Hello List, from Dunedin New Zealand. In the1861 census John (the Inn Keeper) and Catherine HARRY were living at the Inn with their children. I would like to know about the Inn itself and were there any records kept of Inn keepers. Thank you all Ernie Parker.

Ernie, There is a book called 'The Pubs of Ross & South Herefordshire' by Heather Turley published by Logaston Press ISBN 1 873827 52 0. This contains references to the Old Harp at Hoarwithy. At the time of the publication the Author was the owner of the Old Harp as a private home I assume rather than as a Pub. Gerald -----Original Message----- From: william ernest parker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [HEF] Old Harp Inn Hello List, from Dunedin New Zealand. In the1861 census John (the Inn Keeper) and Catherine HARRY were living at the Inn with their children. I would like to know about the Inn itself and were there any records kept of Inn keepers. Thank you all Ernie Parker

I am looking for information on the Cooper, Clifton and Jones families who lived in Little (Middle) Bogmarsh, Holme Lacy, Hereford. My wife is descended from William Harvey Cooper born 25 May 1852, and died 29 July 1894 in Lake Co, TN. The family story goes that he was born in Wales and moved to Holme Lacy at a young age. He had a falling out with his father and at the age of about 17 years old, he stowed away on a ship to the USA. In a petition for citizenship dated 2 Nov 1877, he stated that he had resided in the US for 5 yrs, in the state of Tennessee one year before the petition and that he was a minor resident 3 years before he became of age (21). A number of years ago, my wife and I were able to travel across the big pond for a short visit. There were several places that we planned to visit. I guess that we didn't really do our homework because we arrived in Hereford during a festival (Three Choirs was in Hereford, that year) and the record office was closed. We spent a couple of nights in a delightful B&B in Dinedor and we were able to explore the area around Holme Lacy. We located and photographed the house known as Little (Middle) Bogmarsh and after visiting several churches, we located St. Cuthbert's Church and the gravesites of the Coopers. We were not able to find any of sign of the Jones family and they may have moved out of the area sometime after 1915. In a letter that Katie A Cooper Jones wrote to her brother, Wm H Cooper, in 1915, She said that her son Reggie was a carpenter, her son Will was a gameskeeper and a third was a farmer. Does anyone out there have any idea on how I might go about tracking these folks either forward or backward in time? Thanks for your time, Lee Ferguson This is what I know about the family: 1. JOHN COOPER b Abt. 1787 d 09 Nov 1870 married ALICE [--?--] b Abt. 1788 d 27 Aug 1863. Both buried: St. Cuthbert's, Holme Lacy, Herefordshire, England Children of JOHN COOPER and ALICE [--?--] are: i. JOHN2 COOPER, b. Abt. 1813; d. 18 Apr 1878. Burial: St. Cuthbert's, Holme Lacy, Herefordshire, England ii. WILLIAM COOPER, b. Abt. 1815; d. 05 April 1884. Generation No. 2 2. WILLIAM2 COOPER (JOHN1) b Abt. 1815 d 05 April 1884 married CATHERINE CLIFTON 07 May 1846 in Holme Lacy, Hereford, England. She was born Abt. 1823 d 23 Nov 1897. Both buried: St. Cuthbert's, Holme Lacy, Herefordshire, England Notes for WILLIAM COOPER: IGI Record - William COOPER m Catharine CLIFTON on 7 May 1846 in Holme Lacy, Hereford, England http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/HolmeLacy/Littlebury1876.html Extract from Littlebury's Directory and Gazetteer of Herefordshire, 1876-7 LISTS THE FOLLOWING COMMERCIAL RESIDENTS - Holme Lacy, Herefordshire Cooper Elizabeth, shopkeeper Cooper William, farmer, Little Bog marsh Children of WILLIAM COOPER and CATHERINE CLIFTON are: 3. i. WILLIAM HARVEY3 COOPER I, b. 25 May 1852, Wales/England; d. 29 July 1894, Lake Co, TN. 4. ii. KATIE A COOPER Generation No. 3 3. WILLIAM HARVEY3 COOPER I (WILLIAM2, JOHN1) was born 25 May 1852 in Wales/England, and died 29 July 1894 in Lake Co, TN. He married MARY ELLEN (ROELLEN?) SWINDLE 27 September 1877 in Lake Co, TN, daughter of WILLIAM SWINDLE and SARA HALSEY. She was born 01 November 1853 in Crockett Mills, Gibson (now Crockett) Co, TN, and died 16 January 1933 in Lake Co, TN. 4. KATIE A3 COOPER (WILLIAM2, JOHN1) She married [--?--] JONES. Notes for KATIE A COOPER: Her name was probably CATHERINE ALICE. She lived at Little Bogmarsh, Holme Lacy, Herefordshire, England at the time of her mother's death in 1897. She was also living there in 1915 when she wrote a letter to her brother, Wm H Cooper, in the USA. Birth dates of her children are calculated from information contained in her letters to Wm H Cooper. Children of KATIE A COOPER and [--?--] JONES are: i. FREDRICK GEORGE4 JONES, b. Abt. 1888. ii. WILLIAM JOHN JONES, b. 01 February 1890. iii. FLORENCE MAY JONES, b. 12 October 1892. iv. CECIL JAMES JONES, b. 15 February 1894. v. ROBERT SYDNEY JONES, b. 28 November 1896. vi. REGINALD COOPER JONES, b. 24 May 1897. vii. FRANCIS HAROLD JONES, b. 21 July 1899. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 3/9/2006

Ruth, In 1841 there is a John STEPHENS living on his own in St Owns, Hereford aged 58 and with an occupation of Cabinet M(aker) not born in HEF. Reference HO107 433 6 33 35 I hope that helps a little. Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Eschmann [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [HEF] STEPHENS in Hereford Hi List, Pigot's Commercial Directory of Herefordshire shows that John STEPHENS was a Cabinet Maker and Upholsterer in St Owen Street, Hereford, Herefordshire, in 1830 and 1835. His sons, John and Thomas STEPHENS, worked with him in this business as upholsterers. By 1840 another cabinet maker named Francis MORRIS was in business in St Owen Street. John STEPHENS' wife was Anne, and on 20 December 1835 Thomas STEPHENS married Mary Ann WILLIAMS (born at Clyro about 1814) at St Owens, Hereford. If anyone who has access to the 1841 Census for Herefordshire could find any of these people for me I should be extremely grateful. John junior appears in London in 1844, and Mary Ann turns up in London in the 1871 Census. Thanks, Ruth in Hobart, Tasmania

Hi List, Pigot’s Commercial Directory of Herefordshire shows that John STEPHENS was a Cabinet Maker and Upholsterer in St Owen Street, Hereford, Herefordshire, in 1830 and 1835. His sons, John and Thomas STEPHENS, worked with him in this business as upholsterers. By 1840 another cabinet maker named Francis MORRIS was in business in St Owen Street. John STEPHENS' wife was Anne, and on 20 December 1835 Thomas STEPHENS married Mary Ann WILLIAMS (born at Clyro about 1814) at St Owens, Hereford. If anyone who has access to the 1841 Census for Herefordshire could find any of these people for me I should be extremely grateful. John junior appears in London in 1844, and Mary Ann turns up in London in the 1871 Census. Thanks, Ruth in Hobart, Tasmania

There is not very much on Kenderchurch in Mansions & Manors of Herefordshire by Rev Charles D. Robinson originally published in 1872. See http://www.churchplansonline.org/show_full_image.asp?resource_id=07134.tif for a plan of the church after restoration in 1870, http://www.a2a.org.uk/ has a few entries for Kenderchurch, mostly pre 19c though. Looking at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/Kenderchurch/index.html page on Kenderchurch and the attached page http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/Kenderchurch/History1876.html it gives the population in 1861 as 99 and 1871 as 70, i did a quick search of the HFHS 1891 census index of those people living in Kenderchurch in 1891, results of 62 people, only 18 of which were born in the parish. Thinking about the location of the church and it's lack of houses surrounding it, possibly one reason for that may be that it was the site of a now deserted medieval village. See the Sites & Monuments Records site at http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov.uk/saxon_viking/as_hrfds.htm for info on Archenfield. Phil Bufton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Brinkworth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: [HEF] Re Kenderchurch > Hello Maureen, > If I remember correctly,this area falls within the ancient area of Archenfield.I read an excellent book with a multitude of information on the area some years ago,I think it was borrowed from the library.Maybe Phil who has much more knowledge of Herefordshire than myself could enlighten us? > The upcoming Herefordshire Family History Fair could be an excellent place to obtain information.Just another possible line of enquiry. > I have probable PRITCHARD/PROSSER links at St Devereux just on up the road,that I am researching, > Best Wishes, > Malcolm > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hello Maureen, If I remember correctly,this area falls within the ancient area of Archenfield.I read an excellent book with a multitude of information on the area some years ago,I think it was borrowed from the library.Maybe Phil who has much more knowledge of Herefordshire than myself could enlighten us? The upcoming Herefordshire Family History Fair could be an excellent place to obtain information.Just another possible line of enquiry. I have probable PRITCHARD/PROSSER links at St Devereux just on up the road,that I am researching, Best Wishes, Malcolm

Thanks to Phil Bufton for confirming that Kenderchurch graves are as yet unpublished. It is not a big graveyard, and we had no trouble finding our IRELAND graves there, but some trouble however, in reading the oldest. I was hoping someone else may have written down the inscriptions before they were quite so worn. And now, ten years' research later, there are other names I would look for if I were there again. Thanks to Malcolm too for his interesting information on Kentchurch. I am so pleased to know there are others interested in this corner of Herefordshire, which rarely gets a mention on the list. I found my farming forbears in this area appeared in church records for all three parishes - Kenderchurch, Kentchurch and Ewyas Harold, which is not surprising when you look at the geography. The land tax records helped explain it too. Joseph WILLIAMS was the tenant of Shoplands in the village of Ewyas Harold in the 1770s when my gggrandmother Elizabeth Williams was born. From 1789 until his death in 1810, he leased Brooks farm in Kentchurch parish and Elizabeth therefore married in that parish. Her babies were baptised in Kenderchurch, the parish where her husband John IRELAND was born and presumably where she lived after her marriage. Until with her second husband she moved to Spite House (which I think is the same farm as Pistle Brook) in Kentchurch parish . Widowed a seco! nd time, she returned to Kenderchurch to spend her last years in a cottage at Howton with cousins in neighbouring cottages. I'd be pleased to hear from anyone with any knowledge of these people or places. Maureen Robinson.

Sorry Phil, I have clicked on your link as well as clicking on reply with my messages to you but still get them bounced back. I have contacted your AOL postmaster but haven't recieved an answer from them. Sorry about that, Elizabeth

I am trying to trace an ELLEN HANDLEY born abt 1805 at NORTON CANON Hereford. Had son Thomas Handley who married Elizabeth Underwood? September1890 in Hereford. Want to find out who Ellen was married to and her maiden name. Ellen was my Great, Great Grandmother. If anyone can help please. I live in Queensland, Australia and finding it hard to get any more information from here. Thanks Cyndy Hannan

Hello Maureen, Are you talking about Kentchurch Church itself please or the Church situated up on the hill to the left of the A 465 trunk road, going from Abergavenny to Hereford at Pontrilas?If you continue on towards Hereford you will come to Howton by the way. If it is Kentchurch you are talking about,set amongst some beautiful trees on the B 4347 out of Pontrilas going towards Skenfrith and Garway.Then this Church is located almost at the bottom of the drive to Kentchurch Court,which has been owned by the Scudamore family for very many centuries.I would have thought they would have been the largest employer of people in that area at the time period you are researching?. Maybe the Kentchurch name has appeared with the folklore tales about Jack O' Kent and his supposed connections to Kentchurch Court.Indeed their was a recent television programme here in Wales relating to Owain Glyndwr,featuring this Court,showing the insides and interviewing one of the present family. I have read some books about this and also the extremely interesting history of this family,who have played a very important part in our countries history. Just thought this was another suggestion for you, Best Wishes, Malcolm Brinkworth

Thanks to all those who replied to my Kenderchurch question. I too wondered about the tiny church high on the hill, overlooking and so close to the church of Ewyas Harold. With a small population and another church only a mile away, perhaps the curate was only part time. I found several people from Kenderchurch parish buried in Kentchurch (18th century). Does anyone know if the Kenderchurch graves have been transcribed? They do not seem to be on the Herefordshire Monumental Inscriptions site. It seems the parishioners were mainly farmers and farm labourers. My IRELAND family had headstones in Kenderchurch graveyard, even one for their six year old son when he died in 1778, so they must have had some money. They were not mentioned on land tax returns for the parish, so I concluded they were not farming. In trying to puzzle out how they lived, I wondered if they might have had an inn on the Hereford-Abergavenny road, or a haulier business. Has anyone any other suggestions, or comments? Maureen Robinson.

Maureen, Kenderchurch MI's have not yet been transcribed or published as yet. Phil Bufton Vice Chairman Herefordshire FHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBINSON" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: [HEF] Kenderchurch graves > Thanks to all those who replied to my Kenderchurch question. I too wondered about the tiny church high on the hill, overlooking and so close to the church of Ewyas Harold. With a small population and another church only a mile away, perhaps the curate was only part time. I found several people from Kenderchurch parish buried in Kentchurch (18th century). Does anyone know if the Kenderchurch graves have been transcribed? They do not seem to be on the Herefordshire Monumental Inscriptions site. > > It seems the parishioners were mainly farmers and farm labourers. My IRELAND family had headstones in Kenderchurch graveyard, even one for their six year old son when he died in 1778, so they must have had some money. They were not mentioned on land tax returns for the parish, so I concluded they were not farming. In trying to puzzle out how they lived, I wondered if they might have had an inn on the Hereford-Abergavenny road, or a haulier business. Has anyone any other suggestions, or comments? > > Maureen Robinson. > > > ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== > . > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello Maureen Robinson, Your request for information on Kenderchurch aroused my interest, as did some of your surnames of interest. My own particular family research also covers SMITH and WILLIAMS. As far as I can ascertain, Jonas SMITH was a son of William SMITH and Susannah RATHER. He was born 1755 in KINGTON, Herefordshire. Some of his descendants married WILLIAMS, but this was after he move to Radnorshire. Parishes of interest there are Colva, Cregrina, Llanbedr Painscastle, Rhulen. Around the 1900 mark, Mary SMITH now, WILLIAMS, moved back to Herefordshire. They lived at aHOWTON COURT. Mary being the sister of my great grandmother. There arestill descendants there to this day. Another place of interest according to my late grandmother was PONTRILAS. Another sister became a LLOYD, was widowed then married a James WILLIAMS. This couple moved to LLANVEYNOE. I hope I have the spelling correct there. Anyway, that is a start, and I hope it helps a lttle bit. Best regards, Maureen Jenkins Rhondda S. Wales.

Hi Maureen I agree! it certainly was a thinly populated parish. There is no village as such, just a scattering of farms and cottages. There was certainly more people living there in 1841 than in 1901, as by then, there was only 12 households, containing the grand total of 69 residents! I have a branch of my Yeoman's family living at Howton Court during most of the 18th & part of the 19th centuries. A quick look at Littlebury's Directory & Gazetteer for 1876-7 on Genuki gives only 5 commercial residents (most are farmers) and no private residents. On my visits there the church of St Mary's always looks pretty grey and nondescript and I am sure was only erected there because there was a motte & bailey castle built there, probably to keep us marauding Welsh from the cookie jar! Allan ROBINSON <[email protected]> wrote: Is anyone researching family in the parish of Kenderchurch? The paucity of entries in the parish registers and bishop's transcripts makes me think it was a very thinly populated part of Herefordshire. For some years in the 18th century there are no entries at all; for other years there are just two or three. The census records for mid 19th century seem to confirm this. In 1841 there were 15 households recorded in the parish, compared to 82 households in the adjoining parish of Ewyas Harold. Maps show no distinct village at Kenderchurch, though Howton is marked on some 18th century maps. Does anyone know if there was a "village" in Kenderchurch parish, or whether there was perhaps an Inn or coach stopping place? Surnames of interest to me in Kenderchurch are SEABORN, IRELAND, WILLIAMS, CROSS, SMITH, NATION, BARRINGTON. I have a micfofilm on loan at the moment if anyone wants a name checked out. Maureen Robinson, Canberra, Australia. ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== . ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Is anyone researching family in the parish of Kenderchurch? The paucity of entries in the parish registers and bishop's transcripts makes me think it was a very thinly populated part of Herefordshire. For some years in the 18th century there are no entries at all; for other years there are just two or three. The census records for mid 19th century seem to confirm this. In 1841 there were 15 households recorded in the parish, compared to 82 households in the adjoining parish of Ewyas Harold. Maps show no distinct village at Kenderchurch, though Howton is marked on some 18th century maps. Does anyone know if there was a "village" in Kenderchurch parish, or whether there was perhaps an Inn or coach stopping place? Surnames of interest to me in Kenderchurch are SEABORN, IRELAND, WILLIAMS, CROSS, SMITH, NATION, BARRINGTON. I have a micfofilm on loan at the moment if anyone wants a name checked out. Maureen Robinson, Canberra, Australia.

Maureen, Kenderchurch church is a remarkably bleak looking building on top of a bare hill overlooking the Hereford/Abergavenny road. I am not in the least surprised that there are very few inhabitants. There is little to temp one to stop and go up and have a look at it!. Pevsner observes: 'Of ancient features the restoration of 1871 has left hardly anything'[!!] Alec Whitfield from North Herefordshire UK [email protected]

Try http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ Search for Ewyas Harald and then travel eastwards a few frames or else use Grid Ref: 340544,228410 It looks pretty empty except for St Mary's Church. Regards Tom

Dear Phil, I'm sorry but I keep getting my emails to you sent back with this message - I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be be delivered, etc, etc. Regards, Elizabeth George

Hi, whoever is researching Mayo's I have from my transcriptions of Parish records,in the Parish of St Martin,Hereford an Elizabeth Hargist marriage with a William Mayo on the 21 August 1825 hope this helps. Best regards Adam of the Hargest One-Name Study registered with the Guild of One Name Studies 4334 See below http://www.one-name.org/profiles/hargest.html The Hargest / Hergest message board on rootsweb for people interested in the Hargest name the address is at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.hargest