 and she in 1948. I found their names on the MI index but on a recent quick visit I was unable to locate their grave. Does the MI fiche give locations of graves? In 1937 they were living at Landimore Cottage, Clehonger according to my grandfather. Does this cottage still exist? My father, still alive at 93, says James Haynes worked as a gardener for a big estate in Clehonger. Can anyone suggest what estate this might have been? Thanks for reading this. Jennifer from Leeds.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Stacey" <jstacey@clear.net.nz> To: <eng-hereford-l-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2002 22:20 Subject: VAUGHAN > I have recently begun > searching for VAUGHANs from the Kington area. > I am interested in Thomas VAUGHAN born in 1853 in Kington and his > family. If anyone has similar interests I would be pleased to hear > from them. > Janet > Auckland NZ >

Jennifer, The MI fiche will have a plan of the churchyard and a detailed transciption and index of all names and places listed. My wife Heather and myself transcribed and indexed this parish church in 1994/5, seems a long time ago !! There are 7 Haynes' listed on fiche. 3 stones, all kerbstones located near to each other, in the area of the old war memorial. Landimore cottage is not listed in the index. The estate may have been the Belmont estate, not forgetting the catholic Belmont Abbey is near also. Fiche is available to purchase, see http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs/pubs.html Phil Bufton Vice Chairman Herefordshire FHS www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs ----- Original Message ----- From: "jtinnion" <jtinnion@onetel.net.uk> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: [HEF] Haynes/Clehonger > Hello everyone, > > I'm new to the list and wondered if anyone else is interested in the Haynes. > > My great-aunt, Elizabeth Williams, born 1863 in Penhow, Mon, married James > Haynes in Clehonger church in 1898. He died in 1940 and she in 1948. > > I found their names on the MI index but on a recent quick visit I was unable > to locate their grave. Does the MI fiche give locations of graves? > > In 1937 they were living at Landimore Cottage, Clehonger according to my > grandfather. Does this cottage still exist? > > My father, still alive at 93, says James Haynes worked as a gardener for a > big estate in Clehonger. Can anyone suggest what estate this might have > been? > > Thanks for reading this. > > Jennifer from Leeds. > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Beryl, Try contacting the Hereford Record Office. A link is available through the Herefordshire Family History site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs/hro.html Phil Bufton Vice Chairman Herefordshire FHS www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beryl Curtis" <bcurtis@ihug.co.nz> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: [HEF] Cottle - Wardsman > I have an ancestor, one John Cottle, who was a wardsman in the gaol in Hereford in 1844 and 1845 (verified by m/cert and b/cert of son). He then goes to Monmouthshire and that's all I know about him. Could SKS tell me if there are any records kept of Wardsmen in the Hereford Gaol that can be accessed? > > Many thanks > > Beryl Curtis (New Zealand) > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Peg, Morning from Keith in rainy Herefordshire, There was a rumour amongst the family that my ggrandfathers brother & possibly a cousin of his did migrate to Sydney about 1890-1900 but i havent found any evidence of there voyage, i dont even have there names, a few years back i was fortunate to spend 6 weeks in Sydney i tried to find information but i drew a blank. My GGrandfathers name was Charles Merrick, i havent his birth date its about 1870 & i think he was born in Herefordshire. Of all my ancestors the Merrick line is the most difficult to trace. regards, Keith.

thanks to everyone for the speedy response!! The general feel is that it comes from the latin meaning white. Albain probably being the female equivalent to Alban. With it being quite an unusual name I'm hoping the family has inherited it from grandparents etc and hopefully making my research a bit easier!! Thanks again Regards David

Hello David Could it be Alban as in St Alban? It has never been a fashionable name but it has appeared consistently down the years. Alban is from the latin meaning white or fair. Alternatively could it be Aiden? Regards Linda ......We are not always what we seem to be...... Researching: Cook(e) Mason Plant Keys Miller Broster Walton Dunn Rastall Smith

Has anybody come across the christian name ALBAIN before?? I'm wondering if its a transcript error. If not what is its origins? Regards David

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Hi I should think that this is meant to be haulier - still so-called today ie those who transport goods. Mal ---------- From: "Stephen Kelsey" <sjkelsey@msn.com> To: ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HEF] occupation - hallier Date: Sat, Aug 17, 2002, 1:52 pm researching is given as Hallier

I believe that you the correct word as I have seen it many, many times before. I believe that it refers to a person who carries things around for others, i.e. a hauler. Another interesting occupation I have seen around Nottingham is dataler . This is a person who works in the niches in the sides of the walls of the coal mines, making the niches, and gleaning coal that might fall out of the cars as they come down the track. A very dangerous occupation unless one gets into the niche in time. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron O'Neill Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:16 PM To: ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HEF] occupation - hallier the occupation of the father of one of the families I was > researching is given as Hallier. > The staff at the LRO agreed that this did appear to be the correct word, > and it occurred in more than one entry. > A dictionary of "old trades and occupations" gave no clues, nor did a > dialect reference book. Hi Kate. Could it have been Hellier?? in which case, HELLIER, A slater or tiler of roofs. From our book Old Occupations and their meanings. Kind regards, Ron O'Neill www.genealogyprinters.com ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== . ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

the occupation of the father of one of the families I was > researching is given as Hallier. > The staff at the LRO agreed that this did appear to be the correct word, > and it occurred in more than one entry. > A dictionary of "old trades and occupations" gave no clues, nor did a > dialect reference book. Hi Kate. Could it have been Hellier?? in which case, HELLIER, A slater or tiler of roofs. From our book Old Occupations and their meanings. Kind regards, Ron O'Neill www.genealogyprinters.com

I don't know the answer to Kate's question, but just as a matter of interest I encountered the following during a session at the HRO earlier this week :- 1851 Census Hereford St Peters Bye Street Olwen WRIGHT, head, W, 51. Churd Dealer, Audley, Staffs. Thomas, son, U, 28, Churd Dealers Assistant, Woolstowton, Staffs. This bugged me all day, my mind thinking "cheese" or "whey" or something similar, until late the same evening it suddenly occured to me that the enumerator had simply written down what he thought he had heard, the actual occupation being "CHAIR DEALER". Gordon Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Alexander" <kate@jbaassoc.demon.co.uk> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: [HEF] occupation - hallier > > I've just spent a couple of days at Hereford LRO which have been really > useful in tracing my STEED line. > > *BUT* in the Withington Parish Register entries for Baptisms (around > 1850-1870), the occupation of the father of one of the families I was > researching is given as Hallier. > > The staff at the LRO agreed that this did appear to be the correct word, > and it occurred in more than one entry. > > A dictionary of "old trades and occupations" gave no clues, nor did a > dialect reference book. > > The best the LRO staff and I could come up with is "haulier" - any > other ideas? > > > > > -- > Kate > Essex, UK > Wife to John, Full Time Mother to Christopher (11) and Rebecca (9) > > ALEXANDER - London (1600-1700), Cornwall (1800), Hampshire (1700 - 1800) , > Newcastle (1800-1900) & Wakefield (1900) > STEED - Hereford/Staffordshire/Warwickshire > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I've just spent a couple of days at Hereford LRO which have been really useful in tracing my STEED line. *BUT* in the Withington Parish Register entries for Baptisms (around 1850-1870), the occupation of the father of one of the families I was researching is given as Hallier. The staff at the LRO agreed that this did appear to be the correct word, and it occurred in more than one entry. A dictionary of "old trades and occupations" gave no clues, nor did a dialect reference book. The best the LRO staff and I could come up with is "haulier" - any other ideas? -- Kate Essex, UK Wife to John, Full Time Mother to Christopher (11) and Rebecca (9) ALEXANDER - London (1600-1700), Cornwall (1800), Hampshire (1700 - 1800) , Newcastle (1800-1900) & Wakefield (1900) STEED - Hereford/Staffordshire/Warwickshire

I am a new subscriber to this list although I have been a member of other lists for some time. THOMAS HILL baptised at Collington 25th March 1787 (my 3 X Great Grandfather,) he married JANE BARRINGTON at Eastham, Worcestershire. EMMA CROWTHER baptised at Stoke Bliss on 18th March 1810 (my 2 X Great Grandmother). Emma gave birth to twins WILLIAM and EMMA in 1832 but did not marry their father WILLIAM HILL until the following year. WILLIAM retained the surname CROWTHER but the name of the informant on his death certificate was WILLIAM HILL and it states he was his father. Unfortunately I know nothing of the other twin EMMA. I would be very pleased to hear from anyone researching these two families and will gladly exchange all the information I have. Margaret Felthouse Perth Western Australia

Hello Diana I have no interest in the family myself, but these are the HARRELL's living in Herefordshire at the time of the 1851 Census :- Alma House, Bromyard Ann HARRELL, widow, 77, born Salop. Church Street, Bromyard (In household of Henry LITWYCHE, supervisor of Excise) Jane HARRELL, 16, servant, born HEF Bromyard. Ledbury Thomas HARRELL, aged 37. Brockhampton Susannah HARRELL, aged 40. Mid-Marsh, Leominster Ann HARRELL, aged 48 James HARRELL, aged 38 Thomas HARRELL, aged 10 South Street, Leominster James HARRELL. aged 67 Mary HARRELL, aged 56 Samuel HARRELL, aged 16 William HARRELL, aged 13 Hope this is of some use. Gordon Evans Herefordshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Sheasby" <diana@sheasby.fsworld.co.uk> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: [HEF] HARRELL in Bromyard [1841 or 1851 Look-up] > Dear Listers > > Does any one share my interest in the HARRELL family living in Bromyard in the late C18th and C19th? If so I should be interested to hear from you > > GG grandfather Samuel Davis HARRELL ba 2 Aug 1809 Bromyard [s/o James HARRELL and Ann DAVIS] > James HARRELL ba 16 Feb 1783 Bromyard [s/o James HARRELL and Mary GODSALL] > > If any kind person with access to the 1851 [or even 1841] Bromyard Census who could look up HARRELLs who were resident at that time, I should be very grateful. > > Regards > > Diana Sheasby > Northamptonshire > > Also researching: > HARRELL in Worcester [Evesham, Worcester and Stoke Prior] > > > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Gabi Since sending my last e-mail I've noticed that the IGI has the following :- Margaret MEYLER, christened Bath Abbey 1st July 1793. Parents William & Alice. Looks like Mum, does it not? Gordon

Hi Gabi Does this perhaps help, from the 1851 Census :- Friar Street, Hereford Margaret MILTON, widow, 55, landowner, SOM Bath Mary Ann, daughter, U, 23, Hereford Harriet Alice, daughter, 20, Hereford William M, son, 19, medical pupil, Hereford Regards Gordon Evans Herefordshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "gabrielle.hewitt" <gabrielle.hewitt@freemail.absa.co.za> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: [HEF] Milton > Hi All > > Just posting my interests again > > Milton > Whitfeld > Fegen. > > Can any body shed some light on Who the parents of Margaret Meyler Milton born 1823 Hereford. I know her farther was William Milton, but her mother is just Margaret. > > Thanks > Gabi > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >