The Baggott (Bagard) family were in Ashperton and Tarrington in the 1500-1700's. I am descended from one there. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: <JacquiMWhite@aol.com> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: [HEF] Baggott > Mary Ann Baggott Christened 4th January 1835 Stretton Grandison, Hereford, > England. > Father John Baggott > Mother Sarah? > This information is from the IGI on the LDS site. Batch number C391355 > Is anyone connected to the above people. If so would you get in touch. I > would like to know Mary Ann Baggot's mother Sarah's maiden name and also > where they came from. I am told John Baggott was a Farmer. Mary Ann Baggott > married Thomas Moss born Ledbury 1838. The marriage was in Much Cowarne in > 1855 > Sincerely, Jacqui White > > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Phil Bufton wrote:- >>There is a index of gamekeepers available for consultation, but not available on internet, perhaps someone will have to hand the federation publication 'Specialist Indexes' which lists it<< I'd filed this email address away in my "in might come in useful one day" file - Gamekeeper database <DolinaClarke@compuserve.com> I haven't tried it myself. Good luck. Best regards, Linda Hansen Always interested in ANY occurrences of GOMERY/GOMMERY/GOMRY and GUMERY/GUMMERY/GUMRY GOM(M)ERY/GUM(M)ERY One Name Study (GOONS #3034) Email: gomery@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gomery

Greetings from a warm New Zealand, I am fairly new to this list and wonder if someone can help me with the Haynes family I am looking for the family of William Haynes b 1833 Bodenham, he m Sarah Adams, 1853. They had a son, George,b 1868,also in Bodenham. Can anyone help me with Williams parents please Thanks Phyllis

Hello Diane, This is them on the 1861 census Chris 1861 census index for Radnorshire Enumeration district of Presteigne RG9:4232 HEF Coombe Cottage /f34/p12 Thomas Price H M 41 ag lab RAD Glascombe Cottage /f34/p12 Mary W 38 RAD Michaelchurch & C William S 9 HEF Pembridge Charles S 4 HEF Pembridge George S 6 HEF Pembridge Aaron S 1 RAD Cascob Mary Williams M/L M 63 HEF Brilley --- lizzy johansen <lizzy.johansen@btinternet.com> wrote: > Whilst I have not succeeded in tracing the marriage > of my > g.g.grandparents, Thomas PRICE & Mary (WILLIAMS) > prior to l851, I now > have a more complete family for them thanks to the > l87l Census entry > where I have found them living at Holms Marsh, > Lyonshall. > > Thomas PRICE, 51, Lab., b. Radnor, Glascomb > Mary PRICE (b. WILLIAMS), 47, b. Radnor, > Michaelchurch > William, son, l8, lab., b. Hef., Pembridge > Charles, son, l4, b. Hef., Pembridge > Aaron, son, l2, b. Radnor, Glascomb > Samuel, son, l0, b. Radnor, Presteigne > > I know they also had 2 other sons George, b. l854 > and Thomas, b. l858. > > Charles, born l856, was my great grandfather. > George (b. l854) married > widow Jane CLEE (b.DUGGAN) and Samuel (b. l86l) > married Emily PRICE - > his brother's step-daughter - and they emigrated to > Canada, but I have > no further information on William, Aaron or Thomas. > The names are so > common on the l88l Census, and birthplaces > inconsistent, that it is > impossible to be sure about them. > > Back in l85l Thomas and Mary were living with Mary's > parents, Joseph & > Mary WILLIAMS, at the Forge in Pembridge. From the > above census it > would appear they moved from Pembridge to Radnor ca. > l858. The > information that their youngest son, Samuel, was > born in Presteigne > may lead to my finally tracking them down on the > l86l Census. > > I have always assumed that Thomas and Mary married > shortly before the > l85l Census...the earliest child I have for them is > William, b.l853... > however, it is possible that, given her age, Mary > had been married > before and that she was a widower when she married > Thomas....perhaps > that's why their marriage has been so difficult to > find! They had a > "nursing child", Lewis WHITE, b. Norton, Radnor, > l846, living with them > at Pembridge in l85l....If he were a step-son, he > would have been called > such, wouldn't he? > > I'd be grateful for any thoughts.... > > Diane Johansen > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

Whilst I have not succeeded in tracing the marriage of my g.g.grandparents, Thomas PRICE & Mary (WILLIAMS) prior to l851, I now have a more complete family for them thanks to the l87l Census entry where I have found them living at Holms Marsh, Lyonshall. Thomas PRICE, 51, Lab., b. Radnor, Glascomb Mary PRICE (b. WILLIAMS), 47, b. Radnor, Michaelchurch William, son, l8, lab., b. Hef., Pembridge Charles, son, l4, b. Hef., Pembridge Aaron, son, l2, b. Radnor, Glascomb Samuel, son, l0, b. Radnor, Presteigne I know they also had 2 other sons George, b. l854 and Thomas, b. l858. Charles, born l856, was my great grandfather. George (b. l854) married widow Jane CLEE (b.DUGGAN) and Samuel (b. l86l) married Emily PRICE - his brother's step-daughter - and they emigrated to Canada, but I have no further information on William, Aaron or Thomas. The names are so common on the l88l Census, and birthplaces inconsistent, that it is impossible to be sure about them. Back in l85l Thomas and Mary were living with Mary's parents, Joseph & Mary WILLIAMS, at the Forge in Pembridge. From the above census it would appear they moved from Pembridge to Radnor ca. l858. The information that their youngest son, Samuel, was born in Presteigne may lead to my finally tracking them down on the l86l Census. I have always assumed that Thomas and Mary married shortly before the l85l Census...the earliest child I have for them is William, b.l853... however, it is possible that, given her age, Mary had been married before and that she was a widower when she married Thomas....perhaps that's why their marriage has been so difficult to find! They had a "nursing child", Lewis WHITE, b. Norton, Radnor, l846, living with them at Pembridge in l85l....If he were a step-son, he would have been called such, wouldn't he? I'd be grateful for any thoughts.... Diane Johansen

Mandy /list There is a index of gamekeepers available for consultation, but not available on internet, perhaps someone will have to hand the federation publication 'Specialist Indexes' which lists it Phil Bufton Vice Chairman Herefordshire FHS www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mandy W" <mandyw@ecclerigg.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: [HEF] GOODE and large estates > I too have gamekeepers in Herefordshire from the mid1800s to early 1900s, > especially around Bredwardine, Peterchurch, Shobdon, St Margarets and > Winforton so I too would be very interested in knowing of estates and > landowners who are likely to have employed gamekeepers and woodsmen. > > MTIA > > > Mandy in Windermere > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have a newspaper article written at the time of my uncle's death (George Powell, born 1899 in Rostherne, Cheshire) which adds fuel to a family story that I am trying to prove (or not as the case may be). George's father, Charles Henry Powell, was a gamekeeper and, as the story goes, when George was about 9 year old he was a gun bearer for Edward VII when he visited a country estate. Here is where the story gets muddy. The family said the estate was in Cheshire but the recently discovered newspaper article states that the property may have actually been owned by King Edward VII and been at Stanford on Tyne in Worcestershire. With the aid of my computer atlas I have discovered a Stanford on Teme but nothing that resembles "on Tyne". Can anyone on the list tell me a) whether Edward VII owned property around 1909 at Stanford on Teme or anywhere else in the area or another possibility b) are there any large estates that might have hosted a royal visitor at a shoot (supposedly Grouse...). I am rather hoping to try and track down employment records or some such to prove that my grandfather worked at such a place. Once again MTIA Mandy in Windermere

Hi Everyone, Does anyone have any news on when Genfair might re-open? With the HEF FHSoc subs coming up for renewal the squeeze is on. Best regards, Linda Hansen Always interested in ANY occurrences of GOMERY/GOMMERY/GOMRY and GUMERY/GUMMERY/GUMRY GOM(M)ERY/GUM(M)ERY One Name Study (GOONS #3034) Email: gomery@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gomery

Greetings from New Zealand. I am trying to find out more about the James family of Foy and the Gorle Family of Little Marcle. Joseph James, born Foy 2nd Jan 1802 was my 3xgreat grandfather, he m Lydia Gorle 5 Nov 1826, at Bassaleg, Mon. We have recently been told that there is a family register at Bassaleg, which says that William James was the father of Joseph James ? Could someone tell me the best way to find out about these two families. Thanks Phyllis Pearson nee Robinson formerly of Newport Mon, Wales.

Does anyone have Margaret Eliza Symonds on their tree. She is shown on 1881 census as being 28 years old born in Newtown, Hereford. She was married to Thomas M Saycell at St Martin's Hereford on 20/11/1875 and leased his burial plot in South Australia in 1908 but no record of her being buried with him. Anyone throw any light please, Maureen

> Mandy - You may already have been told of Whitehouse Estate St Margarets Hereford - the Wood family owned it and also Wilmaston Estate Peterchurch Hereford not sure who owned this but I think Goodwins did at one time - can 't think for now the one in Bredwardine but I suppose Moccas Estate is not so far away from there - hope this helps Regards Denise Lloyd ps and of course Whitfield Estate covers Thruxton Allensmore and that area the Clives owned this estate

Dear Listers, I have recently received informtation that one of my great-aunts in Hereford may have become a nun. Can anyone help with informaiton about the local Orders and how I might find out about her? Many thanks. Janet

Re-posting my interests. Edward Yarranton (Yarrington) b 1776 Withington Edward Yarrington b. 1735 Pudlestone, m. 1775 Withington, d. poss. Humber - Spouse Elizabeth South ?? John Yarranton b. 1707 Grendon Bishop, m. 1735 Pudlestone, d. Poss 1753 Burford Salop - Spouse Margaret James ?? Jon Yarranton b. Abt. 1669 Grendon Bishop, m. Abt 1695 Grendon Bishop, d Abt 1712 Grendon Bishop - Spouse Esther ?? John Errington b ??, m. ??, d. 1710 Grendon Bishop - Spouse Joyce ?? Mick Gurling Proud to be working on the FREECEN Project see our website at http://freecen.rootsweb.com All E-Mail sent is scanned for viruses before sending.

What a great story - I'm very pleased for you and it will keep me going!! Nicola in London Researching MERRICK/BAUGH/HULLETT/PYE in Herefordshire (Kingstone, Thruxton, Kilpeck, Allensmore, Much Dewchurch) > -----Original Message----- > From: Mandy W [SMTP:mandyw@ecclerigg.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:21 PM > To: > Subject: [HEF] Success at Last (15 years brick wall) - Powell family > > I thought that fellow listers might appreciate a success story. > > My father told me he came from game-keeping stock in Yorkshire, he was the > youngest of 10 and that his father was Charles Powell and his mother Alice > (nee Burnside(s)). In the early 70s I took my first tentative steps in to > the world of research and I set out to find out Dad's family. > > I eventually managed to track down the birth entry for Charles Henry Powell > and from that discovered that his parents were Charles Powell and Hannah nee > Verril. As Dad had told me, Grandfather had been born in Yorkshire and his > father was a gamekeeper. You can therefore imagine my surprise when I > purchased a copy of the marriage certificate of Charles and Hannah to see > that they were married in Mansell Lacy, Herefordshire. To add insult to > injury the name of Charles' father was unreadable. > > I was pretty much a total novice in the world of family history and it took > several months of staring at the certificate to realise that Charles' father > wasn't called Jim or Tom, as I had first thought, but that the Registrar had > used the accepted abbreviation, Wm. I then began a systematic search of all > the William Powells in and around Mansell Lacy. This stage should have been > simple until I discovered how many William Powells there are living on the > Welsh borders! > > Try as I might, I couldn't find the connection and I am ashamed to say that > around 1987 I gave up on the Powell side and concentrated instead on my > mother's side of the family. > . > Thanks to the wonders of modern technology and e-mail in particular, last > year I was able to "discover" 2 distant cousins - one in Canada who had > managed to track down the illusive William and a few months later was put in > contact with another in South Wales (thank you Gordon Evans!). Since then > our tree has grown "like Topsy" and we now have an impressive list of > ancestors; siblings, offspring etc., not to mention a wide variety of > occupations ranging from generations of gamekeepers, masons, sawyers/ > carpenters, tailors and a Royal Marine who served on the Royal Yacht of the > time, the Victoria & Albert. We are back to the mid 1700s with the family > living in Shobdon. > > We have unearthed more questions than answers, but that is the joy of this > hobby. The most important thing is, never give up hope and don't forget to > put your interests on every list you can - it certainly paid off with us! > > Mandy in Windermere > > > > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.

My cousin recently visited the village of Shobdon where some of our family originated and attempted to get a photo of the parish church - however it is surrounded by scaffolding.... don't suppose anyone out there has a photo of the church do they? Mandy in Windermere

I thought that fellow listers might appreciate a success story. My father told me he came from game-keeping stock in Yorkshire, he was the youngest of 10 and that his father was Charles Powell and his mother Alice (nee Burnside(s)). In the early 70s I took my first tentative steps in to the world of research and I set out to find out Dad's family. I eventually managed to track down the birth entry for Charles Henry Powell and from that discovered that his parents were Charles Powell and Hannah nee Verril. As Dad had told me, Grandfather had been born in Yorkshire and his father was a gamekeeper. You can therefore imagine my surprise when I purchased a copy of the marriage certificate of Charles and Hannah to see that they were married in Mansell Lacy, Herefordshire. To add insult to injury the name of Charles' father was unreadable. I was pretty much a total novice in the world of family history and it took several months of staring at the certificate to realise that Charles' father wasn't called Jim or Tom, as I had first thought, but that the Registrar had used the accepted abbreviation, Wm. I then began a systematic search of all the William Powells in and around Mansell Lacy. This stage should have been simple until I discovered how many William Powells there are living on the Welsh borders! Try as I might, I couldn't find the connection and I am ashamed to say that around 1987 I gave up on the Powell side and concentrated instead on my mother's side of the family. . Thanks to the wonders of modern technology and e-mail in particular, last year I was able to "discover" 2 distant cousins - one in Canada who had managed to track down the illusive William and a few months later was put in contact with another in South Wales (thank you Gordon Evans!). Since then our tree has grown "like Topsy" and we now have an impressive list of ancestors; siblings, offspring etc., not to mention a wide variety of occupations ranging from generations of gamekeepers, masons, sawyers/ carpenters, tailors and a Royal Marine who served on the Royal Yacht of the time, the Victoria & Albert. We are back to the mid 1700s with the family living in Shobdon. We have unearthed more questions than answers, but that is the joy of this hobby. The most important thing is, never give up hope and don't forget to put your interests on every list you can - it certainly paid off with us! Mandy in Windermere

I too have gamekeepers in Herefordshire from the mid1800s to early 1900s, especially around Bredwardine, Peterchurch, Shobdon, St Margarets and Winforton so I too would be very interested in knowing of estates and landowners who are likely to have employed gamekeepers and woodsmen. MTIA Mandy in Windermere

unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <ENG-HEREFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: ENG-HEREFORD-D Digest V03 #17

Hi everyone. Still me, still here. Lots of new people around, so I thought I would give it a go. My search is of the surname "Waring" spelled several different ways. Are there any newbies out there that have found a connection to the Waring lines? Contact me off list please. Any oldbies like me? Found a bit of Waring somewhere? Let me know. Thanks God bless, Renee Waring Group Owner www.smartgroups.com/groups/WaringFamily

GOODE & HUSBANDS in Herefordshire. I know that these families are connected but as yet have failed to find the link. The link of these families was early 1900s but probably after 1905. Any help would be gratefully received. Look forward to hearing from you. Thanks in advance. Deb