Dear Listers I'm writing to offer you some info about Shobdon Court and Lord Bateman. In the Hereford RO there is a group of documents presented in 1949 by Gre(n)ville Phillips, file reference P6. Document 6/22/7 is "An account of the meeting of the tenantry and tradesmen of Lord Batemen [sic] for the purpose of presenting Mr SMITH, late of Shobdon Court, with a piece of plate with tea service as a mark of their esteem and respect. Contains transcript of speeches given. 22 February 1838." Document 6/22/8 is a list of subscribers to above plate. My interest was in some of the other docs. in the file (principally those relating to the GRAINGER family) so I didn't examine these two very closely: as I remember they were no more than hastily written notes. However, I thought I would offer these comments in case you want to follow them up. Kind regards, Bert Pemberton in Blackpool, Lancs. >From: "gordon evans" <gordonwevans@btinternet.com> >To: ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [HEF] Lady J BATEMAN?/WILLIAM SKINNER >Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:04:11 +0100 > >Hello Fred > >I'm afraid that in the 1841 Census Shobdon Court, Herefordshire, was (like >your Bath address) occupied by just two man-servants - William TAYLOR, aged >30, and Richard WILLIAMS, aged 17. >I couldn't see anything in the Census which might have given a clue as to >who owned the property, but the BATEMAN family were certainly very >influential in the area >in the 18th and 19th centuries (the local pub is to this day called the >Bateman Arms). >Kellys 1934 Directory of Herefordshire mentions that when the ancient >Shobdon church (built 1141) was pulled down down in 1752 Lord BATEMAN >caused >the three principal arches to be re-erected in the park, where they still >remain. In the "new" church (erected 1753) there is a fine monument to >John, >last Viscount BATEMAN & Baron of Culmore, who died on 2 March 1802, and >another to William (HANBURY), 1st Baron BATEMAN, who died 22 July 1845. > >The fact that a birth at Shobdon Court to a Lady BATEMAN was reported in >the >Bath Chronicle would suggest that there was a family link between the two >places, but not being a native Herefordian I'm afraid I can't tell you what >that might have been. > >No doubt someone on this list with a better knowledge of local history than >I have will be able to point you in the right direction (if they haven't >already done so). > >Kind regards > >Gordon Evans > >--- Original Message ----- >From: <Skinneratdhobie@aol.com> >To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:04 PM >Subject: [HEF] Lady J BATEMAN?/WILLIAM SKINNER > > > > Hi Listers, > > I'm new to this list so here is my current brick wall. > > I am trying to establish the identity of a Lady J BATEMAN who in the >1851 > > census was at her address of 19, Marlborough Buildings, Bath in Somerset >with > > her butler, WILLIAM SKINNER my 2X Great Uncle. Her age is given as 80 >(place > > of birth not given) and his as 63 born Selworthy, Somerset. > > > > The 1841 census shows the address was in the possession of Lady >BATEMAN >but > > on the day of the census the house was only occupied by two servants. > > > > A check of Pigot's 1830 and 1842 Somerset Directories shows Lady >BATEMAN > > and Hon Lady BATEMAN at 19, Marlboro' Buildings respectively, at no time >is > > her first name used. > > > > An entry in the Bath Chronical dated 10.12.1840 states:- November 30 >at > > Shobden Court, Herefordshire, the Right Hon Lady BATEMAN, a daughter. >It >is > > hardly likely that the Lady J BATEMAN I am trying to identify would be >the > > mother of this little girl, but there is probably a connection >somewhere. > > > > In an effort to trace the movements and possible descendents of my 2X >Great > > Uncle I need to identify this elusive Lady J BATEMAN. > > > > Can anyone please help (1) to identify her; > > > > (2) if you have access to the 1841 >census > > for Herefordshire please look up Shobdon Court . > > > > Thanks in anticipation, > > > > Fred Skinner. > > > >==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== >. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!  Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp

Hi I down loaded this but it's not mine if anyone wants to claim them RG13 4924 66 3 18 Address Demense Farm Civil Parish Rural District Garway Town or Village or Hamlet Parliamentary Borough or Division Southern D Herefordshire Ecclesiastical Parish Administrative County St Michaels Hereford County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Ward of Municipal Borough or Urban District John Williams Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Head M 71 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Farmer Undefined Hereford Clodoc Language Infirmity English Eliza Williams Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Wife M 61 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Undefined Hereford Walterstone Language Infirmity English Eliza Williams Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Daughter S 41 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Farmers Daughter Worker working at home Hereford Heref Language Infirmity English Rosanna Williams Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Daughter S 35 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Undefined Hereford Rollstone Language Infirmity English Edgar Williams Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Son S 25 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Farmers Son Worker working at home Hereford Rollstone Language Infirmity English Albert Williams Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Son S 22 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Undefined Hereford Rollstone Language Infirmity English Reginald Williams Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Son S 18 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Undefined Hereford Garway Language Nik www.fulstow.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 04/10/02

Hi All. The following are the Surnames and there places that I am currently interested and working on:- BARNETT - 1800's - WORCESTERSHIRE BATES - 1700's & 1800's - SHROPSHIRE BROOKS - 1800'S - WORCESTERSHIRE COX - 1800's - WARICKSHIRE CROOSE - 1700'S & 1800'S - HEREFORDSHIRE RADNORSHIRE CURNOCK - ANY CENTURY - WORCESTERSHIRE DAVIES - 1700's & 1800's - HEREFORDSHIRE RADNORSHIRE EVANS - 1800's - BREACON GREENWAY - 1800's - WORCESTERSHIRE GRIFFIN - 1800's - WORCESTERSHIRE HARRIS - PRE 1770's - WORCESTERSHIRE HUGHES - 1700's & 1800's - HEREFORDSHIRE JACKSON - 1800's - WORCESTERSHIRE JAMES - 1700's & 1800's - WILTSHIRE JENKINS - 1700's & 1800's - HEREFORDSHIRE KITE - PRE 1820's - WORCESTERSHIRE LOWE - 1800's - WORCESTERSHIRE MOORE - 1600's & 1700's - WORCESTERSHIRE PITTAWAY - PRE 1860's - WORCESTERSHIRE PRICE - 1800's - BREACON SHEPPARD - 1800's & 1900's - WORCESTERSHIRE 1700's & 1800's - WILTSHIRE SMITH - 1800'S - SUFFOLK THOMAS - 1700's & 1800's - HEREFORDSHIRE WHITTALL - 1700's & 1800's - RADNORSHIRE 1800's - HEREFORDSHIRE WILCOX - PRE 1700's - WORCESTERSHIRE WILLIAMS - 1700's & 1800's - HEREFORDSHIRE WOODWARD - PRE 1820's - WORCESTERSHIRE Regards Andy

Tom, Sorry, I just noticed you are in USA. EH is quite a small place. The birth records were very badly kept in that church at that time. They are now at the Herefordshire RO in Hereford. I am 250 miles away in Brighton but can give you the name of a lady researcher who operates at Hereford RO for quite reasonable rates if you email me off-list. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: captbrian <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk> To: ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 03 November 2002 14:45 Subject: Re: [HEF] Jeffreys >EH is not that big a place that the postman won't know where the church is. >If you get access to birth records for it , I have been looking for 3 years >for birth of Hugh Phillips somewhere between 1730 - 1750 ish ?? > >Bryan Phillips >-----Original Message----- >From: Major0009@aol.com <Major0009@aol.com> >To: ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: 03 November 2002 14:08 >Subject: [HEF] Jeffreys > > >>Could someone please help me with the address for St. Michael's church in >>Ewyas Harold.I have many family members that were buried their in the 1700 >>and mid 1800. >> >>Thanks Tom >>Major0009@aol.com >>USA >> >> >>==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== >>. >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > >==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== >. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

EH is not that big a place that the postman won't know where the church is. If you get access to birth records for it , I have been looking for 3 years for birth of Hugh Phillips somewhere between 1730 - 1750 ish ?? Bryan Phillips -----Original Message----- From: Major0009@aol.com <Major0009@aol.com> To: ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 03 November 2002 14:08 Subject: [HEF] Jeffreys >Could someone please help me with the address for St. Michael's church in >Ewyas Harold.I have many family members that were buried their in the 1700 >and mid 1800. > >Thanks Tom >Major0009@aol.com >USA > > >==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== >. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Christine, I found this on the 1851 census index for Hereford. WALL John 46 Burford 2040 46b WALL Rachael 48 Burford 2040 46b Chris --- CGDerbygirl@aol.com wrote: > Hi Everyone > > I have just joined this list, and was wondering if > there may be anyone with > connections to the family that I am researching. Up > until now my main > interests, have been in Derbyshire and > Staffordshire. > > According to the 1881 census, my great grandfather x > 2, JOHN WALL was born in > Hereford, abt 1808, he was 73 on the 1881 census. > The earliest census > information, that I have for him, is the 1841 for > Staffordshire, where he is > listed with his wife Rachel SHELDON, who was born in > TIPTON, in > Staffordshire. > I have looked on the IGI, and found two possible > JOHN WALL's > 1-----born 23 May 1808.Ryeford-parents:-John and > Hester > 2-----chr 31 July 1808, Kinnersley-parents:- John > and Ann. > > Would love to hear from any one who may have > connections with this family, > Also would someone be able to tell me, if there is > an earlier census for > Hereford than 1841, that I may find John on with his > parents? > > kindest regards > Christine > > researching :- > DERBYSHIRE------GRUNDY,HALL,MARTIN,SEVERN,FOGARTY > NOTTS----------HAYES,CLIFTON,MARLOW,HOUGH > STAFFS--------HALL,WALL,SHELDON > PONTYPRIDD/CILFYNYDD > GLAMORGAN---------TAYLOR,FOX,OLIVER > HEREFORD-----------WALL > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

Hello John, I think it would be a copy he would have obtained when he left school as proof of his age. Chris --- john harris <john.harris16@virgin.net> wrote: > I have a copy of a birth certificate of my > g-g-grandfather. He was born in 1876 and the copy > is dated 15 July 1889 and states that it is a copy > for the Elementary Edition Act. > > Can anyone tell me what this Act was? > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

Are you sure it is not Elementary Education Act. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: john harris <john.harris16@virgin.net> To: ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 03 November 2002 10:31 Subject: [HEF] Elementary Edition Act >I have a copy of a birth certificate of my g-g-grandfather. He was born in 1876 and the copy is dated 15 July 1889 and states that it is a copy for the Elementary Edition Act. > >Can anyone tell me what this Act was? > > >==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== >. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have a copy of a birth certificate of my g-g-grandfather. He was born in 1876 and the copy is dated 15 July 1889 and states that it is a copy for the Elementary Edition Act. Can anyone tell me what this Act was?

Could someone please help me with the address for St. Michael's church in Ewyas Harold.I have many family members that were buried their in the 1700 and mid 1800. Thanks Tom Major0009@aol.com USA

Could some kind person help me to find my Gt Gt Grandfather. His name was James Stinton. James was believed to have been born in Shelsley Beauchamp, but I cannot find anything to confirm this. (Info taken from marriage certificate says SB.). Marriage certificate says he was married to Sarah Clifton on July 2, 1815 in Avenbury, Herefordshire. (Last Summer, I was in England and found this ruined Church - very close to Bromyard, Herefordshire.) Their children were Benjamin (1816), Edward ,(1818), Anne, (1826), Harriet, (1822), James (1825), William (1828), Mary (1831) and John (1833)(my Gt. Grandfather.) James, who was married to Sarah Clifton, died Nov 24, 1842 in Wollaston, Stourbridge. Sarah his widow remarried later to a David Haslock. She remained in King Street, Wollaston, Stourbridge. David Haslock, must have been a neighbour at the time of her marriage to James. She died in King Street, Wollaston, Stourbridge. I am at a loss where to go next to search for James. Any suggestions would be gratefully received. Others researching this family are also stuck on this James. One lady has James married to a different Sarah (Willett), but I believe her to be wrong. Someone researching Haslock family contacted me and told me about Sarah marrying his ancestor (kindly sending me the marriage certificate with addresses etc.) I really would appreciate some help,even if it is only suggestions as to where to look next. (Have looked at 1881, 1861 census', have been to Hereford and Worcester GROs and found little to help me there - but I may have been looking in the wrong areas.) I enjoy reading all the interesting and very informative emails. Keep smiling, Joan.(Wet and raining Houston - glad of the cool weather though) P.S. Children of James & Sarah: Benjamin, Edward both born Stanford on Teme, Edward married Elizabeth Pope and lived in Stourbridge. Anne born in Eastham m William Pearce, James married Mary Pope lived in Stourbridge. William born in Stanford, Mary born in Shelsley Beauchamp, married William Bourns, lived in Stourbridge. John born perhaps in SB. married Jane Bond lived in Stourbridge. P.P.S. Have received some of ADA Stinton's research of the Stinton Families in UK. I have added her lists of Births, Deaths and Marriages to my own collection.(1905 GRO Collection) Next I plan to put all the FTs on my software program, Family TreeMaker. She had collected quite a few over the years. I do not have ANY PICTURES and very few certificates from ADA's collection. I will not promise anything, but should a Stinton researcher read this email, I may have some information about their Stinton Family in UK in that collection. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ENG-WORCESTER-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 2:02 AM Subject: ENG-WORCESTER-D Digest V02 #329

Could someone check the 1861 census for John Gough Brick - born March 1836 His marriage certificate (London), of Feb. 1861 gives his address as 3 High Street, Hereford - a grocer Hi first son was born in Hereford in 1862, so they should be there... I hope, I hope. I'm not sure of the date of the 1861 census, but I'm hoping his wife Emma Marie Newson is with him by the time it was taken. Emma is one of my "brick walls" (no pun intended) and her birthplace would be a huge help. Thanks very much, Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com

The Herefordshire Family History Society re-published last year 'A History of The Mansions and Manors of Herefordshire', orginally by Rev. Charles J. Robinson. We have a few copies left for sale at £15-00 inc postage to anywhere in the world. First come, First Served Anyone interested contact; Brian Harris at b.w.harris@btinternet.com Phil Bufton] Vice Chairman Herefordshire FHS www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs

Hi Everyone I have just joined this list, and was wondering if there may be anyone with connections to the family that I am researching. Up until now my main interests, have been in Derbyshire and Staffordshire. According to the 1881 census, my great grandfather x 2, JOHN WALL was born in Hereford, abt 1808, he was 73 on the 1881 census. The earliest census information, that I have for him, is the 1841 for Staffordshire, where he is listed with his wife Rachel SHELDON, who was born in TIPTON, in Staffordshire. I have looked on the IGI, and found two possible JOHN WALL's 1-----born 23 May 1808.Ryeford-parents:-John and Hester 2-----chr 31 July 1808, Kinnersley-parents:- John and Ann. Would love to hear from any one who may have connections with this family, Also would someone be able to tell me, if there is an earlier census for Hereford than 1841, that I may find John on with his parents? kindest regards Christine researching :- DERBYSHIRE------GRUNDY,HALL,MARTIN,SEVERN,FOGARTY NOTTS----------HAYES,CLIFTON,MARLOW,HOUGH STAFFS--------HALL,WALL,SHELDON PONTYPRIDD/CILFYNYDD GLAMORGAN---------TAYLOR,FOX,OLIVER HEREFORD-----------WALL

Hi Listers, Please could SKS point me in the right direction :o) This is the 1881 Census for my husband's Lewis ancestors. Address - Whitbn Court Yard, Whitbourne, Hereford John LEWIS - Head - M - 29 - Gardener Dom Sert - Norton, Hereford, England Harriet LEWIS - Wife - M - 24 - Linton, Hereford, England John W. LEWIS - Son - 5 - Scholar - Whitbourne, Hereford, England George LEWIS - Son - 4 - Whitbourne, Hereford, England Alice G. LEWIS - Daur - 1 - Whitbourne, Hereford, England Q. I would like to find John Lewis's birth circa 1852 so please could you tell me which Registrar's Office I need to write to for to obtain a certificate for 'Norton'? Thank you in advance, Vanda.

My g g grandparents were William and Mary Ann MONKLEY/MUNKLEY. They lived in Michaelchurch Escley and William was a schoolmaster when their daughter Hannah was baptised in May 1852. I am having difficulty confirming which William Monkley/Munkley is my ancestor as there are quite a number - each one of about the correct age seems to have married a Mary too! If anyone can answer any of the following questions or offer any advice, I would love to hear from you - Are there likely to be school records, possibly for Michaelchurch, which may help me? Has anyone got a William and Mary Ann which I can eliminate? Many thanks Mal

Could SKS help me out with information. I have been researching the Jefrey's family in Ewyas Harold for some time and I believe their is a group of the family buried at St. Michael's cemetery from 1700 to mid 1800. Is their a record of burials for this period? Also if I wrote to St. Michael's do you think they would help me with the Jefrey's family their. Thanks Tom

Hello Please could somebody advise me on the following: I have found the Field Message Book of my Grandfather ( GEORGE WILLIAMS- born in Eign Rd, Hereford on 28 March 1879) that he used during the WWI Battle of the Somme. There are about 68 names of gunners etc listed but only 12 have their Service number listed. There are lists of stores and equipment as well as locations and target ranges etc. Could anyone suggest who would be interested in this info and whether there is a web site available where I could find out more information on the RFA? Jeff

Is there some kind soul who could possibley do a look up in the 1861 CENSUS. I have no address but it was in the Parish of Lingen and they lived at Birtley. I am looking for a BRADLEY family, John and Catherine, James, Jane and William although I think that William might have bee married to a Sarah Brunt from Leintwardine. Nearly all the bRADLEY'S were related so I woulf be grateful for any information. Jean

Hello James (wherever you are). The baptism entry in St Martin's, Hereford, parish register on 29 November 1812 reads :- Elizabeth, daughter of Ann DUGGAN. (Half a loaf.................?) Gordon Evans Herefordshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Evans" <Blorenge@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: [HEF] Elizabeth Duggan, Hereford City > Dear List, > > The IGI states that on November 29th 1812 in the parish church of St. Martin in Hereford City, an Elizabeth DUGGAN was baptised. Oddly, the IGI record does not include the names of any parents. This child is almost certainly an ancestor of mine so I'd be very grateful if anyone could help out with the names of her parents as recorded in this entry of baptism in the registers. She married Richard Phillips in Marden parish church in 1833. > > Best wishes > James > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >