Hello again Duncan (still "wherever you are!"). I can confirm that the LDS did transcribe Jane SCAFFOLD's baptism details correctly from the Mordiford Parish Register, the only additional information being address The Clouds and father's occupation labourer. This looks as though it might be dad - also from the Mordiford Baptisms Register :- 18 August 1813. John, son of James and Sarah SCAFFOLD of Checkley, labourer. And the family in the 1851 Census, from the references kindly supplied by Gerald Cooke :- 1851 Census Herefordshire Swillgrove, Mordiford. John SCAFFULL, head, 37, lath cleaner, HEF Mordiford. Jane, wife, 36, domestic duties, born Dirty Stretton. Jane, daughter, 9, HEF Mordiford. Sarah, daughter, 7, HEF Mordiford. Emmerly, daughter, 4, HEF Mordiford. John, son, 1, HEF Mordiford. I can well understand people being reluctant to reveal over the internet precisely where they live, but if your going to request SKS look-ups on a dedicated mailing list it really does assist the "SKS" if you give your approximate geographical location - even if it's only to say whether or not you're in the UK. Besides, it's only good manners, surely. You wouldn't write a "snail-mail" letter to someone without putting your address at the top, would you? Regards Gordon Evans Herefordshire UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Elliot" <fourkids@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:20 AM Subject: [HEF] Gladwin-Caffold > Hi - > > I wonder if anyone would be able to help me on this one. I am trying to > track down information on a couple: William Gladwin (or Gladding) and Jane > Caffold. They were both illiterate, which meant that the spelling of > William's surname was inconsistent: George has the surname Gladding on his > birth certificate, although he was known as Gladwin. > > William was a farm labourer, who seems to have moved around Hereford quite a > lot. His 1881 census return suggests he was born around 1828 in Presteign > and Jane was born around 1839 in Mortisford. They had at least 5 children: > Chas., ca 1869, Mortisford > Thos., ca 1872, Westhyde > Emily, 27 Jul 1875, Abbey Dore > George, 19 Jun 1876, Abbey Dore > Louisa, ca 1879, Much Dewchurch > > Unfortunately I can't track down Jane's birth certificate (William was born > before compulsory registration), nor their marriage certificate - assuming > they were married. > > If anyone has any leads, or suggestions as to where I could get some, I'd be > most grateful. > > Regards, > > Duncan Elliot > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dear Listers, I am trying to pinpoint the birth of my grandmother in Hereford. I have ( from the GRO) a birth in June quarter 1875, but Hereford Registry has a person of the same name in the March Quarter. The birth date was March 26th. Is it possible for the birth to have been registered in Hereford soon after it happened, but for the registration to have been shown in the GRO later? Trying not to assume too much! Thanks. Janet

Has anyone on the list bought a map via Old Maps? I ask because I am seriously interested in getting a copy of the Shobdon area, covering both Canterbury Plantations and Easthampton but the "thumbnail" doesn't appear to cover both of these and as I experience some serious technical problems with this site, have not been able to ascertain whether I can enlarge the map area. Advice please would be most welcome. Mandy, still in Windermere, grey, misty, damp but the birds are singing fit to bust and I guess they think Spring is coming!

Good day, Researching my mother's gr. grandmother's side from England. Would it be possible for some kind person to lookup the following marriage: ELIZABETH COLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 28 FEB 1854 Bromyard, Hereford, England To PHILIP MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 28 FEB 1854 Bromyard, Hereford, England I am trying to prove that Elizabeth Cole is the sister to Charles Cole who married Ann Eason August 7, 1859 in Broomyard. On Charles Cole marriage records it listed witness as Philip Mitchell and Elizabeth Mitchell. Charles father is listed as John Cole Shoemaker. Also looking for age of Elizabeth and Philip and place of birth. Regards William Meier

Good day, Researching my mother's gr. grandmother's side from England. Would it be possible for some kind person to lookup the following marriage: ELIZABETH COLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 28 FEB 1854 Bromyard, Hereford, England To PHILIP MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 28 FEB 1854 Bromyard, Hereford, England I am trying to prove that Elizabeth Cole is the sister to Charles Cole who married Ann Eason August 7, 1859 in Broomyard. On Charles Cole marriage records it listed witness as Philip Mitchell and Elizabeth Mitchell. Charles father is listed as John Cole Shoemaker. Also looking for age of Elizabeth and Philip and place of birth. Regards William Meier

----- Original Message ----- From: roswoods To: ENG-HEREFORD-L-@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 5:50 PM Subject: 1871 census look up.s can do Can do look ups in the following parishes for the 1871 census. Canon Pyon Birley Kings Pyon Sarnsfield Stretford Wormsley. Cheers Rose.

Diane, Isn't it a small world, when i was little we lived at Ledgemoor, my mothers Aunt, Mary Jane Herbert (Nee Chandler) lived at Orchard Cottage, Victoria Road, and when she died we moved from Hereford to live at Ledgemoor. Victoria Road is the road which comes down the bank and meets at a junction about 50 yards from the chapel. As i recollect it was not a chapel then, but was used as a workshop for repairing vintage cars. Anyway, i am going on Wednesday morning to Weobley, the Local History Society are having an Open Morning to show off the re-vamped Museum and research facilities at their place in Back Lane, Weobley, i will see if i can find about Ledgemoor Chapel while i am there. Phil Bufton ----- Original Message ----- From: "lizzy johansen" <lizzy.johansen@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 12:12 AM Subject: [HEF] LEDGEMOOR Chapel? > My g.grandmother Susannah PRICE was born in l847. Her birth certificate > tells me she was born at Weobley however I have been told there is no > baptism entry for her there. Her brother William, born three years > later always says he is born at Ledgemoor and I was wondering whether > there would have been a chapel there at that time which might explain > the two missing baptisms. I have located baptisms for all of Susannah's > remaining siblings so I doubt that these two would have been "missed > out". > > Can anyone advise? > > Many thanks > Diane Johansen > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Can anyone connect with this HALL Family?, This is all the information I have, if you know more, please contact me. Maybe some kind person has 1851 Worcester Census. Descendants of John Hall 1 John Hall b: 1837 Kyre, Worcester F1: Farmer 400 acres Broom Lane, Eardisland in 1881 .. +Elizabeth ? b: 1847 Gladestry, Radnor . 2 Elizabeth Clara Hall b: 1867 Broome Lane, Eardisland, Hfds . 2 Alice Mary Hall b: 1869 Broome Lane, Eardisland, Hfds ..... +Valentine Hillier Parsons b: 1869 Slough Farm, Caerwent,Mon m. June 1898. F1: Ironmonger, Gloucester - 1901 census Best Regards.....Hazel

My g.grandmother Susannah PRICE was born in l847. Her birth certificate tells me she was born at Weobley however I have been told there is no baptism entry for her there. Her brother William, born three years later always says he is born at Ledgemoor and I was wondering whether there would have been a chapel there at that time which might explain the two missing baptisms. I have located baptisms for all of Susannah's remaining siblings so I doubt that these two would have been "missed out". Can anyone advise? Many thanks Diane Johansen

Thank you Phil Perhaps at long last I will now be able to find Park Gate,the home of my ggrandfather when he was a gamekeeper. Many thanks Mal ---------- >From: "philbufton" <philbufton@whsmithnet.co.uk> >To: ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [HEF] Park Farm and/or Park Wood in Peterchurch >Date: Sat, Feb 8, 2003, 1:29 am > > Mal, > > See http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov.uk/ the Sites & Monuments Records web > site from Herefordshire Archeology, there is a searchable database on-line > of the Herefordshire SMR and there are four or five entries for Park Farm > Peterchurch, along with a grid reference for you to find it on a map. > > Phil Bufton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mal Hale" <mjhale.art@virgin.net> > To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:15 PM > Subject: [HEF] Park Farm and/or Park Wood in Peterchurch > > >> Hello all. >> >> Does anyone know where Park Farm or Park Wood were in Peterchurch, > please? >> I can't see them on a modern map and am unable to open the Old Maps site > on >> my mac. >> >> Many thanks >> Mal >> >> >> ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== >> . >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Is anyone working on Phillips (or Philips) lines in Herefordshire in the 1600s or 1700s? Or any connection between the Leigh and Phillips families? Thanks. Mary Jane Phillips-Matz

Dear James...Hope this makes your day. Could your Mary Meredith be my g.g.g.aunt? You wrote: My ancestor Mary Meredith (wife of James Meredith) was living in Gilwern (in Llanelly, Breconshire) with her daughter Margaret at the time of the 1851 census. Margaret, along with her sister Sophia, was baptised in Brilley parish church in 1822. Another daughter was baptised there in 1825. Other than these three baptisms I have no other records of this family. I cannot find James and Mary's marriage and I can't find them on the 1841 census. James Meredith died before 1851 because Mary is shown as a widow. Her birthplace is given as Abeydore (i.e. Abbeydore) in Herefordshire and her age as 73 which indicates a date of birth circa 1778. This seems a little early and I'm not convinced that it's very accurate (it would have made her 44 when her first known child was born and 47 when her last known child was born). Furthermore, it does not fit in with the possible marriage details that I have for James and Mary in the 1800-37 marriage index. The 1817 marriage of a James Meredith ! and Mary Jones has been discounted which leaves a marriage in Monnington-on-Wye and one in Hereford, both in the 1810's. The brides in these marriages were a Mary Cox and a Mary Price respectively. Having checked the Abbeydore baptism register from 1772-1780 there were no baptisms of a Mary Price or a Mary Cox. Seeing as one of the above marriages has to be that of 'my' James and Mary, it seems likely that the 1851 census age is inaccurate and that Mary's baptism is to be found somewhere in the later Abbeydore records, I just hope that there are not records of both a Mary Price and Mary Cox! Can anyone here help? Just discounting say the Monnington couple (by establishing that they had a separate family) would be a great help because it would leave only the Hereford couple, but how would an Abbeydore girl have married in Hereford in ended up in Brilley? I've checked both marriage entries, the Monnington records don't say what parish the parties were of (only BTs survive) and! the Hereford record lists them both as 'of this parish' which doesn't help a great deal. Help! I was interested in your query regarding the COX family of Monnington-on-Wye My g.g.grandmother was Anne COX, daughter of Thomas COX and Catharine (WATKINS). She was baptised at Monnington on Wye on 25.3.l8l0. Anne was the youngest of 9 known children commencing with Thomas who was baptised in l790. The interesting thing is that there is a record of an illegitimate daughter, Mary, born to Catharine before her marriage to Thomas COX. She was baptised as follows: l788 Jan. 27th, Mary, d/o [K]atherine WATKINS, however, if she was brought up by Thomas and Catherine then she was possibly known as Mary COX. I haven't verified it but I have found a marriage for a James MEREDITH and Mary COX, who were married by Banns, on Jul. l2th l8l2 at Monnington. There is then one baptism to this couple: l4 Oct l8l2 James, son of James and Mary MEREDITH Could it be that James and Mary were still in Monnington by l84l? Looking forward to hearing from you. Diane Johansen

Mal, See http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov.uk/ the Sites & Monuments Records web site from Herefordshire Archeology, there is a searchable database on-line of the Herefordshire SMR and there are four or five entries for Park Farm Peterchurch, along with a grid reference for you to find it on a map. Phil Bufton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mal Hale" <mjhale.art@virgin.net> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: [HEF] Park Farm and/or Park Wood in Peterchurch > Hello all. > > Does anyone know where Park Farm or Park Wood were in Peterchurch, please? > I can't see them on a modern map and am unable to open the Old Maps site on > my mac. > > Many thanks > Mal > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Mandy / List Canterbury appears to be small area in the west of Shobdon, according to 'A History of Shobdon' by Ivor Pfuell ISBN 0-95247900-1 originally published in 1994 by Ivor Pfuell. There are several references to 'Canterbury' and one in particular to 'Canterbury Cottages' which relates to the sale of some land on 26th July 1919, four lots totalling 32 acres were sold off, one being The Warden (a field next to Canterbury Cottages) All four lots were bought by William Laver of Elm Lodge, Leominster for £850. On a personal note, my family, including my grandfather Thomas Bufton were found in the 1891 census at Canterbury cottages. Phil Bufton Vice Chairman Herefordshire FHS www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mandy W" <mandyw@ecclerigg.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: [HEF] Another location request - apology > Apologies to the list - due to extreme cold this morning my fingers weren't > working and I did a typo - the place should have read Canterbury....... > > Can anyone tell me whether Caterbury, as listed below, in the parish of > Shobdon is an actual place or possibly property name - I have checked OS and > Autoroute with no success. > > 1849 Nov 11 Hannah daughter of William and Ellen Powell, Shobdon, sawyer > 1851 Oct 26 Ellen daughter of William and Ellen Powell, Canterbury, parish > of Shobdon, labourer > 1854 May 7 Henry son of William and Ellen Powell, Shobdon, gamekeeper > > Mandy > > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear List, My ancestor Mary Meredith (wife of James Meredith) was living in Gilwern (in Llanelly, Breconshire) with her daughter Margaret at the time of the 1851 census. Margaret, along with her sister Sophia, was baptised in Brilley parish church in 1822. Another daughter was baptised there in 1825. Other than these three baptisms I have no other records of this family. I cannot find James and Mary's marriage and I can't find them on the 1841 census. James Meredith died before 1851 because Mary is shown as a widow. Her birthplace is given as Abeydore (i.e. Abbeydore) in Herefordshire and her age as 73 which indicates a date of birth circa 1778. This seems a little early and I'm not convinced that it's very accurate (it would have made her 44 when her first known child was born and 47 when her last known child was born). Furthermore, it does not fit in with the possible marriage details that I have for James and Mary in the 1800-37 marriage index. The 1817 marriage of a James Meredith ! and Mary Jones has been discounted which leaves a marriage in Monnington-on-Wye and one in Hereford, both in the 1810's. The brides in these marriages were a Mary Cox and a Mary Price respectively. Having checked the Abbeydore baptism register from 1772-1780 there were no baptisms of a Mary Price or a Mary Cox. Seeing as one of the above marriages has to be that of 'my' James and Mary, it seems likely that the 1851 census age is inaccurate and that Mary's baptism is to be found somewhere in the later Abbeydore records, I just hope that there are not records of both a Mary Price and Mary Cox! Can anyone here help? Just discounting say the Monnington couple (by establishing that they had a separate family) would be a great help because it would leave only the Hereford couple, but how would an Abbeydore girl have married in Hereford in ended up in Brilley? I've checked both marriage entries, the Monnington records don't say what parish the parties were of (only BTs survive) and! the Hereford record lists them both as 'of this parish' which doesn't help a great deal. Help! Best wishes James Phillips-Evans

Apologies to the list - due to extreme cold this morning my fingers weren't working and I did a typo - the place should have read Canterbury....... Can anyone tell me whether Caterbury, as listed below, in the parish of Shobdon is an actual place or possibly property name - I have checked OS and Autoroute with no success. 1849 Nov 11 Hannah daughter of William and Ellen Powell, Shobdon, sawyer 1851 Oct 26 Ellen daughter of William and Ellen Powell, Canterbury, parish of Shobdon, labourer 1854 May 7 Henry son of William and Ellen Powell, Shobdon, gamekeeper Mandy

I have another location request for the list please. Can anyone tell me whether Caterbury, as listed below, in the parish of Shobdon is an actual place or possibly property name - I have checked OS and Autoroute with no success. 1849 Nov 11 Hannah daughter of William and Ellen Powell, Shobdon, sawyer 1851 Oct 26 Ellen daughter of William and Ellen Powell, Canterbury, parish of Shobdon, labourer 1854 May 7 Henry son of William and Ellen Powell, Shobdon, gamekeeper MTIA Mandy in Windermere

Hello all. Does anyone know where Park Farm or Park Wood were in Peterchurch, please? I can't see them on a modern map and am unable to open the Old Maps site on my mac. Many thanks Mal

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Duncan, The only William GLAD* (where * is a wildcard) on the HEF 1851 Census index aged between 21 and 25 is: Surname Fore Name Age Parish Piece Folio District GLADWIN William 48 Bodenham 1981 295a Leominster GLADWIN Mary 47 Bodenham 1981 295a Leominster GLADWIN William 22 Bodenham 1981 295a Leominster GLADWIN George 16 Bodenham 1981 295a Leominster GLADWIN James 12 Bodenham 1981 295a Leominster The only Jane *CAFF* under 15 was Surname Fore Name Age Parish Piece Folio District SCAFFULL John 37 Mordiford 1977 231b Hereford SCAFFULL Jane 36 Mordiford 1977 231b Hereford SCAFFULL Jane 09 Mordiford 1977 231b Hereford SCAFFULL Sarah 07 Mordiford 1977 231b Hereford SCAFFULL Emmerley 04 Mordiford 1977 231b Hereford SCAFFULL John 01 Mordiford 1977 231b Hereford Source: Herefordshire FHS 1851 Census index on CD, published August 2001. To obtain additional information incl. relationships, occupations, birthplace it will be necessary to view the original census on microfilm. So dependant on what Gordon finds out when he check the PR, this may be the one you are looking for. Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Elliot" <fourkids@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:20 AM Subject: [HEF] Gladwin-Caffold Hi - I wonder if anyone would be able to help me on this one. I am trying to track down information on a couple: William Gladwin (or Gladding) and Jane Caffold. They were both illiterate, which meant that the spelling of William's surname was inconsistent: George has the surname Gladding on his birth certificate, although he was known as Gladwin. His 1881 census return suggests he was born around 1828 in Presteign and Jane was born around 1839 in Mortisford. They had at least 5 children: Duncan Elliot