I misunderstood the information.  It is only 2%.  It does not tell you that till the very end. My appologies. This is exactly what it says: UK Census Description~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~UKC_DESC.zip    Contains UKC_DESC.TXT --- this file which you are reading ---descriptive material for the rest of the files.UKC_NIDX.zip    227,583 bytes -- this file is an index of surnames listed inthe various county files of which the namesappear below.  The counties are given in theindex by the codes in the list of filenames.The codes used follow BS 6879:1987 which isalmost identical to the Chapman County Codes.The actual census transript files are arranged by counties.  The three lettersfollowing the underscore in the file name are the BS 6879:1987 code for thecounty to which the file relates. The following lists show the files within each compressed .zip file.  Thesizes quoted are the EXPANDED file sizes.  The naming convention for the textfiles is as follows:First three letters - BS 6879:1987 code for the countyNext two digits     - year (19th century) of the census sampledRemainder of name   - two-digit serial number --- OR ----BS 6879:1987 code for another county when a parish is inone county for registration and another geographically.All of the files are plain ASCII text files.  When there are two county codesin the main name the extension name consists of the letter "T" followed by atwo-digit serial number.  Otherwise the extension name is "TXT".The arrangement of the data within the text files is described in AlanStanier's "How to read" notes at the end of this document. The information above was prepared by Mike Fisher, FidoNet 2:440/50, from thefiles made available by Gordon Grant, FidoNet 2:253/170.Notes from Gordon Grant (transcribed by Rosemary Lockie, FidoNet 2:440/109)The transcripts were gathered together from several places by Alan Stanier.The bulk of them is a 2% sample of the 1851 census, transcribed by a teamunder Professor Anderson at Edinburgh.  Alan obtained that collection from theESRC Data Archive at Essex University.  He also obtained Eilidh Garrett's datafrom Keithley from the same Data Archive, and transcripts from an unknowncontributor of the censuses of County Antrim.  Both these had to be massagedinto the format used by Anderson.  Alan also added his own transcripts, mostlyfrom East Anglia and the Midlands.Anderson's team transcribed every 50th census book in England, Wales andScotland.  Eilidh Garrett took all the census of Keithley, as did the teamthat did County Antrim.  Alan added those he came across while tracing his ownfamily.Acknowledgments:  Professor Anderson, Eilidh Garrett, and the ESRC DataArchive, and (of course) Alan Stanier.The rest of this file consists of notes by Alan Stanier, "alan@essex.ac.uk" onthe Internet, and was extracted from Alan's messages in the Usenet newsgroup"soc.roots" and edited by Ron Macrae, FidoNet 2:440/212.Here is some information about the UK Census Data, the data fields and how toread the data.======= How to read the data below =======Census information for the United Kingdom.This file will describe the data and fields within the files listed above.OK, let's take part of a typical file.@Aberdeenshire -A Cluny#1851Z/7015/1/NETHER CORSKIE/J/AGNES/TOCHER/HEAD/W//59/FARMER OF 97 ACRES/ABD/CLUNY/J/WILLIAM/TOCHER/SON/U/28//EMPLOYED ON FARM/ABD/CLUNY/J/BETSEY/TOCHER/D/U//26/EMPLOYED ON FARM/ABD/CLUNY/J/ROBERT/TOCHER/SON/U/21//EMPLOYED ON FARM/ABD/CLUNY/J/JEAN/TOCHER/D/U//16/EMPLOYED ON FARM/ABD/CLUNY/J/GEORGE/FARQUHAR/GRAND SON/U/4///ABD/CLUNY/J/JOHN/TYTLER/SERV/U/22//FARM LAB/ABD/ECHT/J/GEORGE/BROWN/SERV/U/19//FARM LAB/ABD/SKENE/$Z/03/2/UPPER CORSKIE/J/JOHN/FINDLAY/HEAD/MAR/61//SHOE MAKER/ABD/SKENE/J/CATHERINE/FINDLAY/W/MAR//58//ABD/CLUNY/$NOTE:  If you were looking for a BROWN in the 1851 data, and the George Brownabove were to be found, then all the names of that household will be seentogether - so that you are able to see who was living with and in thehousehold of George Brown on the day of the census, and also each of theiroccupations.The first line specifies the Parish - in this case Cluny Aberdeenshire.  (The-A is not useful to you - it tells me I got the transcripts from Prof MichaelAnderson of Edinburgh University)The 2nd line (optional) gives the date of the census.Then follow a number (in this case, 2) of household records, each ended with aline starting '$'.The first line of a household record is the address line, starting with 'Z'.The first field of the address line can be ignored (it has some meaning forAnderson's research, but not for us).The second field is the household number within the enumeration book.  Thethird field (and subsequent ones if any) are the address information given inthe enumeration book.Then follow a series of person records, starting 'J'.Fields are:-Christian Names(s)SurnameRelation to head of householdMarital statusAge if male     } One of these fieldsAge if female   } should be blank!OccupationPlace of Birth (this may take more than one field, if for example botha town and a county were given.  Order is that givenin the enumeration book.  The County is coded toBS 6879:1987 - almost the same as Chapman CountyCoding)======= End of How to read =======Additional comments from Alan Stanier ...The files are my collection of transcripts, which include the 2% nationalsample.  What actually happened was I obtained the 2% sample, and was talkingto friends at the Society of Genealogists who mentioned that they wanted topublish an index to the sample, but couldn't persuade the researchers toproduce it.  So I volunteered.  I had to do a lot of data massaging first toget County names into canonical form (which, I guess, is why the researchershad declined!), so in the months I was working on that I also grabbed copiesof any other transcripts I could find.  I ended up with about 2.25% coverageof 1851, and a few from other years.The 2% sample is every 50th census book, so villages that were split betweencensus books are not fully covered.Alan Stanieralan@essex.ac.uk Renee

hI Is this a con? or just the 2% Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: <Reneelwaring@aol.com> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: [HEF] 1851 Census for all of England > Here is the site: > > http://www.twoloos.demon.co.uk/fhist/1851.htm > > You will have to download information to see it. > > Renee Waring > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Margaret, These are the HILL people in MATHON where there is a child HANNAH aged about the age you specified. Surname Fore Name Age Parish Piece Folio District HILL Ann 50 Mathon 1975 28a Ledbury HILL Hannah 11 Mathon 1975 28a Ledbury HILL John 55 Mathon 1975 28a Ledbury HILL Mary 24 Mathon 1975 28a Ledbury HILL Robert 14 Mathon 1975 28a Ledbury I'm afraid I can't help with regard to the mother's maiden name. regards Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Fitzgerald" <margaretwf@austarnet.com.au> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:24 PM Subject: [HEF] Hannah HILL > I have been told MATHON in Worcestershire is now in Hereford county. I > wonder if SKS could look up 1851 Census for Hannah HILL born in 1841 at > MATHON. My main concern is if her mother's maiden Surname was LUCY and of > course I would like to know other members of family. Thank you for anyone > who may be able to help me.Margaret in Australia. > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Here is the site: http://www.twoloos.demon.co.uk/fhist/1851.htm You will have to download information to see it. Renee Waring

For those looking for this census try: http://www.twoloos.demon.co.uk/fhist/1851/ukc_sal.zip

Renee & fellow researchers I have now received from Australia further information that is to say the Edmund I have been searching for may have been an Edwin also may be Weiring & not Waring. Searching for the birth &/or Baptism of Amelia Elizabeth Waring/Weiring born Cheltenham Glos about 1822 (according to 1851 census). also: Her father Edwin/Edmund Waring/Weiring born Hereford abt 1773 & his wife Jane born Bodenham, Herefordshire about 1775 these ages are according to the 1851 census. any information Birth Marriage or death would be much appreciated. Amelia Elizabeth Ley (nee Waring/Weiring) died at Footsray, Australia 1903 ref No. 13407. Any help please, kind regards David Wiltshire.

I am sure some retired marine in this list is going to do a real job on this for you but.......RM stands for Royal Marines. They serve on board naval ships as well as on shore. Have military ranks and khaki uniforms. . You can assume he was a private in the Royal Marines serving on board HMS Victoria and Albert , berthed in Portsmouth. Check to make sure it was a real ship. Shore installations of the RN are often called HMS Something. Enquire at Royal Marines depot/ museum for how to see service records. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Mandy W <mandyw@ecclerigg.freeserve.co.uk> To: ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 23 September 2002 20:20 Subject: [HEF] Army Rank/Regiment on a ship? >I have just discovered via the 1901 a family member, Samuel Powell, who >appears to be in the armed forces but not a regiment I recognise. > >The ship in question was the Victoria & Albert (although it doesn't state >whether it was SS, RMS or what) and his profession is listed as Private R M >T I. The V & A was in Portsmouth Harbour at the time which makes me >inclined to think Royal Navy but as for the rest.... > >Can anyone out there help me on both the profession and the vessel, please? > >Mandy in Windermere > > >==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== >. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Renee I don't know if this will help you - but here goes! Mary Toldervy married Richard Oakley 2 Feb 1749 at Leominster. Batch # M146101 Richard and Mary Oakley had a daughter, Meliora,Christened 25 Jan 1753 at Weobley. Batch #C139741 There is another Meliora Oakley, daughter of Francis and Catherine Oakley, Christened 5 Feb 1783 at All Saints, Hereford. It looks as if this one married John Apperley Palmer at All Saints, Hereford on 26 Nov. 1802. I imagine you have the Meliora Warings listed in the IGI, but I will forward those if you need them - just let me know. The only John Taylors married to Melioras appear to be in Somerset and don't connect well with the above. I just couldn't resist exploring this - I love the name Meliora! Good hunting! Jan in Winnipeg, Canada

I have just discovered via the 1901 a family member, Samuel Powell, who appears to be in the armed forces but not a regiment I recognise. The ship in question was the Victoria & Albert (although it doesn't state whether it was SS, RMS or what) and his profession is listed as Private R M T I. The V & A was in Portsmouth Harbour at the time which makes me inclined to think Royal Navy but as for the rest.... Can anyone out there help me on both the profession and the vessel, please? Mandy in Windermere

This is a record held at the Shropshire Records & Research Centre. I found it interesting since the name Meliora was passed down through the Waring line. It does connect my Waring line to the Toldervy family of Shropshire. Andrew Waring Chr. 1665 in Ludlow married to Ann ? His first child was Andrew Waring who married Ann Toldervy in 1715 in Leominster, Herefordshire. His second child was William Waring chr. 1686 in Leominster married to Margery Barley. William's seventh child was named Meliora, his 3rd child was Edmund Waring 1722-1807 who married Anne Cook. I have the Will of William which does mention his daughter Meliora, and Edmund that mentions his sister Meliora plus the original parish records back up this information. Now, my brick wall is Andrew Waring born 1641 of the Rock married to Margaret Hays in Stanton Lacy by Lic. The original Parish records give Andrew, son of Andrew etc and so on, and back up all of this information, but I have never been able to trace the name Meliora back farther through the Waring lines past William Waring & Margery Barley. If the following record is correct, then it confirms the connection between my Waring line and the Toldervy line though there may be a hundred years difference. Any thoughts on this? Can anyone get a copy of this record for me? Thanks so much, Renee Waring Shropshire Records and Research Centre: Eyton Family [Parts 1-2] © 2002 The contents of this catalogue are the copyright of <A HREF="http://www.hmc.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult.asp?LR=166">Shropshire Records and Research Centre</A> Rights in the Access to Archives database are the property of the Crown > > > PART II > >    ESTATE AND FAMILY > >       Documents relating to persons outside the family and connections > >          Broad Street, Ludlow - Estate of Edward Prodgers, banker, a > bankrupt. > >             FILE - Abstract of title to premises in Ludlow - > ref.  665/5920  - date: 1825 >                |_ [from Scope and Content] 17th December, 1812 Will of > George Toldervy, devising to his wife Elizabeth the leasehold premises and > all his real estate for her life, after 5 shares to his nephews William > Oakley, Francis Oakley, George Oakley, John Oakley, and Benjamin Oakley, > sons of his sister Mary Oakley, remaining 6th part to children of his niece > Meliora late wife of John Taylor decd, as tenants in common; he gave his > personal estate to James Bayley Toldervy the elder and James Davies on > trust to permit his wife to have the use during her life, after her decease > upon trust to divide amongst his said nephews and the children of his niece > Meliora in equal shares. The trustees to be executors. Will proved in > Consistory court of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Mrs. E. Toldervy survived > about 6 months and died in May, 1813 >                |_ [from Scope and Content] Meliora Taylor left 2 children, > John Richard Taylor and Mary Ann Taylor. Since the purchase of the freehold > and leasehold premises by George Toldervy, "the same had undergone very > material alterations and --the description thereof thereinafter contained > was framed according to the then present state of the same premises from an > actual survey made thereof shortly before the execution of the now >

Thanks to the power of the internet my request was answered in a couple of minutes by a fellow lister. Many thanks - a great list1 Adrian

Dear List, A note to advise that our website now includes some notes on the VERRY family of south Herefordshire, and Gloucestershire. Notes on the history of MUCH DEWCHURCH are included. URL is - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maggiesirishkin/ Any contributions to add to the Much Dewchurch data will be very welcome. Best of luck with your research, Adrian and Maggie Turakina New Zealand

Would appreciate a lookup for these two in the 1881 Census - Charles R. VERRY, Hereford, aged about 1yr, born Hereford - and - John VERY / VERRY, born Much Birch, Hereford c.1868 and living with Abraham WELLS and family at Newton, Cambridgeshire. Many thanks, Adrian

I would like to thank everybody for their help in finding the Kington's in Grendon Bishop and Eardisland, especially Keith, Gerald. Chris and Sarah. They have helped considerably and have given me so much information which would have probably taken me weeks to find on my own. Eveline.

I am researching my Ggrandmother Sarah Jane Fletcher, father William Fletcher, a dispenser. In the '81 census she is at the Orphanage School, at Hereford St. Owen .Does anyone have any connections to this family ? Or any oinfo about the institution would be helpful. Georgina Edwards

Hello List, I'm new to your list and trying to find out more information about Lawton, Herefordshire. I found it on the Streetmap co. UK website. I'm working on Charles HEATH, and his family, born abt. 1810. Here he is in the 1841 census: HO107 1001, En. dist. # 6, page 5, entry 24. Oxford Street, Borough of Wolverhampton, Township of Bilston, Staffs. Charles Heath/30/Sinker/born in this County? No Sarah Heath/25 - looks like 28/born in this County? No Joseph Heath/3/born in this County? Blank James, 25 or 27,sinker, and William ,30, lab., "TURNER", also in same household,/born in this County? No --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here he is in the 1851 and he states that he was born in Lawton... No county is listed... HO107 2029, folio 702, page 17, entry 329 Sheepwash, Tipton, Staffs Charles Heath/head/mar/41/Labourer/b Lawton Sarah Heath/wife/mar/39/b Staffs, Bilston Richard Heath/son/17/Miner/b Warwickshire, Aston Joseph Heath/son/13/b Staffs, Bilston Charles Heath/son/10/b Staffs, Bilston Mary Heath/dau/7/b Staffs, Bilston John Heath/son/4/b, Tipton ====================== Charles died by 1854: Registration District: Dudley Sub-District: Tipton When and where died: 30 November 1854, Sheepwash Lane, Tipton Name and surname: Charles Heath Age: 44 Occupation: Miner Signature, description and residence of informant: William Lowe, in attendance, Sheepwash Lane, Tipton ------------------------------------------------ This is basically all that I have to go on... I'm wondering if there are any local parish records available for Lawton in the 1810 time period... Someone checked the "Church Lawton" records in Cheshire and said that he isn't listed there... Would anyone have any ideas for me and where to turn to? Thanks for your time ! Regards, Bill Kemp, Florida....

Keith, I have a Stephen WATKINS who married my Mary GREENLY in Staunton on Arrow 17.03.1738. Mary was buried 12.12.1741 at SoA. They had a son (don't know about siblings) John WATKINS who married Elizabeth SMYTHE in SoA 14.04.1774. At one time, I had been told that there was a link between these Watkins and another John WATKINS who emigrated to the US where he became a very famous soldier in the American Civil War. I've just relooked at some of the web resources and have found no link but I am sure that I read that the famous John WATKINS was born in HEF. Try a Google search, there is a lot of information about him out there. David Matthews

Hello fellow Herefordonians, My g-gfather, George Gorst (born 1857 in Clifford), disappeared in the 1880s after fathering two children in a legal marriage. Rumours are that he followed an elder brother, Henry, to Canada. I would like to know if anyone has 'sighted' him anywhere. George's siblings married into the following families: Cole (Merthyr Tydfil, 1894); Davies (Hay and Pontypridd 1892); Gibbon (Pontardawe 1920); Ace (Llanelli 1919); Ley (Hay 1919, then Northampton); Thomas (Swansea 1912) Any leads gratefully received and am willing to provide more info. Thanks! Amanda Price

Looking for an SKS who can help? I am searching for the marriage of Edmund WARING & Jane ? On the 1851 census Mrs Jane Waring's birthplace quoted as Bodenham, Edmund was born in Hereford. Also searching for Jane ? & Edmund Waring baptism's and parent's. 1851 Census Cheltenham 18-51 (37) Edmunds Waring (Head) 78 years Labourer born Hereford Jane Edmund (wife) 76 years Bodenham. Many thanks, any help would be much appreciated. David

Hi list I am looking for the baptism of Mary Jane Stroud born 5 Oct 1867 at Cooks Building, Hereford & Alice Kate Stroud born 6 Mar 1870 Moorfield, the daughters of James & Ellen (or Eleanor). Also trying to trace the first born daughter Ann Ellen born abt 1866. She was not with her family on census night in 1871, therefore believe she may have died before then. On the 1871 census they were living in All Saints Parish at Portland Road, Hereford. If anyone can help it would be very much appreciated. Thank you for reading my message. regards Pat & David Wiltshire