I have found in a deed reference to 'Howton Grove in the Parish of Hender Church in the County of Hereford'. I cannot find Hender Church anywhere. Can anyone help, please. Michael Williamson mijan@zetnet.co.uk

Michael, that will probably be Kenderchurch Phil Bufton Vice Chairman Herefordshire FHS www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Williamson" <mijan@zetnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: [HEF] Hender Church > I have found in a deed reference to 'Howton Grove in the Parish of Hender > Church in the County of Hereford'. I cannot find Hender Church anywhere. Can > anyone help, please. > > Michael Williamson > mijan@zetnet.co.uk > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 26/02/2003 10:00:47 GMT Standard Time, ENG-HEREFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Can anyone tell me what the County of Radnor covered. Hi Lizzie, Radnor covered an area starting West of Hay in HEF, extending northwards past Presteigne and Knighton and westwards past Rhayadergwy (Rhayader) so much further North and West of Monmouth. I've looked on a map from 1850 and cannot find your Clinow in either county. Try susbstituting "Llyn" for "Clin" assuming a phonetic spelling. My guess is that it will be found West of Kington, HEF where there are a few villages with a Llyn... beginning. Contact me off list if you would like the maps e-mailed to you. David M

Elizabeth Darby may have misread "clinow" when CLIRO was written. Cliro (home of Parson Kilvert ) is just across the Wye bridge from Hay. Coming from England it's just past the "Croeso" sign which welcomes us to Wales. Lovely place too

At last, with a newly arrived birth certificate for my husbands grandmother, I can start piecing together this branch of the family. Tracing the family of Edward KINSEY. Born 1849 (re 1881 census) at Little Hereford. Question. Does anyone hold an indexed linked 1851 census, that can easy access any information on this guy for me? Hoping the 1851 would give a family unit !! Thank you for your time and help given and hope nobody minded me asking. Regards - Chris in Canada

> Good afternoon Sydney time, > Reposting: > Researching SANTON - Joseph b. Herefordshire 1795 d. Penrith NSW. Australia 8.9.1876. > Stole potatoes, tried 25.3.1828, arrived in Aust in 1829 as a married convict. > Married Hannah SIMMS on 14.12.1835 at Castlereagh nr. Penrith NSW - Hannah was also known as Anne SIMMONDS - was a dairy main from Shropshire Eng. She was also a convict tried at Shrewsbury on 15.3.1832 for Arson, arrived Sydney 1833. > Her arms were heavily tattooed, showing what appears to be: 2RIMB, ft, 1hb t, hmp on upper left arm. > They had at least 3 children: John b. 1836, Many A. b. 1837, Susan b. 1854. > Look forward to hearing any news of this family. > > Regards, > Joan. Sydney. Australia. > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

> Good Evening, (Sydney Time) Reposting: > > I am still clutching at straws with my research into our Jones family. My g.g/father had the unfortunate name of William Henry JONES, I do realize there were,are and will be millions of them out there. From his D/C he was born in Welsh Town, Wales, to Joseph Henry Jones, soldier and Margaret (?) , came to Australia c. 1860, (have not found a shipping record of this yet), occupations: gardener, farm hand and coachman. Married Elizabeth (Young) Perry in 1872, died in Balmain, Sydney, NSW in 1910. > > Kind regards, > Joan. Sydney. Australia. > > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Can anyone tell me what the County of Radnor covered. I am aware that it existed temporarily somewhere on the Welsh/Hef border, but now have two marriages in the family from Clinow, one in 1813 from Clinow County of Hef, and one in 1830 from Clinow Co.of Radnor. I cannot find Clinow on a map, but feel it is somewhere close to Monmouth, is that correct ?

Hi Dave, Phil and List In message <035d01c2dc3c$fa31a060$0100a8c0@mshome.net>, Dave Newbury <David@davejo.freeserve.co.uk> writes >Hi > >Pour cold water on what?? > >Rod is not asking for transcribers, > >Just mails to test the water on how many want to commit to owning a copy of >1861 on CD The proposed project here at ACDB is to digitise the original census enumerators' books and produce them on CD. As a not for profit organisation the only thing we need to be reasonably sure of is that we can cover the initial costs, that is the cost of the films (*not* cheap!) and the time taken to scan them, make master CD's and to produce an index of *places*. As an indication the last county we released was Lincolnshire and I personally created the index for every place in the county plus a full street index for the City of Lincoln..... Working solidly every day it took me a fortnight to go through each one of 23,000+ pages. Herefordshire would probably not take so long, I admit. It would be nice to have included a full index of names too but that would have taken me a *little* longer to produce <g>. More on that to follow below..... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "philbufton" <philbufton@whsmithnet.co.uk> >To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:00 AM >Subject: [HEF] CD Books > > >> List, >> >> Saw the message about the possible census project for Herefordshire, >Shropshire & Monmouthshire. >> >> Not wanting to pour cold water on a good idea, but perhaps you might like >to consider a couple of things. >> >> If you really want to help to transcribe some census for Herefordshire, >then why not volunteer yourself to the 1871 census transcription project at >Freecen, see http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~slkarner/FreeCen/ for details, >this project has been running for about 12 months or so now and if you look >at the web page you will see that there has been some good progress, but >they always need help. This has the full backing of the Herefordshire FHS. Absolutely, yes. The FreeCen Project is one that Archive CD Books supports wholeheartedly. We currently loan CD's of individual pieces for some counties to their transcribers. It's great to hear that Hereford FHS support them too. >> It would be a pity to have 2 projects on Herefordshire census, neither >having enough vols to complete the work. As I mentioned, ours is not an indexing project, simply one to make the original images available to anyone who wants them at a reasonable cost. >> >> With our 1901 census project nearing completion, we will inevitably be >looking for a new project for our team and the 1861c is obviously a possible >option for us to do, Herefordshire that is, we would not do Shropshire or >Monmouthshire as it is not our area of interest. What would be ideal is for all three organisations, Archive CD Books, Herefordshire Family History Society and FreeCen, to work together on this to the common good. With all of our currently available census CD's we make a point of stating that users should actively support the county's FHS and (where possible) purchase the indexes from them. Nottinghamshire FHS is a good example, they actually sell our CD's themselves (for *less* than we do!) and they also sell their own index if required. If someone comes to us wanting a name index, we point them to NFHS. Cornwall FHS even allowed us to include their 1861 index on the CD's, with the only condition being that you couldn't print the index from the CD... Fine, no problem, everybody's happy! Other FHS's have been less co-operative, but that is their decision and we *totally* respect that. We would still urge buyers of the CD's to buy the indexes from that society. Incidentally and totally away from the subject, after that wonderful fortnight indexing Lincs I rewarded myself with a day at Herefordshire Record Office, something that happens increasingly rarely these days, and finally managed to link my own London and Middx ancestors to the Herefordshire Dewsall's in Wigmore and Leinthall Starkes. A real breakthrough at last! Unfortunately the last Herefordshire DEWSALL died in 1867 so the 1861 census won't help me that much, but I'd still love to see it get done for other folks. Best wishes Rob Dewsall -- ARCHIVE CD BOOKS - A not-for-profit project to reproduce old books on CD for genealogists and family historians, and pay for the restoration of books in record offices, libraries etc. Mailing list : CDBOOKS-L@rootsweb.com (for discussions) Weekly News : CDBOOKS-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com (weekly announcements & news) E-mail : enquiries@archivecdbooks.org Web : http://www.archivecdbooks.org

Is there a record of the 1841 census for Hereford or parts of. I am looking for microfiche for the Crasswall Clodock area Hoping LInda

hi all has anybody got this family in their tree ? from the 1901 census :- Hereford Richard Bethell b. 1856 Staunton-on-wye age 44 occupation : Police Officer Matilda Bethell (nee Gardiner) b.1850 London age 52 and their children:- Alfred W Bethell b. 1873 ( named as Alfred W Gardiner on 1881 census) Cloddock, age 28 occupation : Town Postman John Henry Bethell b. 1879 Cloddock, occupation : Assistant Librarian. Married Maude Gertrude Beavan 1903 Hereford Kate E Bethell b. 1881 Hereford, occupation : Milliner Clara F Bethell b. 1884 Hereford, occupation : Draper's Assistant. Richard Bethell was the son of John Bethell b. 1831 Staunon-on-wye and Harriet Bethell (nee King) b. 1826 Best wishes Kathy Weaver-Gore kathwgore@eurobell.co.uk

Dear Elizabeth, Coincidentally I have just being writing to another EMBREY researcher who was connected through my ADDISS's so had this all at hand . Two ADDISS's married an EMBREY 1871 census for Kilpeck Middle Ridgeway dwelling Edwin ROWBREE head Mar 33 Farmer of 97 acres employing 1 man born Orocp in 1891 census he called himself ROWBERRY Harriot " wife Mar 30 farmers wife Kentchurch Charles EMBRY servant U 21 Farm bib? Monmouthshire Grosmont This above entry is very very clear and no doubt as to Charles spelling of EMBRY 1871 Vowchurch Catharine EMBREY head widow 70 Preston on Wye 1871Grosmont William EMBRY head 73 retired farmer Garway 1871 Garway Hill area of Orcop just to show a family of HANBURY's with the same names as the EMBREY family. Elizabeth HANBURY head widow 41 farmer of 15 acres little Dewchurch John " son U 17 Kilpeck Charles son 11 scholar Garway Emma daur 5 scholar St Weonards Elizabeth daur 3 St Weonards George son 9 months Orcop Orcop Church dwelling Thos EMBREE head widow 55 labourer Much dewchurch John EMBREE son U 25 lab Much Dewchurch Maria JAY sister Widow 61 annuitant " Thos JAY nephew U 25 Imbecile " Augusta JAY niece 13 " looking into 1851 notes I have Treewadoe? Orcop David EMBRY 40 farmer and his family sorry didn't note them down. 1851Village Vowchurch William TURNER wid 67 deaf Glos Breakup? Catherine EMBRY sister in law wid 50 Preston on Wye.** see her again in 1861 I have a few pages of census 's at home, I printed them off the film's I hired at LDS . I found another interesting one : Orcop 1851 Moat Mange? Samuel EMBRY head 35 Much Dewchurch Ann EMBRY wife 48 Orcop And on the IGI Maria EMBREY married William JAY 14 Dec 1826 Dew Church which matches up with the family I gave you above:. Hope these will help fill a gap in your tree. Regards Vicky in New Zealand.

Hi Pour cold water on what?? Rod is not asking for transcribers, Just mails to test the water on how many want to commit to owning a copy of 1861 on CD Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "philbufton" <philbufton@whsmithnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-HEREFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:00 AM Subject: [HEF] CD Books > List, > > Saw the message about the possible census project for Herefordshire, Shropshire & Monmouthshire. > > Not wanting to pour cold water on a good idea, but perhaps you might like to consider a couple of things. > > If you really want to help to transcribe some census for Herefordshire, then why not volunteer yourself to the 1871 census transcription project at Freecen, see http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~slkarner/FreeCen/ for details, this project has been running for about 12 months or so now and if you look at the web page you will see that there has been some good progress, but they always need help. This has the full backing of the Herefordshire FHS. > It would be a pity to have 2 projects on Herefordshire census, neither having enough vols to complete the work. > > With our 1901 census project nearing completion, we will inevitably be looking for a new project for our team and the 1861c is obviously a possible option for us to do, Herefordshire that is, we would not do Shropshire or Monmouthshire as it is not our area of interest. > > Phil Bufton > Vice Chairman > Herefordshire FHS > www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

List, Saw the message about the possible census project for Herefordshire, Shropshire & Monmouthshire. Not wanting to pour cold water on a good idea, but perhaps you might like to consider a couple of things. If you really want to help to transcribe some census for Herefordshire, then why not volunteer yourself to the 1871 census transcription project at Freecen, see http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~slkarner/FreeCen/ for details, this project has been running for about 12 months or so now and if you look at the web page you will see that there has been some good progress, but they always need help. This has the full backing of the Herefordshire FHS. It would be a pity to have 2 projects on Herefordshire census, neither having enough vols to complete the work. With our 1901 census project nearing completion, we will inevitably be looking for a new project for our team and the 1861c is obviously a possible option for us to do, Herefordshire that is, we would not do Shropshire or Monmouthshire as it is not our area of interest. Phil Bufton Vice Chairman Herefordshire FHS www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs

Good Evening, (Sydney Time) I am still clutching at straws with my research into our Jones family. My g.g/father had the unfortunate name of William Henry JONES, I do realize there were,are and will be millions of them out there. From his D/C he was born in Welsh Town, Wales, to Joseph Henry Jones, soldier and Margaret (?) , came to Australia c. 1860, (have not found a shipping record of this yet), occupations: gardener, farm hand and coachman. Married Elizabeth (Young) Perry in 1872, died in Balmain, Sydney, NSW in 1910. Kind regards, Joan. Sydney. Australia.

Good afternoon Sydney time, Researching SANTON - Joseph b. Herefordshire 1795 d. Penrith NSW. Australia 8.9.1876. Stole potatoes, tried 25.3.1828, arrived in Aust in 1829 as a married convict. Married Hannah SIMMS on 14.12.1835 at Castlereagh nr. Penrith NSW - Hannah was also known as Anne SIMMONDS - was a dairy main from Shropshire Eng. She was also a convict tried at Shrewsbury on 15.3.1832 for Arson, arrived Sydney 1833. Her arms were heavily tattooed, showing what appears to be: 2RIMB, ft, 1hb t, hmp on upper left arm. They had at least 3 children: John b. 1836, Many A. b. 1837, Susan b. 1854. Look forward to hearing any news of this family. Regards, Joan. Sydney. Australia.

Hi All, I don't recollect seeing this one being publicised on the lists recently, but it could prove useful. It is the Internet Library of Early Journals at http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/ilej/ It comprises images of the pages of 18th & 19th journals such as the Gentleman's Magazine (which has births, marriages & deaths notices), Notes and Queries, etc. Each run comprises at least 20 volumes. However, there are a few points to note:- 1. The project has now come to an end (presumably as no more funding is available) and volumes that are missing are not going to be added. :-( However, you should be able to view them at the Newspaper Library in Colindale, London. 2. I didn't have much luck using their Search engine on either the name LONGMORE or the term Deaths, though I knew that there was a death announcement for a LONGMORE on page 292 of the 1736 issue. 3. The Browse button allows you to brwose through a title by year, month and page, but without this salient information it would be a long slow job. However, there is a multi-volume book called Musgrave's Obituary which contains the references to thousands of pre-1800 obituaries and death notices. Both Birmingham and Devon Libraries have a set (and probably several other libraries too). However, for those of you who would like a personal copy, Rod Neep has put them onto a CD-ROM and details can be found at http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/acatalog/Archive_CD_Books_Obituaries_149.html If you want to have a play, just see if you can find this one:- Musgrave's Obituary entry says: ROWBRAY, John, cupbearer to K. Jas. II, 16 August 1733, GM 438 (The GM stands for Gentleman's Magazine) Have fun, Mo (The LONGMORE Pages at www.msheppard.com)

> I am trying to put together a family tree for a friend who will be 80 years > in April. Her surname was EMBRY. I have her birth cert b1923 Orcop, > Kentchurch. I also have her parents marriage cert William Embery age 30 > Labourer Much Dewchurch, Hereford. His father was Charles Embery. Labourer. > married on 8th April 1901 at St Devereux, Hereford. to Mary Ann Pritchard > 23 Treville, Hereford. Her father was Thomas Pritchard Labourer. We think > William`s mother was called Sarah. > I cannot find them on the 1901 census. Hi Elizabeth, I think this might be them in the 1901 based on the information you've given: Charles Emboy 69 Herefordshire Much Dewchurch Much Dewchurch Estate Labourer Susan Emboy 68 Kilpick Much Dewchurch Much Dewchurch William Emboy 30 Herefordshire Much Dewchurch Much Dewchurch Estate Labourer If you do an advanced person search, using the additional place details, leave the admin county blank, just put in 'Much Dewchurch' as parish, and obviously the surname spelt as above, then you'll find them. I assume you've found the Pritchards, but in case you don't have the full details yet, here they are (It's the only Mary of about the right age in the area, so I'm assuming it's the correct one. I'm currently transcribing the Kentchurch Sub-district) Hereford RD, Kentchurch Sub-D, Parish Treville RG13 2484 Folio 89a, Page 7 Schedule No 37 First Name, Surname, Rel., M.Status, Age, Occupation, , B. Parish, B. County Thomas, PRITCHARD, Head, M, 54, Farm Cattle man, Worker, Kilpeck, HEF Emma, PRITCHARD, Wife, M, 50, , , Clifford, HEF Mary A, PRITCHARD, Dau, S, 24, , , Treville, HEF George, PRITCHARD, Son, S, 21, Farm Waggoner, Worker, Treville, HEF Elizabeth, PRITCHARD, Dau, S, 15, , , Treville, HEF Thomas, PRITCHARD, Son, S, 13, , , Treville, HEF Edwin, PRITCHARD, Son, , 11, , , Treville, HEF Clara, PRITCHARD, Dau, , 9, , , Treville, HEF Emily, PRITCHARD, Dau, , 6, , , Treville, HEF (RG13 2484 Folio 89b, Page 8) Edith, PRITCHARD, Dau, , 3, , , Treville, HEF Myra, PRITCHARD, G'dau, , 8, , , Abbeydore, HEF Next door are also Pritchards, so I'll include them just in case William is connected to Thomas Schedule No 38 William, PRITCHARD, Head, M, 44, Woodman Labourer, Worker, St Devereux, HEF Elizabeth, PRITCHARD, Wife, M, 69, , , St Devereux, HEF Hope that helps, Best wishes, Barbara Griffiths Coventry UK

Hi all Is there sks with access to the 1841 census who could let me have any details of the following GWATKIN family probably in St Weonards Walter Gwatkin Sarah his wife Daniel 1821 Paul 1822 Peter 1824 Mary 1825 Elenor 1830 Jemima 1832 Lucy 1835 Diolch yn fawr/Thanks very much Terry ap Hywel Caerphilly, Wales www.terry-ap-hywel.info/family/ Member - Glam, Mon, Hereford FHS Researching FURNELL Rhymney MON 19c GWATKIN St Weonards HEF 18/19c HUBBARD Norwich NFK 18/19c Liverpool LAN to Aston WAR 20c JONES Troedyraur CGN 18c to Rhymney MON 19/20c JONES Pembroke Dock PEM 19c JORDAN/JORDEN STS 19c LLOYD Sully GLA to Rhymney MON 19c POWELL Orcop/St Weonards HEF 18c to Blaina MON 20c via Llantrisant GLA POWELL Pembroke Dock PEM 18c to Penarth GLA 20c SKYRME Skenfrith MON 18/19c WHISTANCE Cwmyoy MON 18c to Ebbw Vale MON 19c

I am trying to put together a family tree for a friend who will be 80 years in April. Her surname was EMBRY. I have her birth cert b1923 Orcop, Kentchurch. I also have her parents marriage cert William Embery age 30 Labourer Much Dewchurch, Hereford. His father was Charles Embery. Labourer. married on 8th April 1901 at St Devereux, Hereford. to Mary Ann Pritchard 23 Treville, Hereford. Her father was Thomas Pritchard Labourer. We think William`s mother was called Sarah. I cannot find them on the 1901 census. The Embery`s were all from Much Birch, Much Dewchurch, Orcop and Kentchurch area`s. Any help on these names would be much appreciated. Thanks Elizabeth Hereford.